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I've been planning on upgrading my cpu and mb for a while now, and as I recently purchased a 2070 zotac amped, I have been seeing bottlenecking, and have finally decided to make the change,
I use my pc for gaming and school work , currently im using a b450 tomahawk 1700x corsair H100i pro cooler with 4 fans (very overkill) 2070 and 16 gb 3200 mhz RAM alon g with a 1TB ssd, I have a 500$ budget and am considering a 3600x with a gigabyte x570 aorus elite, is this wise? (apologies for any grammar issues as english isn't my first language)
 
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Well , the 3600X should give you better performance in todays games, but you will be loosing 2 cores (and its 2 extra SMT threads) in exchnage. Also keep in mind that you can just pick the R5 3600, unless the price diference is really small then go with the X version.

Some questions that may help me and others to give you our thoughts:

  1. What resolution and refresh rate does your display (monitor) support?
  2. Why changing the mobo? The MSI Tomahawk should be able to handle the R5 3600/X after a BIOS update.
  3. Im guessing the R7 3700X is out of discussion.

In any case here are two great videos for choosing the mobo for your Ryzen 3xxx

Short one:
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMRUhtMs9Ok


Long one (you can skip to a particular mobo using index on the first coomment of the video):
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ti38JS8RuPU&feature=emb_logo


Cheers!
 
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Zeplyn said:
I've been planning on upgrading my cpu and mb for a while now, and as I recently purchased a 2070 zotac amped, I have been seeing bottlenecking, and have finally decided to make the change,
I use my pc for gaming and school work , currently im using a b450 tomahawk 1700x corsair H100i pro cooler with 4 fans (very overkill) 2070 and 16 gb 3200 mhz RAM alon g with a 1TB ssd, I have a 500$ budget and am considering a 3600x with a gigabyte x570 aorus elite, is this wise? (apologies for any grammar issues as english isn't my first language)
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I have r5 3600x with msi b450 tomahawk(not max)and h100i rgb platinum. Works perfectly
 
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RodroX said:
Well , the 3600X should give you better performance in todays games, but you will be loosing 2 cores (and its 2 extra SMT threads) in exchnage. Also keep in mind that you can just pick the R5 3600, unless the price diference is really small then go with the X version.

Some questions that may help me and others to give you our thoughts:

  1. What resolution and refresh rate does your display (monitor) support?
  2. Why changing the mobo? The MSI Tomahawk should be able to handle the R5 3600/X after a BIOS update.
  3. Im guessing the R7 3700X is out of discussion.
In any case here are two great videos for choosing the mobo for your Ryzen 3xxx

Short one:
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMRUhtMs9Ok


Long one (you can skip to a particular mobo using index on the first coomment of the video):
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ti38JS8RuPU&feature=emb_logo


Cheers!
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1.144 hz 24 inch 1080 monitor
2 My mother needs a new pc and my 1700x with the fan that comes with 3600x should be perfect I have a 1060 lying around and an extra 16 gb of ram that when used in my system makes it unstable
3. if I wasn't buying a new mobo it wouldn't be
 
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A few points to ponder:

The 3600X isn't really a good buy over the 3600 as the performance delta is really so very minor. Most people and reviewers said you're paying $50 just for the 'X' when they run comparisons.

That B450 Tomahawk really is an excellent board for any Ryzen 3000 (good even for a 3950X). I'd suggest try to keep it if you are the more demanding computer user.

The Wraithe Spire that comes with 3600x (and especially the Stealth in the case of a 3600) really isn't going to work well on a 1700x and would leave it constantly throttling in heavy workloads or screaming fan speeds to try and contain it. Not a very good idea if SHE is the more demanding computer user.

So, assuming your gaming and school computing is the more demanding I'd suggest keeping the Tomahawk and buying your mom a cheaper board (something like Asrock B450 Pro 4) to fit the 1700x on. With the money saved on the board get the 3700X which comes with a Wraithe Prism model that will work much better with the 1700X.

Just be sure to update the Tomahawk BIOS to Ryzen 3000 compatible before taking the 1700X off it.

Assuming you're talking US dollars, $500 should be more than enough for a 3700X and B450 Pro 4 especially if you catch a new year sale. Possibly enough even to cover an 8GB memory kit in case you find that 16GB kit is simply bad and continues to be unstable.
 
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What kinds of games do you play?

Some games are graphics limited like fast action shooters.
Others are cpu core speed limited like strategy, sims, and mmo.
Multiplayer tends to like many threads.

The i7-1700X has 16 threads and a passmark rating of 14807 with a single thread rating of 1866.
The i5-3600x has fewer threads at 12, but a stronger passmark rating of 20511/2916.

While you will see activity on all threads, that does not mean that they are effectively used.

Try this test:
Experiment with removing one or more cores/threads. You can do this in the windows msconfig boot advanced options option.
You will need to reboot for the change to take effect. Set the number of threads to less than you have.
This will tell you how sensitive your games are to the benefits of many threads.
If you see little difference, your game does not need all the threads you have.

ryzen comes mostly overclocked, and the X suffix chips are better binned.
Something around 4.3 perhaps, and, not on all cores.

If it turns out that you are mostly core speed limited and not thread limited, look at intel K suffix processors which can usually do 5.0 on all cores.
 
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geofelt said:
What kinds of games do you play?

Some games are graphics limited like fast action shooters.
Others are cpu core speed limited like strategy, sims, and mmo.
Multiplayer tends to like many threads.

The i7-1700X has 16 threads and a passmark rating of 14807 with a single thread rating of 1866.
The i5-3600x has fewer threads at 12, but a stronger passmark rating of 20511/2916.

While you will see activity on all threads, that does not mean that they are effectively used.

Try this test:
Experiment with removing one or more cores/threads. You can do this in the windows msconfig boot advanced options option.
You will need to reboot for the change to take effect. Set the number of threads to less than you have.
This will tell you how sensitive your games are to the benefits of many threads.
If you see little difference, your game does not need all the threads you have.

ryzen comes mostly overclocked, and the X suffix chips are better binned.
Something around 4.3 perhaps, and, not on all cores.

If it turns out that you are mostly core speed limited and not thread limited, look at intel K suffix processors which can usually do 5.0 on all cores.
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Didnt know intel had i5 3600x and i7 1700x
 
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With 3200MHz ram, there's no point getting an x570, they really aren't anything different except for beyond 3200MHz and pcie4. So unless you plan on eventual upgrade to 3600/3733/3800MHz ram, just do as advised, keep your board and get a cheapo B450 for mom that'll handle the 1700x.

For cpu for you, 3700x, keep your cooler and drop the Wraith on the 1700x. Everybody happy this way.

Or wait until the B550 mobo's get dropped and determine if that's a warranted change with possible ram upgrade.
 
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Karadjgne said:
With 3200MHz ram, there's no point getting an x570, they really aren't anything different except for beyond 3200MHz and pcie4. So unless you plan on eventual upgrade to 3600/3733/3800MHz ram, just do as advised, keep your board and get a cheapo B450 for mom that'll handle the 1700x.

For cpu for you, 3700x, keep your cooler and drop the Wraith on the 1700x. Everybody happy this way.

Or wait until the B550 mobo's get dropped and determine if that's a warranted change with possible ram upgrade.
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I just swapped the "unsatable" ram with the "stable" ram and it works perfectly on its own at the advitised speed, So im going to guess that my motherboard cant handle 32gb of 3200 mhz RAM without being unstable,
When would you assume the b550s will be released?
 
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geofelt said:
What kinds of games do you play?

Some games are graphics limited like fast action shooters.
Others are cpu core speed limited like strategy, sims, and mmo.
Multiplayer tends to like many threads.

The i7-1700X has 16 threads and a passmark rating of 14807 with a single thread rating of 1866.
The i5-3600x has fewer threads at 12, but a stronger passmark rating of 20511/2916.

While you will see activity on all threads, that does not mean that they are effectively used.

Try this test:
Experiment with removing one or more cores/threads. You can do this in the windows msconfig boot advanced options option.
You will need to reboot for the change to take effect. Set the number of threads to less than you have.
This will tell you how sensitive your games are to the benefits of many threads.
If you see little difference, your game does not need all the threads you have.

ryzen comes mostly overclocked, and the X suffix chips are better binned.
Something around 4.3 perhaps, and, not on all cores.

If it turns out that you are mostly core speed limited and not thread limited, look at intel K suffix processors which can usually do 5.0 on all cores.
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I mainly play Rust (facepunch) and COD Modern Warefare (remake)
 
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drea.drechsler said:
A few points to ponder:

The 3600X isn't really a good buy over the 3600 as the performance delta is really so very minor. Most people and reviewers said you're paying $50 just for the 'X' when they run comparisons.

That B450 Tomahawk really is an excellent board for any Ryzen 3000 (good even for a 3950X). I'd suggest try to keep it if you are the more demanding computer user.

The Wraithe Spire that comes with 3600x (and especially the Stealth in the case of a 3600) really isn't going to work well on a 1700x and would leave it constantly throttling in heavy workloads or screaming fan speeds to try and contain it. Not a very good idea if SHE is the more demanding computer user.

So, assuming your gaming and school computing is the more demanding I'd suggest keeping the Tomahawk and buying your mom a cheaper board (something like Asrock B450 Pro 4) to fit the 1700x on. With the money saved on the board get the 3700X which comes with a Wraithe Prism model that will work much better with the 1700X.

Just be sure to update the Tomahawk BIOS to Ryzen 3000 compatible before taking the 1700X off it.

Assuming you're talking US dollars, $500 should be more than enough for a 3700X and B450 Pro 4 especially if you catch a new year sale. Possibly enough even to cover an 8GB memory kit in case you find that 16GB kit is simply bad and continues to be unstable.
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https://www.wootware.co.za/gigabyte-b450m-s2h-amd-am4-b450-micro-atx-desktop-motherboard.html Would this suffice for the 1700x?
 
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Zeplyn said:
https://www.wootware.co.za/gigabyte-b450m-s2h-amd-am4-b450-micro-atx-desktop-motherboard.html Would this suffice for the 1700x?
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Good sized heatsink with a lot of fins and it appears to be covering all the Vcore FET's. Don't know what the FET layout is but I'd guess 3 FET's per channel and the typical FET's GB uses that aren't the highest efficiency but also not the worst. So long as you're not planning on heavy overclocking it should work well enough for 1700X and be pretty close to perfect for a 3600 (or even 3700X) later on.

Be aware of 2 DIMM sockets. While that limits the total amount of memory it does make for more stable memory at higher clock speeds and Ryzen 1000 chips need all the help they can get for that. And even so, two memory DIMM's isn't all that bad as 16Gb is easily done with 2x8Gb, probably the most popular memory kit going so also pretty cheap.

I also note that GB opted for 2 x PS2 ports instead of the usual 2 x USB ports. If you use PS2 for keyboard and mouse that's great, but not many of us do nowadays so you lose 2 back panel USB ports. That's not going to be so bad if you use a case with a lot of front panel ports and/or get a USB adapter bracket to connect to the headers provided on the board. Also, the PCIe x1 slots provided are actually going to be use able, even with a GPU installed. That's refreshing.
 
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drea.drechsler said:
Good sized heatsink with a lot of fins and it appears to be covering all the Vcore FET's. Don't know what the FET layout is but I'd guess 3 FET's per channel and the typical FET's GB uses that aren't the highest efficiency but also not the worst. So long as you're not planning on heavy overclocking it should work well enough for 1700X and be pretty close to perfect for a 3600 (or even 3700X) later on.

Be aware of 2 DIMM sockets. While that limits the total amount of memory it does make for more stable memory at higher clock speeds and Ryzen 1000 chips need all the help they can get for that. And even so, two memory DIMM's isn't all that bad as 16Gb is easily done with 2x8Gb, probably the most popular memory kit going so also pretty cheap.

I also note that GB opted for 2 x PS2 ports instead of the usual 2 x USB ports. If you use PS2 for keyboard and mouse that's great, but not many of us do nowadays so you lose 2 back panel USB ports. That's not going to be so bad if you use a case with a lot of front panel ports and/or get a USB adapter bracket to connect to the headers provided on the board. Also, the PCIe x1 slots provided are actually going to be use able, even with a GPU installed. That's refreshing.
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https://www.amazon.com/hz/wishlist/ls/61DHP1F7RF5B?ref_=wl_share this is my build so far, the things that cant change are the cpu ram and gpu and cooler and memory rest is up to debate, what do you think?
 
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Zeplyn said:
https://www.amazon.com/hz/wishlist/ls/61DHP1F7RF5B?ref_=wl_share this is my build so far, the things that cant change are the cpu ram and gpu and cooler and memory rest is up to debate, what do you think?
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The motherboard in that list isn't the same as the motherboard you showed in previous post... https://www.wootware.co.za/gigabyte-b450m-s2h-amd-am4-b450-micro-atx-desktop-motherboard.html . The one in the list is A320 with no heatsinking on FET's. Definitely not as good a board as the first one.

Also, I've never seen a 1700X and it's cooler priced separately, that's suspicious as the cooler should come with the processor unless it's a used processor in which case should be cheaper IMO. And, for $50 I have to think you could find an even better cooler.
 
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