PLEASE HELP RX 580 or GTX 1060

[laptopuserr]

I'm planning on building a gaming pc.
I already purchased the following parts:
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/sfpGpb

I also bought this IPS FreeSync Monitor:
LG 23MP68VQ-P

Starting with GTX 1060:

Gigabyte:

1) https://pcpartpicker.com/product/RKYWGX/gigabyte-geforce-gtx-1060-6gb-6gb-aorus-xtreme-edition-video-card-gv-n1060aorus-x-6gd

2) https://pcpartpicker.com/product/p6Wrxr/gigabyte-geforce-gtx-1060-6gb-6gb-gaming-6g-rev-20-video-card-gv-n1060g1gam-6gd-r2

MSI:

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/JVWrxr/msi-geforce-gtx-1060-6gb-gaming-x-video-card-geforce-gtx-1060-gaming-x-6g

Now for the RX 580:


1) https://pcpartpicker.com/product/6ZmxFT/msi-radeon-rx-580-8gb-gaming-x-video-card-rx-580-gaming-x-8g

2) https://pcpartpicker.com/product/QvGj4D/gigabyte-radeon-rx-580-8gb-aorus-8g-video-card-gv-rx580aorus-8gd


Which one would you suggest considering the FreeSync Monitor?

 

[laptopuserr]

^ dude , seriously buy the 580 , its almost certain it'll be more future proof if the history of amd vs nvidia gpu's stands true (which it almost certainly will)

The fact you own a freesync monitor makes it even more of a no-brainer !!!!!

Consider yourself lucky you can even get a 580 8gb for the same price as a 1060 , many many people who would 100% have bought a 580/gave been forced to buy the nvidia card because of lack of availability or a massive price difference.

Re ryzen vs Intel 8***

Tech of tomorrow just dropped a 1600x vs 8600k video with benchmarks, albeit with very high end cards.

A surprisingly good result for the ryzen IMO (considering you're looking at $100-120 less in total)

[video="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUg9lJBbRDU&app=desktop"][/video]

I know i checked the review yesterday..Still Intel is a lot better in performance.. Not sure what will happen with mid-range GPU's .. Ryzen still handles really well tho,which is kinda good news .. What is your GPU by the way?

 

[madmatt30]

^ my GPU /s

2 x gtx 970s , an old Asus dc2 280x , just sold another one on that's as running crossfire.

I had a 1060 6gb Asus turbo for 3 weeks but could not bear the noise.

It seemed a good upgrade from the 970 but for the outlay turned out not to be worth it.

Do not base your buying on what I own though , my main rig is an under TV htpc gaming setup in a very small case with stunted airflow

The 970 was a necessary evil for me , before that I owned a 390 & took a performance hit to get lower temps & better efficiency.

In the short term it paid off but the fact is If I still owned that 390 I'd still be maxing settings at 1080p as opposed to just running at high with the 970.

Hence the fact that amd cards age better through generations.

Like Ohio grad mentioned regarding his 7950 still competing with a 1050ti ??

My 280x is the same (just a rebadged 7970/from 2012-2013 ) - will still do 60fps medium settings on GTA v.

A comparitive nvidia card from the same era is nowhere near as strong nowadays.

 

[ohiou_grad_2006]

I just sold the 7950 about a month ago. Wanted to upgrade, but intended to wait. Just got to good of a deal on the RX 480 8gb.

But that 7950 was a holdover from my old fx rig. So was going to wait, but as I said, just got a good deal. 250 for a slightly used card, but it was from a friend's of mine who actually has done tech work in the past. Plus he had bought it from microcenter with a 2 year replacement plan. Still has a good bit of that warranty left to. So if something does happen I'm covered. He just sold it because he went and bought a 1080ti.

 

[madmatt30]

^ I've had 2 x 8gb 580 auros cards on order from Amazon since June now , at the time they were priced at £205 .

I highly doubt they'll ever come back in stock now but I've just left them in the basket in case they do, because if they do they get despatched to me automatically.

 

[laptopuserr]

^ I've had 2 x 8gb 580 auros cards on order from Amazon since June now , at the time they were priced at £205 .

I highly doubt they'll ever come back in stock now but I've just left them in the basket in case they do, because if they do they get despatched to me automatically.

Besides GPU's now i'm struggling in my mind with CPU.. I can see 8th gen. i5 8600is a lot better than Ryzen.. I'm thinking of trying to give the Ryzen and Mobo back.. Which is really hard i guess,cause they only accept it 3 days after i got them only.. So i maybe give them a call.. I'm thinking of:
a) Changing to i5 8th Gen. and select the same GPU ( either 580 or 1060 )
b) Keep the Ryzen and maaaybe overextend my budget if I can and go for a GTX 1070.
c) Don't do anything of them and spend less,since nVidia is going to release new series of GPU's and then at some point the GPU will need an update,cause it will be kinda outdated,besides it will be a powerful card like GTX 1070.

 

[ohiou_grad_2006]

Ryzen is still decent. Your GPU will matter now games. Plus with am4, if things go well, you should be able to upgrade the cpu without changing the board later. That said, I'm running a Ryzen 1600 overclocked and I'm happy with it. With my RX 480, at 1080p on a 60hz panel, I pretty much max out everything. The Intel will be slightly faster, but keep in mind, on Intel you are going to be paying at least about 120 for a z370 board.

It's totally your call. The 580 will do great with Ryzen. Or keep the Ryzen and go for the 1070. Either way you will be happy I think. But switching to Nvidia GPU you won't be able to utilize the freesync.

Honestly, if you are going to think 1070, you nothing as well check pricing on a 1080. In the US at least, I don't think they are that much more.

A good friends of mine is running a Ryzen 1700x with a 1080ti and loves it. Not even overclocked either. I think he even said before if he had it to do again he might have just gotten the 6 core. Either way you go tough, it's going to be a beastly system.

 

[laptopuserr]

Ryzen is still decent. Your GPU will matter now games. Plus with am4, if things go well, you should be able to upgrade the cpu without changing the board later. That said, I'm running a Ryzen 1600 overclocked and I'm happy with it. With my RX 480, at 1080p on a 60hz panel, I pretty much max out everything. The Intel will be slightly faster, but keep in mind, on Intel you are going to be paying at least about 120 for a z370 board.

It's totally your call. The 580 will do great with Ryzen. Or keep the Ryzen and go for the 1070. Either way you will be happy I think. But switching to Nvidia GPU you won't be able to utilize the freesync.

Honestly, if you are going to think 1070, you nothing as well check pricing on a 1080. In the US at least, I don't think they are that much more.

A good friends of mine is running a Ryzen 1700x with a 1080ti and loves it. Not even overclocked either. I think he even said before if he had it to do again he might have just gotten the 6 core. Either way you go tough, it's going to be a beastly system.

Yeah Ryzen is still great,but Intel's 8th gen is really better in terms of gaming... As for the motherboard,if i could send them back it's okay .. I had to buy a new motherboard anyway.. But unfortunately as i said i got the Ryzen and AM4,without knowing about the Intel release..
Now for the things i said before,i'm not sure yet which one is worth .. Should i keep the Ryzen or try to get them back.. Is it worth worth to spend on a better CPU,since it's gonna be the one which i won't upgrade for long time? Or just get a better GPU,or just stay with a good mid range one.. I would try to go for the 1070 but I'm afraid about the new release.. Just like it happened with the CPU.

 

[ohiou_grad_2006]

Intel is a little better at gaming presently. But you are talking just a few percentage points. Let's say an Intel chip gets 200fps on a game, you might be talking say 175 on the Ryzen. But each have is coded differently as well. You shouldn't hit that wall unless you are going to a higher end GPU. When you are talking about a 1060 or 580, they are great cards, but they are mid range cards. Your GPU will be more important to a lot of games. As I said, with my 1600 and my RX 480, I'm very happy with mine. And I should be able to upgrade in a year or two to a better could if I want hopefully without changing the board also. When I do that I'll probably sell my old cpu to make up some cost.

The article I read the other day said that the first version of ryzen was a worst case scenario. As they refine the cpu they will increase ipc and clock speeds too, which should help pull closer to Intel.

But as I said, I'm happy with my setup.

Keep this in mind you are talking 259 dollars for an i5 8600k, minimum of 120 for a board.

Your Ryzen was probably about 200 for the cpu and if you got a b350 board you paid 80 or so, maybe 100. So you saved 80-100 on the cpu board combo. That extra 100 can get a nicer GPU which will be now beneficial for games.

Maybe just roll with Ryzen and roll with the 580. It will work great for now. Pocket what you saved. Then if in a few months, if you decide you want another GPU, sell your 580 on eBay and put that money you saved and made on the sale into another GPU. Same with cpu.

It's totally your call either way, but I'm happy with my setup. The way I look at it is there is no such thing as future proof when you're taking about technology. Myself, I know that I'm planning say when Ryzen 2 or Ryzen 3 comes out, I'll probably upgrade my CPU again, and in a year or so, if GPUs do truly advance very far, then I may upgrade that also. But as far as what's out now, I know I can play pretty much anything out now, and that it will still perform well for a while even if I do nothing.

 

[laptopuserr]

Intel is a little better at gaming presently. But you are talking just a few percentage points. Let's say an Intel chip gets 200fps on a game, you might be talking say 175 on the Ryzen. But each have is coded differently as well. You shouldn't hit that wall unless you are going to a higher end GPU. When you are talking about a 1060 or 580, they are great cards, but they are mid range cards. Your GPU will be more important to a lot of games. As I said, with my 1600 and my RX 480, I'm very happy with mine. And I should be able to upgrade in a year or two to a better could if I want hopefully without changing the board also. When I do that I'll probably sell my old cpu to make up some cost.

The article I read the other day said that the first version of ryzen was a worst case scenario. As they refine the cpu they will increase ipc and clock speeds too, which should help pull closer to Intel.

But as I said, I'm happy with my setup.

Keep this in mind you are talking 259 dollars for an i5 8600k, minimum of 120 for a board.

Your Ryzen was probably about 200 for the cpu and if you got a b350 board you paid 80 or so, maybe 100. So you saved 80-100 on the cpu board combo. That extra 100 can get a nicer GPU which will be now beneficial for games.

Maybe just roll with Ryzen and roll with the 580. It will work great for now. Pocket what you saved. Then if in a few months, if you decide you want another GPU, sell your 580 on eBay and put that money you saved and made on the sale into another GPU. Same with cpu.

It's totally your call either way, but I'm happy with my setup. The way I look at it is there is no such thing as future proof when you're taking about technology. Myself, I know that I'm planning say when Ryzen 2 or Ryzen 3 comes out, I'll probably upgrade my CPU again, and in a year or so, if GPUs do truly advance very far, then I may upgrade that also. But as far as what's out now, I know I can play pretty much anything out now, and that it will still perform well for a while even if I do nothing.

They will defenitelly perform great not doubt.. Also i payed a lot for the AM4 mobo,which makes it the same price as a Z370 mobo for the Intel 8th Gen. CPU's .. But i think i will stay on the budget i was pointing at,enjoy that for 2-3 years ( hopefully ) and get something better in the future.. I'm pointing on streaming,hope Ryzen won't disappoint me. If it does i'll hardly go on AMD CPU's after. Hahaha..But i'll have faith

 

[ohiou_grad_2006]

AMD was effectively out of the game for a while but I think they know they'd better deliver this time around.

 

[laptopuserr]

AMD was effectively out of the game for a while but I think they know they'd better deliver this time around.

Should i send the Ryzen 1600 back and get a 8th Gen. Intel CPU? .. i5 - 8600K

 

[ohiou_grad_2006]

It's your call. If you have the budget, there 8600k will do a little better. One thing to keep in mind, Intel usually switches sockets or requires new boards for upgrades. So say in a couple of years when you want to upgrade, don't be surprised if you have to buy a new board. Just like all the guys who invested in Skylake and kaby. Coffee lake uses the same socket, but the CPUs aren't compatible in old boards, and old chips don't work with new boards either.

 

[laptopuserr]

It's your call. If you have the budget, there 8600k will do a little better. One thing to keep in mind, Intel usually switches sockets or requires new boards for upgrades. So say in a couple of years when you want to upgrade, don't be surprised if you have to buy a new board. Just like all the guys who invested in Skylake and kaby. Coffee lake uses the same socket, but the CPUs aren't compatible in old boards, and old chips don't work with new boards either.

You're right mate.. I'm not sure if it worths the extra money.. But i'm thinking that i just bought a CPU and mobo.. So maybe i should give some more and get an 8th Gen. i5 .. ( Tho i got a decent b350 board and i will have to get a cheap Z370 one to be in kinda budget ) .. Buttha thing Intel is doing with the mobos is stupid..

 

[ohiou_grad_2006]

Thing is too, AMD is saying they will support am4 until 2020. If that means when new CPUs come out that you can put a new cpu into your board, that will be a nice thing. They are already hinting at releasing new ryzen CPUs next year.

With how good ryzen is already, if they get 10-15% better ipc and can get the clock speeds up to let's say 4.5 GHz or so, then you are almost even playing field with Intel. Maybe Skylake performance? And I think they planning more after that.

But when new CPUs come out, if they are good, you'll probably be able to buy and sell your old one on eBay as used. I may wait till Ryzen 2 or 3 and see if I want to upgrade. If they can get ipc closer to that of even kaby lake and bump the clock speeds higher, then it's going to make them a much more compelling buy.

 

[madmatt30]

Fact is - a ryzen 1600 & a rx 580 is going to do the job with a 75htz screen easily .

3 years down the like if its struggling a little to maintain max fps or settings you have a freesync screen .

It'll still be ultra smooth gameplay wise even if you find fps dropping into the 40s.

While I probably would recommend the Intel over the ryzen just for straight gaming if you already have the ryzen there really is no need to return it at all.

 

[laptopuserr]

Thing is too, AMD is saying they will support am4 until 2020. If that means when new CPUs come out that you can put a new cpu into your board, that will be a nice thing. They are already hinting at releasing new ryzen CPUs next year.

With how good ryzen is already, if they get 10-15% better ipc and can get the clock speeds up to let's say 4.5 GHz or so, then you are almost even playing field with Intel. Maybe Skylake performance? And I think they planning more after that.

But when new CPUs come out, if they are good, you'll probably be able to buy and sell your old one on eBay as used. I may wait till Ryzen 2 or 3 and see if I want to upgrade. If they can get ipc closer to that of even kaby lake and bump the clock speeds higher, then it's going to make them a much more compelling buy.

So you guys think i should not send them back? I'm thinking since i just bought them,i can send them back and with 100 euros i can go to i5 - 8600K .. With the cheapest Z370 motherboard tho.. Or it's not worth it? ( well it is a little or more than little worth it tho ) .. I'm planning on gaming and streaming.

 

[ohiou_grad_2006]

It is up to you. But what we are saying is that yes the Intel is faster for gaming, but you probably won't notice that much. The Ryzen will do just fine for games. They fact that it also had hyperthreading enabled whereas the i5 does not might make difference in streaming.

When kaby was out, similar situation. I5 would game better, but if you wanted to stream too, Ryzen had it beat. Depending how much streaming, you could try to take back the Ryzen 1600 and get the Ryzen 7 1700, 8 core 16 thread.

But I think if you are gaming and streaming, the Ryzen will do will for the money you spent. And you should also have an upgrade path as they release faster Ryzen chips.

My Ryzen 1600 I have overclocked to 3.7ghz. I pretty much only game on it. Work my RX 480, I can max out pretty much any game at 1080p on a 60hz screen, and it's a smooth experience. Night have been one or 2 titles I turned down AA a tick but I may not have needed to. Is does what I want and had some power left to spare.

 

[laptopuserr]

It is up to you. But what we are saying is that yes the Intel is faster for gaming, but you probably won't notice that much. The Ryzen will do just fine for games. They fact that it also had hyperthreading enabled whereas the i5 does not might make difference in streaming.

When kaby was out, similar situation. I5 would game better, but if you wanted to stream too, Ryzen had it beat. Depending how much streaming, you could try to take back the Ryzen 1600 and get the Ryzen 7 1700, 8 core 16 thread.

But I think if you are gaming and streaming, the Ryzen will do will for the money you spent. And you should also have an upgrade path as they release faster Ryzen chips.

My Ryzen 1600 I have overclocked to 3.7ghz. I pretty much only game on it. Work my RX 480, I can max out pretty much any game at 1080p on a 60hz screen, and it's a smooth experience. Night have been one or 2 titles I turned down AA a tick but I may not have needed to. Is does what I want and had some power left to spare.

So you think it is better to stay witb Ryzen? .. I was thinking about the i5 cause of performance.. And i'm not willing to upgrade in the near future.. No money for that...It should last 3-4 years. .. That's why i think i5 will do better. Tho Ryzen is vfm as hell.

 

[madmatt30]

Well with intel you don't have an opportunity to upgrade anyway , z370 is an intermediate chipset supporting just coffee lake & likely (though not 100% cannon lake)
2019 will bring ice lake which will 99.99999% likely mean another socket again.

Its your choice , the ryzen 1600 will handle everything you throw at it though for the forseeable future IMO (including gaming while streaming)

 

[laptopuserr]

Well with intel you don't have an opportunity to upgrade anyway , z370 is an intermediate chipset supporting just coffee lake & likely (though not 100% cannon lake)
2019 will bring ice lake which will 99.99999% likely mean another socket again.

Its your choice , the ryzen 1600 will handle everything you throw at it though for the forseeable future IMO (including gaming while streaming)

Thanks guys,i'll probably keep the Ryzen for the budget,sacrificing somr performance.. Since it is my first PC,coming from Pentium and 512mb GPU,it will be great.. Altough i wanted the max performance for the money,even if i had to pay some more..
Thanks for the helpful answers btw.

 

[ohiou_grad_2006]

Dude if you are coming from a Pentium that ryzen will straight up knock out the Pentium and take it's lunch money. It will be an awesome upgrade for you. And as I said, you should have a good upgrade path, so in a year or 2 if you feel the Ryzen chip isn't fast enough, they should have ryzen 2 or Ryzen 3 or by then, and with any luck you'll be able to buy one of those, drop it into your board, and sell your old cpu to make back some cash

 

[madmatt30]

^ I went from an fx 8320@4.6ghz to a ryzen 1700@4ghz

The performance difference is just plain indescribable.

Running bf1 multiplayer at 90-100fps while rendering a 4k stream in the background & only seeing 60% cpu usage is just insane

The 1600 can manage that same workload (albeit with 80-90% usage) , but the background headroom is still there.

Rendering/streaming while playing a game without dropping any fps is something the ryzen 1600 & 1700 absolutely excel at .

I've honestly not seen any streaming results with the 6 core i5's , I'm sure they manage pretty well but they will drop fps from their maximums without a doubt , how much who knows ??
Probably still comparable to a ryzen while streaming anyway & if theyre better I'm sure ita not by a huge amount.


They're are loads of benches with a ryzen 1700 vs a 7700k running high quality streaming & the ryzen just killed it stone dead , the 7700k had stutters and hitches aplenty , the ryzen was still smooth as silk.

 

[laptopuserr]

Dude if you are coming from a Pentium that ryzen will straight up knock out the Pentium and take it's lunch money. It will be an awesome upgrade for you. And as I said, you should have a good upgrade path, so in a year or 2 if you feel the Ryzen chip isn't fast enough, they should have ryzen 2 or Ryzen 3 or by then, and with any luck you'll be able to buy one of those, drop it into your board, and sell your old cpu to make back some cash

Or just go into Intel when i want to make an upgrade .. I know it's a huge upgrade.. I was just considering that right now 8th Gen. has more to offer.. Besides the upgrade path.

 

[madmatt30]

Intel gen 8 doesn't have that much more to offer, it has better single core performance , something Intel has always had anyway.

What actually made you pick the ryzen in the first place in that respect ?

I'd ask why you didn't go for the i7 7700k originally ??

Its about the same price as the 8600k , about the same performance both single & multi threaded.... & it's not like it wasn't available at the time either.

& this isn't a criticism of you going with the ryzen 1600 at all , just you seem a little obsessed with
the intels as it stands.

 

[ohiou_grad_2006]

Either way dude. I'm done with this thread. Do what you want because that's obviously what you plan to do despite any advice anyone gives you. But you do seem a bit obsessed with trying to get the best value, and I get it. Here's the breakdown.

Best value for the money=Ryzen(in my opinion)
Best absolute performance=intel(spending more money)

Go with intel if that's what you feel like doing. But I'm telling you I have the Ryzen 1600 with a slight overclock. The thing is a beast and will stream or game until your heart's content. Either setup is going to absolutely scream. But with the fact you wish to stream as well, I think that the i5 will hold you back a little. So for streaming on intel, I would tell you go with the i7 8700k.

Keep in mind as well, with a 1060 or 580, you probably won't see much difference in gaming with either cpu because the card will likely bottleneck the cpu very slightly when you start hitting higher resolutions and higher refresh rates.