Question Potential CPU Problem?

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Specs:

CPU: AMD Ryzen 3600x
GPU: ASUS Strix RTX 2070 Super
RAM: 2, 8GB 3200Mghz G-Skill
Mobo: MPG X570 Gaming Pro Carbon Wifi
PSU: Corsair AX1000
Storage: 2, Samsung SSD's, 250Gb, 1Tb

Currently Running 2 Monitors:
Acer XFA240 (G-sync)(144HZ)(Display Port)
Acer R240HY(60HZ)(HDMI)

Problem:
So, I've had this problem for around 6 months, have posted multiple threads about this problem, however, at this point I've had it so any help would be greatly appreciated. So in most games that I play that aren't CPU intensive my fps averages 144+, however my game would randomly stutter such as in destiny 2 menu's, borderlands 3 switching weapons, COD BO zombies activating power stutter. Today I started playing Black desert online and in the middle of the screen shake during any combo the fps will drop significantly from 144 to 48 FPS, a stutter if you will, rendering the game frustrating to play. I've already tried many, many, many solutions for these problems but most have helped just barely and had no real effect on these problems. I will say that during these frame stutters sometimes I do hear the fans spike, however the max reported temp is 69*F which although not preferred should be fine.

 

[rgd1101]

discount the non gaming monitor ?

 

[veronscopes]

discount the non gaming monitor ?

Have tried testing it without the 60hz monitor to see if it was interfering, nothing from it causing it, the stutters occur in bdo with around 20 fps stutters just randomly and aren't super bad but happen relatively frequently and are extremely annoying

 

[Phaaze88]

Mobo: MPG X570 Gaming Pro Carbon Wifi

This motherboard is known for poor VRM temps.
Download and run MSI Afterburner, go into Settings > Monitoring, and 'check' Cpu Clock.
Hit Apply and exit settings, then click on the DETACH button. It should bring up a separate window of real-time graphs, including the Cpu Clock one.

Anyways, play your games with that running in the background.
When you experience these hiccups, tab out, and check if the clock speed took a dive or not.


Ryzen Master is probably capable of this as well, but I'm not familiar with it.

 

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This is one example of during fishing when my game went from 144 fps to 60 fps

 

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This motherboard is known for poor VRM temps.
Download and run MSI Afterburner, go into Settings > Monitoring, and 'check' Cpu Clock.
Hit Apply and exit settings, then click on the DETACH button. It should bring up a separate window of real-time graphs, including the Cpu Clock one.

Anyways, play your games with that running in the background.
When you experience these hiccups, tab out, and check if the clock speed took a dive or not.


Ryzen Master is probably capable of this as well, but I'm not familiar with it.

Is this a real case of vrm throttling I feel like i've checked hwinfo about this already and its showed me natural temps

 

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This is the overall clock speed

 

[Phaaze88]

But do those dips in clock speed align with the hiccups you're experiencing?

 

[veronscopes]

But do those dips in clock speed align with the hiccups you're experiencing?

the average not really in some of the other cpu cores i suppose but theres so many drops and increases its hard to tell

 

[Phaaze88]

Please click the green human to continue - UserBenchmark

Post a link to the results.

 

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Please click the green human to continue - UserBenchmark

Post a link to the results.

okay the first image is with me on g-sync for my monitor, the second one is when i turn g-sync off, i might see the problem i'm going to test it on my games and see if its improved, the other thing to note is that my gpu has some pretty wacky coil whine as far as i can tell nothing that actually effects it but its really annoying.

 

[rgd1101]

post the link to the result so we can see the detail

 

[veronscopes]

post the link to the result so we can see the detail

https://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/23257927

 

[Phaaze88]

https://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/23257927

Nothing really negative stands out; your results are pretty good.
This leads me to think it's more of a driver/software issue.

-If this was an upgrade, did you reinstall Windows?
-Power plan is set to Ryzen Balanced?
-Scan your PC with Adwcleaner: https://www.malwarebytes.com/adwcleaner/
-Verify the integrity of the game files. For Steam, you go to the library, right-click the game and go to Properties, click on the Local Files, and it's there.

None of the above may not do anything though, as I believe the core of the problem, lies with the monitors having different refresh rates.
View: https://www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/atl1gm/regarding_the_whole_144hz60hz_dual_monitor_setup/

There are some fixes, but the only concrete one was having monitors with matching refresh rates. You can set the 144hz monitor to 60 - I know it's not ideal, but I don't know what else to tell you in regards to fixing the stuttering.

 

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Nothing really negative stands out; your results are pretty good.
This leads me to think it's more of a driver/software issue.

-If this was an upgrade, did you reinstall Windows?
-Power plan is set to Ryzen Balanced?
-Scan your PC with Adwcleaner: https://www.malwarebytes.com/adwcleaner/
-Verify the integrity of the game files. For Steam, you go to the library, right-click the game and go to Properties, click on the Local Files, and it's there.

None of the above may not do anything though, as I believe the core of the problem, lies with the monitors having different refresh rates.
View: https://www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/atl1gm/regarding_the_whole_144hz60hz_dual_monitor_setup/

There are some fixes, but the only concrete one was having monitors with matching refresh rates. You can set the 144hz monitor to 60 - I know it's not ideal, but I don't know what else to tell you in regards to fixing the stuttering.

well i've set the monitor to 60z and have tried that once before with just the one monitor with 144hz which leads me to believe that something else is causing the stutter. After some research I've heard that some ahrd drives/ssds that although work well can get defects causing system stutter. So i've put in some money into a m.2 to test it, ill do some more testing with the 144 hz and 60hz thing by running it solo for a while. btw it also says that my ram has lower latency than most other rams in the test run, could it potentially be my ram or ram frequencies? Running Xmp currently with the rated freq.

 

[Phaaze88]

After some research I've heard that some ahrd drives/ssds that although work well can get defects causing system stutter. So i've put in some money into a m.2 to test it,

And if that doesn't work?
Does Samsung Magician say your drives are bad? The non-Samsung drive can be checked with this: https://crystalmark.info/redirect.php?product=CrystalDiskInfoInstaller

it also says that my ram has lower latency than most other rams in the test run, could it potentially be my ram or ram frequencies?

No, ~ALTHOUGH... you may be able to tighten your memory timings via Ryzen Dram Calculator.

 

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And if that doesn't work?
Does Samsung Magician say your drives are bad? The non-Samsung drive can be checked with this: https://crystalmark.info/redirect.php?product=CrystalDiskInfoInstaller


No, ~ALTHOUGH... you may be able to tighten your memory timings via Ryzen Dram Calculator.

If it doesn't work I suppose it would just be the motherboard holding me back? I've memtested the RAM and also checked crystaldiskinfo for the drives that say they are healthy, but the microstutters just seem so odd, I wanna say its CPU related because my fans whir up alot but at the same time the highest temp i've recorded is 69^F idk this CPU just feels kinda weird. But i mean i might try to tighten the memory timings cause like when i play league, halo, or even just destiny 2 without using menus my game doesn't stutter at all.

 

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heres what hwinfo is showing after a gaming sitting in case anyone has any input

 

[Phaaze88]

I wanna say its CPU related because my fans whir up alot

You can thank bios for that one. Because they're trying to react to every little temperature spike that happens.
There may be an adjustable fan speed 'step up' feature in bios where you can delay how soon the fans spin up, but it's pretty flawed, and may not work for you at all.
If the noise is bothering you, cap the max fan rpm in bios(watch your temps), or get a bigger cooler.

69^F

Stick to Celsius when discussing PC hardware. It's the traditional unit of temperature measurement.

this CPU just feels kinda weird.

Get used to it. It behaves in the same/similar manner as Nvidia's Gpu Boost algorithm, but with many cores/threads. The better your temps, the higher it'll boost - to a point.

The stock cooler works very well for the 3600 and 3700X, as far as thermal performance is concerned. The only downside will be the fan acoustics for some people. It's equipped with a 3500rpm fan - I know for sure that it's at least 3000rpm.
A fan is only going to be so 'quiet' past 1500rpm. Again, you could just cap the fan speed in bios, just keep an eye on temps... or go the bigger cooler route.

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heres what hwinfo is showing after a gaming sitting in case anyone has any input

Sorry mate, nothing looks bad at all. Not even your motherboard's VRMs appear to be overheating, which Msi's cheaper X570s were discovered to be prone for.
Your hardware looks fine to me.

 

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You can thank bios for that one. Because they're trying to react to every little temperature spike that happens.
There may be an adjustable fan speed 'step up' feature in bios where you can delay how soon the fans spin up, but it's pretty flawed, and may not work for you at all.
If the noise is bothering you, cap the max fan rpm in bios(watch your temps), or get a bigger cooler.


Stick to Celsius when discussing PC hardware. It's the traditional unit of temperature measurement.


Get used to it. It behaves in the same/similar manner as Nvidia's Gpu Boost algorithm, but with many cores/threads. The better your temps, the higher it'll boost - to a point.

The stock cooler works very well for the 3600 and 3700X, as far as thermal performance is concerned. The only downside will be the fan acoustics for some people. It's equipped with a 3500rpm fan - I know for sure that it's at least 3000rpm.
A fan is only going to be so 'quiet' past 1500rpm. Again, you could just cap the fan speed in bios, just keep an eye on temps... or go the bigger cooler route.


Sorry mate, nothing looks bad at all. Not even your motherboard's VRMs appear to be overheating, which Msi's cheaper X570s were discovered to be prone for.
Your hardware looks fine to me.

damn meant to say 69^C , and maybe i'll do some more BIOS updates to see if that helps at all, I am using a hyper 212 evo the newer addition with noctua fans so it doesn't bother me too much, but damn does this probably mean that my problem lies within my software or likely a defective piece of hardware that isn't being detected? I'm guessing at this point it's just plug and play, trial and error. Might get another 144hz monitor just in case, there was only one real time when i could see the CPU downclock during one of the stutters but with temps not really being a problem kinda hard for me to figure it out. I'll see what happens when i put in my new m.2 NvMe to see if maybe the older ssds are at fault they were from my old build when my power went out and my old comp went wacks up. The only other thing i can think of as well is theres alot of mounting pressure on the CPU but not sure how that'd really effect things since theres no major problems.

 

[Phaaze88]

I'll see what happens when i put in my new m.2 NvMe to see if maybe the older ssds are at fault they were from my old build when my power went out and my old comp went wacks up.

So this WAS an upgrade, and not a build from scratch. The fact that you carried over your old storage drives means you did the same with Windows and didn't reinstall it.
You should reinstall Windows after a major hardware change like that. Then, if THAT doesn't work, then the issue is likely the de-synchronization caused by your monitors.

 

[veronscopes]

So this WAS an upgrade, and not a build from scratch. The fact that you carried over your old storage drives means you did the same with Windows and didn't reinstall it.
You should reinstall Windows after a major hardware change like that. Then, if THAT doesn't work, then the issue is likely the de-synchronization caused by your monitors.

yeah i've done a clean clean install with usb alrdy where i wipe all the c-states I might do it again and just install windows to the new m.2 drive when it gets here, im gonna try installing a game on it first just to see if it makes any difference .

 

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yeah i've done a clean clean install with usb alrdy where i wipe all the c-states I might do it again and just install windows to the new m.2 drive when it gets here, im gonna try installing a game on it first just to see if it makes any difference .

the only other thing that isn't brand new on this computer is the storage and the ram

 

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Bump recently acquired the m.2 and installed it into my pc, but to no avail i'm having the same recurring problem and seems to be getting slightly worse, I would really like to get to the bottom of this if i can, I don't mind spending money on my system if something needs to get replaced but as of right now I have no idea which piece of hardware is causing the issue as it can vary from cpu to mobo to gpu to even ram at this point, if anyone can point out any testing I should attempt to root out the potential bad hardware please let me know. I really just wanna get back to playing my games without the constant worry of this.

 

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View: https://imgur.com/a/HNXr9Wa
bump a test result from timespy might repost later to show all the graphs