Question Pre-wiring for tv and internet

[murph15]

About to start building a house , it will be on a slab , bricked and the walls will be spray insulated. Now what i think i would like is to have two rg6 cables from outside run up conduit in the wall and down in a closet , and here is where i'm not sure what kind of equipment i need to go ahead and buy if any....i'm leaning toward Directv and At&t internet for service....from the closet i want to run rg6 for tv and cat6 for internet to 5 rooms , again i will have conduit in each wall going down to the wall plates since they will spray the insulation in the walls...i would like to not have any equipment around our main tv except maybe the service provider's DVR...will who ever i get for the service be able to put their equipment (modem/router etc.) in my closet.....if this is clear enough what i would like to do , does anyone see any problems with it or any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.........REVISION::::: I'm simpleminded so let me ask a few simple (i hope) questions ....I plan to have my service hookups outside in a box for my providers to hook to and not have to drill holes through my brick exterior , now first question when the tv provider hooks up , my cable will go up and through the top plates , will i be able to use a splitter as soon as it gets in the attic and run my rg6 coax from the splitter to 5 rooms , down the conduit in each wall to a wall plate and from there be able to run another short cable to the service providers box at each tv and they be ready to play ???.....Now about my internet service : first question... at my outside hookup box , should i prewire that with cat6 or will the rg6 coax be okay to get the service from there into the house??? .......second question...i plan to have cat6 from the wall plates up through conduit and then all going to a closet , all hooked into a network switch , will all that will be left to do is hook the switch to the service providers modem/router ??? I'll admit i've never done anything like this but in my mind i picture the tv provider having to hook his service to my box outside and then running a cable from wall plates to his cable box and then to the tv's..(is there problems with my plan).........for my internet i picture the provider only having to hook his service in my outside box and then the cat6 cable which will be in my closet hook to his modem/router and then to my network switch which will have the prewired cat6 cables going to the 5 rooms...(anyone see any problems)...sorry for the rambling but i see it simple in my mind i'm just not sure if it will work as i see it..lol....thanks in advance for any comments !!!

 

[kanewolf]

Also consider where you would want network cameras on the outside/eves of the house. Put ethernet in the ceilings of one room on each floor for a "smoke detector" style WIFI source. If you are going to have a pool, consider another cable for an outdoor WIFI source. If you are going to have a shed/she-shed/man-cave, put power and network conduit to that area (even if you don't build the shed immediately). If you are going to have a pool, put conduit for a network run to your pool controller. Put a couple ethernet jacks in the garage. Put one near your breaker panel. Consider adding a per-breaker power monitor that is network enabled.

Not network related, but if you live in a rural area or area with extended power outages, put a manual or automatic transfer switch to support a whole house generator.

 

[jsmithepa]

It really doesn't matter what kind of service u have, if you are doing this from scratch, the choice is easy.

Run at least 1 coax + 1 CAT from the outside junction box to your CLOSET (u pick where).

Then from the CLOSET u run coax and CAT to each location that is needed, minimum one each. If u have a "sub-closet" next to your entertainment center then more.

If u don't want your equipment next to the entertainment center then u will have to find way to control them, either via IR, RF, WIFI, but that's not my forte and am leaving this to others who would know better.

More questions? just ask.

 

[ElectrO_90]

For Cat cable runs I would Start with ALL of them into 1 room where you would run a PoE Switch
In each bedroom/livingroom whatever - put this https://inwall-hd.ui.com/
Ubiquiti make awesome equipment and I would recommend that for your house. Then later you can expand it with Ubiquitie CCTV etc... all one style.

https://www.ui.com/ - all their products

https://inwall-hd.ui.com/ - AP
https://www.ui.com/products/#unifivideo - CCTV
https://www.ui.com/products/#unifi - PoE Switches

 

[murph15]

For Cat cable runs I would Start with ALL of them into 1 room where you would run a PoE Switch
In each bedroom/livingroom whatever - put this https://inwall-hd.ui.com/
Ubiquiti make awesome equipment and I would recommend that for your house. Then later you can expand it with Ubiquitie CCTV etc... all one style.

https://www.ui.com/ - all their products

https://inwall-hd.ui.com/ - AP
https://www.ui.com/products/#unifivideo - CCTV
https://www.ui.com/products/#unifi - PoE Switches

thanks

 

[murph15]

It really doesn't matter what kind of service u have, if you are doing this from scratch, the choice is easy.

Run at least 1 coax + 1 CAT from the outside junction box to your CLOSET (u pick where).

Then from the CLOSET u run coax and CAT to each location that is needed, minimum one each. If u have a "sub-closet" next to your entertainment center then more.

If u don't want your equipment next to the entertainment center then u will have to find way to control them, either via IR, RF, WIFI, but that's not my forte and am leaving this to others who would know better.

More questions? just ask.

thanks

 

[ElectrO_90]

thanks

I wired up 5 buildings using this system, with ubiquiti you can easily update everything with a click of a button, so you always have the latest firmware and security. I have about 100 AP's running as well as wired connections to 50+ rooms as well as CCTV and outside Wifi (this is a private island I wired up)

 

[jsmithepa]

I have about 100 AP's running as well as wired connections to 50+ rooms as well as CCTV and outside Wifi (this is a private island I wired up)

Reminds of this joke somebody asked an ex-army cook for the recipe and he went, 30 dozens eggs, 50 pound sirloin...

 

[ElectrO_90]

Reminds of this joke somebody asked an ex-army cook for the recipe and he went, 30 dozens eggs, 50 pound sirloin...

I'm just saying thats how many I installed, but it can be scaled down to 1 room if you want, the equipment is fantastic and is expandable.
I have not used better equipment, especially for the price and the service.
By using a 16 port POE, he can do his entire house with wifi/cctv/etc

Believe me, when you are working on a $100m project, good reliable equipment is needed.

 

[murph15]

New home construction will be brick exterior and walls will be sprayed insulation...I plan to have my tv/internet service hookups outside in a box for my providers to hook to and not have to drill holes through my brick exterior , now first question when the tv provider hooks up , my cable will go up and through the top plates , will i be able to use a splitter in the attic and hook my rg6 coax cables which i already will have run from 5 rooms ???.....Now about my internet service : first question... at my outside hookup box , should i prewire that with cat6 or the rg6 coax (would either of the two be okay for either At&t Uverse or Spectrum Cable )??? .......second question...i plan to have cat6 from the wall plates up through conduit and then all going to a closet , all hooked into a network switch , will all that will be left to do is hook the switch to the service providers modem/router ??? I'll admit i've never done anything like this but in my mind i picture the tv provider having to hook his service to my box outside and then running a cable from wall plates to his cable box and then to the tv's..(is there problems with my plan).........for my internet i picture the provider only having to hook his service in my outside box and then that cat6 cable which will be in my closet hook to his modem/router and then to my network switch which will have the prewired cat6 cables going to the 5 rooms...(anyone see any problems)...sorry for the rambling but i see it simple in my mind i'm just not sure if it will work as i see it..lol....thanks in advance for any comments !!!

P.S. interested only in tv/internet..no phone , speakers or any other wiring.

 

[bill001g]

Your best option is to run thin wall flexible conduit from the central room to each location. This way you can change the cable you run to each room if something changes. Many times it is less expensive because you can let the builder run the conduit and you can run the cables. The conduit is commonly called "smurf" tube because a very common brand is light blue. The tubing is much cheaper than running and terminating cables so you can run to extra location that you might in the future want something. Something like a ceiling mounted AP that looks like a smoke detector make a very clean looking install in a room you need better wifi coverage for example.

In any case you want everything to run to the same closet. All the coax and all the ethernet both from the rooms and from outside. You want any coax splices in this room rather than the attic. It also make is easier for a tv/internet package that from a cable company. It is simpler to split the feed in this room to your cable modem and tv locations rather than split it someplace else and then feed it back.

You will need power in the closet to power things like the modem and switch etc.

 

[failboat]

Cat6a UTP, CMR, 23awg, UL listed on monoprice is good cable. buy the monoprice keystones (same rating as cable), patch panel(same rating as cable), RJ45 plugs(same rating as cable), and cat5e patch cables. If you let the contractor pick I they will probably go with the cheapest they can find and charge you more than if you bought this stuff. I'd recommend going cat6a for 10G. In 3-5yrs I think 12-24P will drop below $300.

POE + UPS is great. your internet won't go out if you get your modem, router, switch, AP on it.

 

[murph15]

Your best option is to run thin wall flexible conduit from the central room to each location. This way you can change the cable you run to each room if something changes. Many times it is less expensive because you can let the builder run the conduit and you can run the cables. The conduit is commonly called "smurf" tube because a very common brand is light blue. The tubing is much cheaper than running and terminating cables so you can run to extra location that you might in the future want something. Something like a ceiling mounted AP that looks like a smoke detector make a very clean looking install in a room you need better wifi coverage for example.

In any case you want everything to run to the same closet. All the coax and all the ethernet both from the rooms and from outside. You want any coax splices in this room rather than the attic. It also make is easier for a tv/internet package that from a cable company. It is simpler to split the feed in this room to your cable modem and tv locations rather than split it someplace else and then feed it back.

You will need power in the closet to power things like the modem and switch etc.

on the tv there will be no coax splices , the service coax from outside will hook to a splitter and then from there to the 5 rooms...why would i run the service down into the closet , hook to the splitter and then 5 cables back up into attic and to the 5 rooms instead of just splitting them in the attic and running to the 5 rooms first...i'm just asking and this would be just for the tv service.

 

[bill001g]

Mostly it lets you use the cables for other things if you need to. You could for example put a modem/router in one of the rooms if you really wanted to. Not real sure it is just the common way it is done.

Generally the cable tv and the internet come in on the same cable so you need a spliter some place. I guess I just like all my stuff in one place and where I live the attic is way over 100 degrees in summer so I hate going up there to fix problems.

 

[nigelivey]

I'm just saying thats how many I installed, but it can be scaled down to 1 room if you want, the equipment is fantastic and is expandable.
I have not used better equipment, especially for the price and the service.
By using a 16 port POE, he can do his entire house with wifi/cctv/etc

Believe me, when you are working on a $100m project, good reliable equipment is needed.

$100m project and you used Unifi? I find that a curious choice, I couldn't think of a more unreliable bit of kit than their cloud keys!! No proper controller either!! $100m and they couldn't stump up for Cisco or better still Ruckus?

 

[ElectrO_90]

$100m project and you used Unifi? I find that a curious choice, I couldn't think of a more unreliable bit of kit than their cloud keys!! No proper controller either!! $100m and they couldn't stump up for Cisco or better still Ruckus?

You know project managers... plus cisco is over-rated tbh. It's like a Merc, runs on the "brand".

 

[nigelivey]

You know project managers... plus cisco is over-rated tbh. It's like a Merc, runs on the "brand".

We can disagree on the over-rated bit, it would depend on requirements and the implementation.