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[citation][nom]kyeana[/nom]Didn't psystar get caught a while ago simply ripping off open source projects and selling them as their own?[/citation]
Isn't Macintosh the same?
If I remember correctly, it's just BSD linux...
$50 for this is pure bullshit.
You already can put Macintosh on most PC platforms, the main limiting factor is the motherboard (if I remember correctly)...
Isn't Macintosh the same?
If I remember correctly, it's just BSD linux...
$50 for this is pure bullshit.
You already can put Macintosh on most PC platforms, the main limiting factor is the motherboard (if I remember correctly)...
[citation][nom]the_krasno[/nom]So true and so sad. Who the hell Apple is to tell me what I can install or not in MY hardware!? If I paid for it, I can do as much as I want to with it.[/citation]
Read the EULA carefully. It really states you 'own' a license to run one instance of the app not the actual ownership of the app. Apple or who ever, actually owns it. Makes me wonder why they ever do collector's editions of software. They own it, you just hold on to it. Same with movies.
Read the EULA carefully. It really states you 'own' a license to run one instance of the app not the actual ownership of the app. Apple or who ever, actually owns it. Makes me wonder why they ever do collector's editions of software. They own it, you just hold on to it. Same with movies.
[citation][nom]deadlockedworld[/nom]Its not "copying windows machines." Its using the most cost-effective hardware options--a decision that is the same for all PC vendors. Apple tried to be independent, but gave up after Motorola kept sucking so much at producing the PPC chips. [/citation]
Actually they were last using IBM Power PC RISC processors, but they dropped them. Don't think IBM cared too much since every game console uses IBM processors now anyway.
Actually they were last using IBM Power PC RISC processors, but they dropped them. Don't think IBM cared too much since every game console uses IBM processors now anyway.
Apple revealed back on Nov 27, 2009 it uses DMCA methods in conjunction with the EFI to prevent the MacOS from being installed and running on non-Apple software. The Blizzard vs Glider case shows that THIS form of EULA is enforceable and incorporating will not isolate you from monitory damages
[citation][nom]Yoder54[/nom]That is one of the stupidest statements that I have heard in quite sometime. Copying Windows machines? The Apple I was the first with a single circuit board used in a computer. The first home computer with a GUI or graphical user interface was the Apple Lisa. Steve Jobs and Steve Wozniak made the first ready-made personal computer. The Apple II was one of the first computers with a color display. The Apple Newton MessagePad is one of the first-ever Personal Digital Assistants (PDA) - a term coined by Apple's then-CEO John Sculley. Then there is the iPod and all of the "firsts" that came with it.So what is it that Apple is copying from the "PC"?" Please don't say the OS.pple was the company that made personal computing affordable and they have always been knocked for being so proprietary. If you are referring to the OS, well you need to read about the OS wars and learn who stole what from whom.[/citation]
Don't freak out... What would you expect from wintarded m$ fankiddies?
Apple was building computers, when billy boy was busy with BASIC for the Altair, and already built Lisa (68k), when billy boy was scamming SCP (Tim Paterson) and IBM. m$ had no clue on OSs, does not, and will not, they're out just for luring dumb lu$ers with crap products.
Don't freak out... What would you expect from wintarded m$ fankiddies?
Apple was building computers, when billy boy was busy with BASIC for the Altair, and already built Lisa (68k), when billy boy was scamming SCP (Tim Paterson) and IBM. m$ had no clue on OSs, does not, and will not, they're out just for luring dumb lu$ers with crap products.
[citation][nom]ossie[/nom]Don't freak out... What would you expect from wintarded m$ fankiddies?Apple was building computers, when billy boy was busy with BASIC for the Altair, and already built Lisa (68k), when billy boy was scamming SCP (Tim Paterson) and IBM. m$ had no clue on OSs, does not, and will not, they're out just for luring dumb lu$ers with crap products.[/citation]
"wintarded m$ fankiddies?" Just so you know I hate everyone=(operating system && computer) I prefer winblows looser and I am not a kiddie. Seems generalizations work for you and yoder54 but no one else can use them? You Mac 'fankiddies' are all the same.
"wintarded m$ fankiddies?" Just so you know I hate everyone=(operating system && computer) I prefer winblows looser and I am not a kiddie. Seems generalizations work for you and yoder54 but no one else can use them? You Mac 'fankiddies' are all the same.
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I'd rather not have OSX on my PC thank you. If I need something other than Windows I'll boot up in Linux.
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Buu!! as some one said over the start of this news, if they want to keep MAC OS for their own, they should have kept their hardware a part from the rest of the world. There is something that can not be fought, and that's the need of people doing what ever they want with their PCs, try to fight internet and see how far you get(lol). Plus I really don't get what all the fuss about that OS. May be, as I'm most likely a gamer I really could care less about less compatible OS to my hardware, when I use my PC, I'm looking to take the most out of it, not minimize my capability of use. (Hail Windows compatibility??)
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[citation][nom]Yoder54[/nom]That is one of the stupidest statements that I have heard in quite sometime. Copying Windows machines? The Apple I was the first with a single circuit board used in a computer. The first home computer with a GUI or graphical user interface was the Apple Lisa. Steve Jobs and Steve Wozniak made the first ready-made personal computer. The Apple II was one of the first computers with a color display. The Apple Newton MessagePad is one of the first-ever Personal Digital Assistants (PDA) - a term coined by Apple's then-CEO John Sculley. Then there is the iPod and all of the "firsts" that came with it.So what is it that Apple is copying from the "PC"?" Please don't say the OS.pple was the company that made personal computing affordable and they have always been knocked for being so proprietary. If you are referring to the OS, well you need to read about the OS wars and learn who stole what from whom.[/citation]
You really don't know? Are you playing stupid? I'll give you a hint. The hardware a MacIntoy runs on would run software for the original IBM PC. It would not run software for the Lisa, or original 68K, McIntoy.
In other words, Apple makes PC-Compatibles that run a different software. They don't make MacIntosh's anymore, going by the original definition of it. Do you really not understand that.
That being said, your argument would have been better if you were more informed. The original PC borrowed a lot from the Apple II. The original, diabolically priced ($666) Apple didn't work. You had to add things like video controller chip, etc... to it, so it wasn't really so innovative at all. The Apple II was not the first fully function microcomputer that ran right out of the box, the TRS-80 was. The Apple II did have some things used in the PC, like expansion slots, and certainly was viewed by IBM at that time when creating their own machine, which was better in every way. Apple had weird expansion slots where only certain cards could go into certain slots. On top of this, they used the horrible 6502 chip, whereas IBM used the much more powerful 8088, although being an early machine it's somewhat understandable. Another miserable Apple characteristic was their video modes, which were finally abolished in the IIgs (except for compatible modes). In the IIe, you'd have 560x192 (don't ask me why Apple chose this), but then you'd have restrictions on what colors could be placed next to each other, and the whole mapping of pixels to memory as convoluted as Hell. It was clearly designed by jackasses.
The Lisa was plain overpriced, and as mentioned, stole from Xerox, although Apple had the gall to sue Microsoft as if they invented. We stole it first!
The original Mac was another bad joke. It was monochrome, had no expansion slots, and allowed no memory expansion. You'd add things by daisy chaining them to a serial port. Yes, a real PoS. It was, as all Apple machines were, and have been, grotesquely overpriced, especially compared to similar machines (meaning 68K based ones) like Atari's and Commodore's Amiga.
Apple did push some good technologies, but ultimately they failed because they charged too much. SCSI was pushed by Apple way before IBM and others joined in (IBM pushed EDSI after MFM), and NuBus was certainly ahead of the AT-bus (often incorrectly referred to as the ISA bus). It was, however, inferior to IBM's Microchannel.
Apple also invented Firewire, but we see how useful that is now. They used weird one-button mice, also not popular. Give them credit for using the 68K early on, but then, so did Tandy with the Model 16/16b/6000, so it's really Motorola that deserves credit. Give them discredit for using the name Apple, since they had to restrict the Apple IIgs to monophonic sound because of it. The Apple IIgs is a kind of cool machine though, I have to admit.
The best quality machines made were IBM's PS/2 line. Nothing Apple makes, or made, approaches the quality of these machines. The PS/2 50/55/70, could all be taken apart in a minute with no tools and had ZERO cables. They were very well made, very elegant, and worked forever. The PC/AT could crush any Apple computer made. These things were beastly, being made with thick metal that would go right through the crappy towers made today. The keyboards were very heavy as well. Sure, everything now is made cheaply, so Apple makes good things by the standard of today, but, really, the best stuff, was not made by Apple, but by IBM. It was a different time when computers weren't commodities.
But, I digressed. I'll reiterate it simply for you. Your MacIntoy is a PC. It runs software for the original IBM PC, not the original Mac (unless you use software emulation, but then you can run a Commodore 64 on a Nehalem based machine, so that's no way to measure it). The funny thing is, they might have chosen a bad time, with the performance of the POWER chips being nothing less than spectacular now.
You really don't know? Are you playing stupid? I'll give you a hint. The hardware a MacIntoy runs on would run software for the original IBM PC. It would not run software for the Lisa, or original 68K, McIntoy.
In other words, Apple makes PC-Compatibles that run a different software. They don't make MacIntosh's anymore, going by the original definition of it. Do you really not understand that.
That being said, your argument would have been better if you were more informed. The original PC borrowed a lot from the Apple II. The original, diabolically priced ($666) Apple didn't work. You had to add things like video controller chip, etc... to it, so it wasn't really so innovative at all. The Apple II was not the first fully function microcomputer that ran right out of the box, the TRS-80 was. The Apple II did have some things used in the PC, like expansion slots, and certainly was viewed by IBM at that time when creating their own machine, which was better in every way. Apple had weird expansion slots where only certain cards could go into certain slots. On top of this, they used the horrible 6502 chip, whereas IBM used the much more powerful 8088, although being an early machine it's somewhat understandable. Another miserable Apple characteristic was their video modes, which were finally abolished in the IIgs (except for compatible modes). In the IIe, you'd have 560x192 (don't ask me why Apple chose this), but then you'd have restrictions on what colors could be placed next to each other, and the whole mapping of pixels to memory as convoluted as Hell. It was clearly designed by jackasses.
The Lisa was plain overpriced, and as mentioned, stole from Xerox, although Apple had the gall to sue Microsoft as if they invented. We stole it first!
The original Mac was another bad joke. It was monochrome, had no expansion slots, and allowed no memory expansion. You'd add things by daisy chaining them to a serial port. Yes, a real PoS. It was, as all Apple machines were, and have been, grotesquely overpriced, especially compared to similar machines (meaning 68K based ones) like Atari's and Commodore's Amiga.
Apple did push some good technologies, but ultimately they failed because they charged too much. SCSI was pushed by Apple way before IBM and others joined in (IBM pushed EDSI after MFM), and NuBus was certainly ahead of the AT-bus (often incorrectly referred to as the ISA bus). It was, however, inferior to IBM's Microchannel.
Apple also invented Firewire, but we see how useful that is now. They used weird one-button mice, also not popular. Give them credit for using the 68K early on, but then, so did Tandy with the Model 16/16b/6000, so it's really Motorola that deserves credit. Give them discredit for using the name Apple, since they had to restrict the Apple IIgs to monophonic sound because of it. The Apple IIgs is a kind of cool machine though, I have to admit.
The best quality machines made were IBM's PS/2 line. Nothing Apple makes, or made, approaches the quality of these machines. The PS/2 50/55/70, could all be taken apart in a minute with no tools and had ZERO cables. They were very well made, very elegant, and worked forever. The PC/AT could crush any Apple computer made. These things were beastly, being made with thick metal that would go right through the crappy towers made today. The keyboards were very heavy as well. Sure, everything now is made cheaply, so Apple makes good things by the standard of today, but, really, the best stuff, was not made by Apple, but by IBM. It was a different time when computers weren't commodities.
But, I digressed. I'll reiterate it simply for you. Your MacIntoy is a PC. It runs software for the original IBM PC, not the original Mac (unless you use software emulation, but then you can run a Commodore 64 on a Nehalem based machine, so that's no way to measure it). The funny thing is, they might have chosen a bad time, with the performance of the POWER chips being nothing less than spectacular now.
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Guy's Douglas Englebart invented the computer mouse and had a crude GUI with windowing elements before Xerox borrowed his ideas and improved on them.Englebart demonstrated his system in 1968 at about the time of the Apollo 8 NASA mission.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mother_of_All_Demos
The video of his demo was saved from 1968
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8734787622017763097#
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mother_of_All_Demos
The video of his demo was saved from 1968
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8734787622017763097#
[citation]So what is it that Apple is copying from the "PC"?" Please don't say the OS.
Everything but the OS - CPU, IDE and now SATA, USB, PCI and PCI-e.[/citation]
How's this copying from the PC (or as the orginal poster said, Windows machine)?
They are using PC hardware as the basis for their machines, but as far as I know PC hardware is not exclusive to Windows.
Everything but the OS - CPU, IDE and now SATA, USB, PCI and PCI-e.[/citation]
How's this copying from the PC (or as the orginal poster said, Windows machine)?
They are using PC hardware as the basis for their machines, but as far as I know PC hardware is not exclusive to Windows.
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I wouldn't mind running Mac OS on same hardware as PC. THAN an apples to apples test could be done without an interference from the extra Apple.
Also, I'd like to see how much more advanced and less incompatible (if any) Mac OS is compared to Linux its direct competitor.
Also, I'd like to see how much more advanced and less incompatible (if any) Mac OS is compared to Linux its direct competitor.
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