Psystar Sues Apple Over Snow Leopard

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I think Psystar might actually have a case. Since Snow Leopard is based on a Linux Iteration, it has to comply to the GNU agreement. It isn't which makes this suite possible.
 
[citation][nom]deck[/nom]tayb,I berate Apple because they stole the linux kernel and returned nothing to the open source community. They do this, and then have audacity to tout how great "their" OS is.[/citation]

Apple OS X got its start from NEXT... the company Steve Jobs owned, before Apple bought NeXT and also got Jobs. OS-X is not Linux. But it is a NIX. Amiga OS is also a variant of NIX.

NeXT OS (Next Step) has been around LONG before Linux.

Look it up.
 
[citation][nom]tayb[/nom]Sigh. I wonder if you people are so segregated on all of your everyday things.~ OS X is really cool. So is Windows 7. Can't fathom why so many people would choose to not only refuse to try the other but actively attack and berate anyone who does. I can spend $1,300 and get a damn fast refurb Apple laptop that comes with the exact warranty of a brand new machine and a brand new battery. Matching the specs with HP, Dell, Lenovo, Toshiba, etc the price is a complete wash. Without OS X the best OS Microsoft would have released is Windows XP.
~the presence of Apple alone makes Microsoft try harder, and when that happens we all win.[/citation] (EDITED DOWN A BIT)

OS-X is a very good OS. Windows7 is also a very good OS... its still messy under the hood, but MS has a lot more work to do because of the hardware selections that's far beyond that of OS. No excuse for the registry, but that won't ever go away 🙁

$1300 for a refurb Macbook is not impressive. A Thinkpad can be purchased for $650~1200 with equal or better features.

HP makes 17" notebooks starting at $700, Acer starts at $500... but those are rather junky in terms of quality of course.

- Yeah, its true. Without Apple, Amiga or Linux - Microsoft wouldn't be where they are today. Competition is good... would still like to see MS LOSE more market-share because they have to work harder, lower prices. As we seen with the Win7 $150 family pack.

 
[citation][nom]sicundercover[/nom]Im just curious how Psystar can afford all these law suites. Of course you gotta love how relentless they are, but at want point are you just throwing money down the drain.[/citation]
I wondered that too. It looks like Psystar is becoming the SCO of the Apple universe. 😉
 
[citation][nom]njalterio[/nom]That's $350 cheaper for same or better hardware. Eat it fanboy![/citation]

Oh, this is just sad. Very very sad.

1. You forgot the LED backlit.
2. You forgot to upgrade the battery. MBP has 7-hour battery.
3. There is no multi-touch trackpad option. Add $30 just for the feature.
4. You forgot to add bluetooth.
5. You forgot to add a webcam.
6. You forgot to upgrade the OS to Ultimate.
7. You forgot to add SD card reader.

Oops. Just a simple mistake I bet. Here, I will correct it for you.

+$149 for Vista Ultimate
+$50 for Web Cam/LED Backlight
+$30 for Touchpad
+$20 for Bluetooth
+$10 for Card Reader
+$90 for the battery

Total: $349

So your $950 Thinkpad just became a $1,300 Thinkpad when the features were actually evenly matched. Wait, what was the price of that Macbook Pro again? Idiot.
 
[citation][nom]tayb[/nom]...6. You forgot to upgrade the OS to Ultimate.7. ...[/citation]

wow
you would pay $149 to upgrade to Vista Ultimate and you call him an idiot ?
lol, what a moron, why in the world would you upgrade to ultimate when home premium is just fine
I play the latest games, run MS sql server, Oracle Express, MySql, Excel, Visual Studio Express, C# all on home premium
what a moron
see, all that stuu you pointed out, like multi-touch trackpad option, well, option is the keyword
with windows you have many different hardware vendors, so you have many different hardware configurations, so if you don't need something useless then you don't buy it, but with Apple, you have no choice. One hardware vendor = limited hardware configurations.
Can't afford $1200 and you would like to get something cheaper since you don't need bluetooth anyway? tough luck
 
OSX is a terrible OS IMO.. For anything.. Get linux or Windows, but not OSX.


Mac is simply a "fad" an elitist "I have better brandnames than you" company. In truth it is almost exactly the same or in fact inferior.

That being said I am rooting for Pystar, while I do believe the OS is terrible, competition never hurt anyone, especially MS.

 
[citation][nom]tayb[/nom]Oh, this is just sad. Very very sad. 1. You forgot the LED backlit. 2. You forgot to upgrade the battery. MBP has 7-hour battery.3. There is no multi-touch trackpad option. Add $30 just for the feature.4. You forgot to add bluetooth.5. You forgot to add a webcam. 6. You forgot to upgrade the OS to Ultimate.7. You forgot to add SD card reader. Oops. Just a simple mistake I bet. Here, I will correct it for you. +$149 for Vista Ultimate+$50 for Web Cam/LED Backlight+$30 for Touchpad+$20 for Bluetooth+$10 for Card Reader+$90 for the batteryTotal: $349So your $950 Thinkpad just became a $1,300 Thinkpad when the features were actually evenly matched. Wait, what was the price of that Macbook Pro again? Idiot.[/citation]

What a joke! Are you really serious?

Why do do you insist on Vista Ultimate? Please, what features are so important that you would have Ultimate? You do realize ultimate is for workstations that require over a 100 GBs of RAM?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Vista_editions

For the millionth time, dont post about things you know nothing about!

Web cams, LED backlights, bluetooth all come standard on the consumer series; IdeaPads. The price of those laptops are way lower if you really want to haggle over features no one really uses.
I actually quoted the T series is supposed to be the higher end business line.

The touchpad, card reader, and the battery all come included with the laptop. Stop making things up. You are embarrassing yourself. Good job, idiot.

 
"I berate Apple because they stole the linux kernel and returned nothing to the open source community. They do this, and then have audacity to tout how great "their" OS is."

Wow. Way to spew a load of garbage from your dense skull. I shall take a moment to try to educate you.

Linux is taken from Unix which Darwin is also based on. Darwin is Apple's derivative of Unix. Darwin is Open Source as well. Developments that Apple make with Darwin are actually contributed back to the Unix community.

Apple's model is completely acceptible by the Open Source Community's standards. Idiot.
 
you can only reason with a fanboy so much.

If you like spending more money just to have a piece of half-eaten fruit printed on the back of your laptop - go for it.

I think youll find that dell offer all the features of the MBP (yes, including mulitouch and a slot loading dvd writer) in their studio range at a very good price. And who said you needed vista ultimate?
 
[citation][nom]tayb[/nom]Sigh. I wonder if you people are so segregated on all of your everyday things. You love college ruled paper and absolutely despise and refuse to use wide ruled. You love chocolate but you berate anyone who likes vanilla. You have a Mercedes and every BMW is an overpriced pile of crap. Just don't get it. OS X is really cool. So is Windows 7. Can't fathom why so many people would choose to not only refuse to try the other but actively attack and berate anyone who does. I can spend $1,300 and get a damn fast refurb Apple laptop that comes with the exact warranty of a brand new machine and a brand new battery. Matching the specs with HP, Dell, Lenovo, Toshiba, etc the price is a complete wash. HP is a little cheaper, Lenovo is a little more, Dell is about even, etc. Why do you sit in a corner, refuse to come out, and ridicule the other corner endlessly. Without OS X the best OS Microsoft would have released is Windows XP. Vista was a disaster and had Apple not existed Windows 7 would be a shell of what it is right now. Thank you competition. At the very least if you can't manage to utter anything but "Apple sucks" acknowledge that the presence of Apple alone makes Microsoft try harder, and when that happens we all win.[/citation]

Apple is not a serious competitor to Microsoft, regardless of how much people would like to believe it is. Apple holds a niche market, the majority of which are people who have just been with them from the start, been told to get a Mac by an ignorant fanboy for falsified reasons, or the fanboys who shove their platform down other's throats.

Apple does not license it's operating system, and therefore will never be able to compete with Microsoft. I don't care how much "better" you'd like to think their OS is, the OEM PC is too saturated to allow a single manufacturer to ever control a majority of market share. There's no chance of OS X ever reaching anywhere near Windows's usage share unless it's licensed.
 
"Apple's model is completely acceptible by the Open Source Community's standards. Idiot."

theres a difference between legally sound and moral. you cant seriously suggest taking the product of open source developement and then going out and selling it? apple then have to audacity to go out and advertise the fact they have a unix framework.
 
[citation][nom]deck[/nom]tayb,I berate Apple because they stole the linux kernel and returned nothing to the open source community. They do this, and then have audacity to tout how great "their" OS is. Then they take it a step further by launching a series of adds which are slanderous and inaccurate. They censor internet forums that speak poorly about their products. They contractually bind people whos iPods expload so that they can no longer speak publically about the incident. So to sum up, I berate apple beucase they are not a moral company. When Apple steals open source code, only Apple wins.[/citation]

Are you absolutely insane? Apple does not share a single line of code with Linux. The kernel of Mac OS X may be Unix-like, just as Linux is, but their codebases are entirely different. Mac OS X is based upon the NEXTSTEP operating system developed by Steve Jobs's company NeXT and the FreeBSD kernel.

And for your information, the core of OS X, called Darwin, is released under an open source license, and the source code of it is free for you to download.
 
if Microsoft lawyers get in the hands of psystar with their huge stones, apple would have a run for their money. paystar might still be selling macs, but i got respect for em.
 
OSX may just be a linux distro, but MS stole DOS didn't they? macs are reasonably priced - that is to say the price is reasonable for the components you get - IF you desire ALL the specialized features that come with a mac. for instance, the mac mini is ok priced IF you wan't the silence and power efficiency and size of a laptop in a desktop (which no sane person cares about). the iMacs are good if, again, you want the form factor of a laptop in a desktop, and a built in screen (most people already have their own screen, so this is where they loose me here), mac pros are ok priced IF you need the mission critical reliability of proper server grade parts. (honestly, who uses a mac server anyway? wtf do server type people care about aesthetics??). the mac books are ok IF you need backlit keyboards, and multi touch track pads, and massive battery life, and a solid unibody design.

the problem with apple is that they cater to anybody and everybody who DOESN'T care about cost😛erformance ratio. this is of course in there favor, as the same type of people wouldn't really notice apple's massive margins.
 
Almost everyone here complains about the pricing on Apple computers. You are comparing apples to oranges!!!! Apple computers basically run fine with half the ram that any other computer because of the OS-X. And the reason why they don't want anyone else running OS-X on a PC other than Apple is because its basically a tested on THEIR hardware configuration(closed system)offering reliability. Yeah, its true that you can build a custom computer for far less, but not everyone else (75% of PC users) want to, have the time, and/or the knowledge. And for the person complaining about not being able to afford or because the price is too high....that's too bad. Some of the people here want something for nothing (A BMW for a Honda's Price)!?...I'm sorry this is not happening. Remember you always have a choice, but don't bash a great operation system or company, because you can't afford it. Later to the haters!
 
[citation][nom]njalterio[/nom]What a joke! Are you really serious? Why do do you insist on Vista Ultimate? Please, what features are so important that you would have Ultimate? You do realize ultimate is for workstations that require over a 100 GBs of RAM? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Vista_editionsFor the millionth time, dont post about things you know nothing about.[/citation]
Ultimate is for gaming rigs with 12GB's of RAM. Using 12GB's of RAM and 2 high end gpu's can easily break the 16GB limit of home premium.
http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/?p=4254
The 16GB limit is very tight and will impact the average gamer in under 2 years. Next year you may upgrade your current 4GB rig with an 8GB's kit and find some memory missing.

Does OSX = Ultimate? I don't know but a good compare would require Professional.
 
[citation][nom]Matt87_50[/nom]OSX may just be a linux distro, but MS stole DOS didn't they? macs are reasonably priced - that is to say the price is reasonable for the components you get - IF you desire ALL the specialized features that come with a mac. for instance, the mac mini is ok priced IF you wan't the silence and power efficiency and size of a laptop in a desktop (which no sane person cares about). the iMacs are good if, again, you want the form factor of a laptop in a desktop, and a built in screen (most people already have their own screen, so this is where they loose me here), mac pros are ok priced IF you need the mission critical reliability of proper server grade parts. (honestly, who uses a mac server anyway? wtf do server type people care about aesthetics??). the mac books are ok IF you need backlit keyboards, and multi touch track pads, and massive battery life, and a solid unibody design.the problem with apple is that they cater to anybody and everybody who DOESN'T care about costerformance ratio. this is of course in there favor, as the same type of people wouldn't really notice apple's massive margins.[/citation]

OS X isn't a freaking Linux distro! It doesn't share a single line of code with Linux! It's based upon NEXTSTEP and FreeBSD, not Linux. Linux isn't the only unix-like kernel.

Come on people.
 
[citation][nom]elbert[/nom]Ultimate is for gaming rigs with 12GB's of RAM. Using 12GB's of RAM and 2 high end gpu's can easily break the 16GB limit of home premium.http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/?p=4254The 16GB limit is very tight and will impact the average gamer in under 2 years. Next year you may upgrade your current 4GB rig with an 8GB's kit and find some memory missing.Does OSX = Ultimate? I don't know but a good compare would require Professional.[/citation]

12GB of RAM for a gaming rig!?!? Are you mad man? Games do NOT require that much RAM to perform well, nor does the performance continue to scale when the RAM is increased to that much.
 
[citation][nom]elbert[/nom]Ultimate is for gaming rigs with 12GB's of RAM. Using 12GB's of RAM and 2 high end gpu's can easily break the 16GB limit of home premium.http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/?p=4254The 16GB limit is very tight and will impact the average gamer in under 2 years. Next year you may upgrade your current 4GB rig with an 8GB's kit and find some memory missing.Does OSX = Ultimate? I don't know but a good compare would require Professional.[/citation]

Right, but we are not comparing high end gaming rigs here (there is no such thing as a gaming rig when it comes to Apple anyways). We are talking standard laptop comparisons. For now, the average user who browses the internet and listens to iTunes has no need for more than 4 GB, for them Ultimate is quite pointless and not necessary for this comparison.

Anyways, 12 GB of RAM is ridiculous for a desktop. The most amount of RAM on a gaming video card I've seen is 2 GB. So with 12 GB and 4 GB in VRAM I think you should still be safe with Home Premium.
 
The thing that annoys me most about the Apple vs PC debate is that people always compare homebuilt PCs to Macs where you get cheaper OEM prices and other discounts. If you buy a PC from any other PC maker, you're going to be paying prices comparable to Apple prices. Apple has every right to limit the use of their OS. Deal with it or hack it on your own.
 
Many responses for this one:

#1: Ultimate is for gamers? Ultimate was a joke. Vista NEEDS at least 2GB to be usable. As of today, there are only 2-3 games that ACTUALLY need more than 2GB. There isn't much software out there that needs a whole boat load of memory.

#2: Vista will be gone in 2 months, it will die. Windows7 will run on 512mb like Vista does with 2GB. I know, I've done. Its memory management is much better than Vista.

#3: Maxor127 : Uh no. Even a typical Name-brand PC is a lot cheaper than a mac. Lets take the Compaq $370 PC from BestBuy/online. It includes an AMD 2.5Ghz CPU / 3GB RAM / 320GB HD / DVD Burner / Standard CPU and upgradable. Thats not the CHEAPEST PC, but is a low-cost one with performance. Its on par with the Mac Mini, CPU wise.

Mac Mini (at Best Buy) = $600, Core2Duo 2.0 / 1GB / 120GB HD. Its onboard graphics is a bit (not a lot) better than the Compaq. But the Compaq is upgradeable. Oh, for the $600, it doesn't include keyboard or mouse... so add $100. But the MacMini does include a wireless ethernet. (A $25~50 add-on for a desktop).

Okay... lets go with an IMac with a 24" display.
$1500 = 2.6Ghz C2D / 4GB / 640GB HD / GF9400m (non upgradable) graphics.

Lets go with a Dell Slim PC with a 24" screen.
$730 = 2.8Ghz C2D / 6GB / 750GB HD / Intel graphics. (Spend $50~75 on an add-on board for better graphics).

Half PRICE! if wireless is needed its a cheap add-on.

#4 - No No No. OS-X is not Linux. OS-X is based off of NeXT Step. Its older than Linux.

#5 - pretty much ANY big company is ripping off someone. Microsoft, IBM, Apple, etc. What, only the health insurance companies are raping you?
 
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