Quad-Core AMD Opteron deliver world record web performance

[evilshuriken]

Well. I used to think he was just a good troll. But now I'm not so sure, I mean, who puts that much effort into being a troll?
So I concluded that he must not be a troll at all, but in fact, a true "believer".

 

[Reynod]

I just love how the ratings are going ...

 

[BaronMatrix]

:lol: How can you not see the sarcasm dripping from every one of his posts?! No -real- poster ever says things like "AMD4Life!" and "they have the moral victory" 😉

If you want to see a true blind fanboy look up BaronMatrix 😗 (either that or he owns a lot of AMD stock..)

Posts like this may make me start rating some of this drivel. What does this post have to do with me?

 

[homerdog]

^Sorry Baron, that was pretty inappropriate. Edited

BTW, I didn't know you were posting here again. Should I take this as a sign that AMD has something big up its sleeve?

 

[BaronMatrix]

The funniest thing about that is that it's the 8356 NOT the 8360SE. I can imagine what the Shanghai @ 2.7GHz will do. From some of the numbers in HPC, Nehalem WON'T close the gap. Intel's own Penryn release numbers show the 2.3Barcelona outrunning a 2.93Penryn and close to a 3.2GHz. I believe Anand posted those numbers a few months ago. LS-DYNA and Fluent were the apps in question.

 

[jimmysmitty]

^Um a die shrink? Maybe add 10%. Thats all really. And don't talk about what you don;t know BM.

Oh and I know its you doing the down rating. Real mature.

 

[homerdog]

The funniest thing about that is that it's the 8356 NOT the 8360SE. I can imagine what the Shanghai @ 2.7GHz will do. From some of the numbers in HPC, Nehalem WON'T close the gap. Intel's own Penryn release numbers show the 2.3Barcelona outrunning a 2.93Penryn and close to a 3.2GHz. I believe Anand posted those numbers a few months ago. LS-DYNA and Fluent were the apps in question.

Got any links? I'd like to know more about Shangai seeing as how AMD seems to be keeping everyone in the dark. If it can beat Nehalem in HPC like you say it can that would be something... Nehalem is going to be a HPC beast.

 

[MU_Engineer]

and lets be honest most management couldn't tell you the difference between a 3.6 ghz P4 and a e4400. All they see is the big numbers and they are sold on the product.

Most people here couldn't tell the difference between a 3.6 GHz P4 and an E4400 without looking as they are roughly the same performance in single-threaded apps and both show up as two CPUs in Task Manager. Almost all office apps are single-threaded, so the two processors feel very similar.

hell go down to a local best buy and watch people get sold on a bigger LCD over better components in the box...........

Even the cheapest hardware today has more than enough power to do typical home-user stuff (Web browsing, e-mail, consumer digital photography, playing music), so a larger, higher-resolution monitor is more useful for those purposes than faster CPUs that would spend 99% of their time idling.

 

[BaronMatrix]

Got any links? I'd like to know more about Shangai seeing as how AMD seems to be keeping everyone in the dark. If it can beat Nehalem in HPC like you say it can that would be something... Nehalem is going to be a HPC beast.

Find Intel's benchmarks for Penryn server. LS-DYN and Fluent. I'd do it but...

 

[homerdog]

^Huh? Remember, it's Shanghai vs Nehalem; Penryn will be phasing out by the time AMD get to 45nm 😉

 

[jimmysmitty]

I was going to say what does Penryn have to do with Nehalem? Nehalem is a whole new beast and has a IMC with links as fast as (or faster Im not sure which as I have seen both sayings) AMDs HTT 3.0.

 

[homerdog]

^Common System Interface is faster than HyperTransport, which isn't to say that HT is slow but CSI is very fast. The interface doesn't matter as much in the desktop market, but in HPC it can make all the difference along with an IMC.

I still don't see how Shanghai could be faster than Nehalem at anything, but as is always that case with AMD I would love to be wrong. A world without AMD is not a world I want to see

 

[jimmysmitty]

^Agree. I have been lead to believe (from some AMD fans here) that Shanghai is the desktop version of Deneb. Or is it the other way around?

I don't see a die shrink making Barcy get a 25% performance jump. If it was a die shrink and a rework of the arch maybe. But not when its just a die shrink.

I still cannot believe that Baron wants to use Penryns results (considering Penryn is still on the FSB) as proof that Nehalem will not be faster.

I did read that the CSI (QPI now) on the next Itanium, Tulkila?, is as fast as a 4P AMD server. But I am not that sure. And we will have to wait and see the results on both Shanghai and Nehalem, especially Nehalem to see if Intel is able to impliment the IMC and links good.

 

[ro3dog]

People you are getting really crazy with the grading of posts.The thing about it is that points are being devalued with out though and with that makes the thread invalid.I am an AMD fan,but fair is fair.Please read the post ,twice if you have to, but don't just mark them down.Antonmadcow do make very little sense most times though.

 

[jimmysmitty]

^Yup. And you notice its only to those who are not AMD fans that are getting graded down. And funny things is most of the ones I get graded down on are either infomation or non AMD bashing just talking.

Its a sad sad world we live in.

 

[ro3dog]

THG needs to fix it or given us the ability who is grading

 

[NMDante]

Ah, it's just a little toy for those that just think that anything negative about AMD is AMD bashing.
I'm sure this will get voted down, only because of what I typed, even though there is nothing negative towards AMD.
It's just childish behavior.
I frankly don't care, but if they want to make this place into an AMD fansite, there are many already in existence.

 

[homerdog]

I still cannot believe that Baron...

Well I hate to go back to the Baron bashing, but surely you can believe he would use irrelevant benchmarks to prove his "point." That's kinda what he does 😉

Back on topic, Shangai is more than 'just' a die shrink. It triples the L3 cache and has some other enhancements which should improve IPC quite a bit in certain applications. Whether it will be enough to take on Nehalem is questionable, I lean towards "no way in hell," but we'll see

 

[jimmysmitty]

Its for anything that seems like AMD bashing or those who have talked negative about AMD beofre or those like me who disagree with BM.

Where I disagree is the crap he spreads and thats all. Fun times.

Soon this site will be crap. It was so nice in the begining.

 

[speedbird]

TC was the person who promoted the rating system. I mean it's always been there, but it was pretty much ignored before. I'm not laying all the blame at TC, but it certainly started it off I believe.

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/251608-10-declare-rabid-fanboys-flaming

 

[BaronMatrix]

^Huh? Remember, it's Shanghai vs Nehalem; Penryn will be phasing out by the time AMD get to 45nm 😉

From t

 

[homerdog]

TC was the person who promoted the rating system. I mean it's always been there, but it was pretty much ignored before. I'm not laying all the blame at TC, but it certainly started it off I believe.

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/251608-10-declare-rabid-fanboys-flaming

Unfortunately it looks like TC's plan is backfiring...

Soon this site will be crap. It was so nice in the begining.

Here's hoping I don't get banned for agreeing with you 😗

 

[jimmysmitty]

^The difference was that he only wanted to use it to block out the troll posts like those by kassler at the time.

Of course you see it never went through until recently.

 

[jimmysmitty]

Unfortunately it looks like TC's plan is backfiring...

Here's hoping I don't get banned for agreeing with you 😗

Yes TCs plan is backfiring. The trolls are down grading the ones with the links to proof.

I think the last thing I like about THG is the way they stick up for PC gamers. But the forums is on a very slippery sloap with only one ski left and heading for a cliff. I just don't want to be there when they go plunging.

 

[BaronMatrix]

^Huh? Remember, it's Shanghai vs Nehalem; Penryn will be phasing out by the time AMD get to 45nm 😉

My keyboard is possessed. I was using Penryn as a baseline. It's(Nehalem) supposedly 20% faster and not due to HyperThreading. See Anand. Things are totally different with K10 (K10.5) in server. We've already seen the proof with this very post. Intel is 500MHz ahead in clockspeed. Well, really 700MHz based on 2356(2.3GHz).

I'm not saying Intel doesn't have a chance but remember there will be no MP Nehalem this year. I heard Q209. Shanghai also upgrades to HT3 links which will really count in heavy multithreaded loads. AMD is being hush-hush because they are emphasizing Deneb improvements. Fudo thinks it will beat Yorkfield.

A 15-20% improvement (reported) over K10 just makes the wall for Nehalem higher, especially in server loads.