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Well, the wording of the headline is quite specific. So, I'm sure it's possible to fudge 10%.

I can't remember exactly where I saw it, but as I understand it, total PC (laptop) sales for ARM are less than 2%. What gives?

Ill try find the article and link it.
 
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If the ARM PC can't do all the things an x86 PC can do, it's only Microsoft's fault.
It means their x86_64 to armv9 wrapper systems are unfinished.
The PC themselves are not at fault...

I would definitely buy an ARM PC if I had to, to get rid of obsolete x86, and open the way for a CPU market where REAL competition exists.

When/if Nvidia release their desktop class ARM CPU at the end of the year to build gamer ARM PCs, things will change significantly.

We just need to be a little bit patient.
 
ekio said:
If the ARM PC can't do all the things an x86 PC can do, it's only Microsoft's fault.
It means their x86_64 to armv9 wrapper systems are unfinished.
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I've got news for you, it will never be "finished". Apple is on it's 4th generation and it's not finished.
ekio said:
The PC themselves are not at fault...
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Well, except for the fact that they aren't designed for the programs that people are using. Only for the OS they are using. It's not as fine a distinction as you think.
ekio said:
I would definitely buy an ARM PC if I had to, to get rid of obsolete x86, and open the way for a CPU market where REAL competition exists.
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Real competition has existed since x86 has. The first CPU I installed was in an IBM PC v.2 I was repairing and was an x86 clone made by NEC. While NEC and many others have dropped out over the decades, there has always been competition.
ekio said:
When/if Nvidia release their desktop class ARM CPU at the end of the year to build gamer ARM PCs, things will change significantly.
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It might be interesting, but consider that gaming is actually the hardest thing you can attempt in this space. It may take many, many years before we're comfortable buying a ARM gaming rig.
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We just need to be a little bit patient.
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Yeah, or a LOT patient. ARM was designed to be efficient. Younger people don't understand that the first RISC "revolution" happened in the 90's. IBM lost HUGE on it, only it's excellent ThinkPad laptops kept it in the PC business at all until it sold out to Lenovo. So, I'm still skeptical.

The interesting thing is that Apple can do it because of it's walled garden. It could, for instance be done in business where the computers are managed, and installed software is tightly controlled, but business is the most skeptical of ARM laptops right now. If you have worked in corporate IT you know why.
 
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"But it will likely take time, and we can only wait and see if the Qualcomm CEO’s prediction that the Snapdragon X chips will take 50% of the Windows PC market by 2029 will come true."

That won't be happening. Their claims of 10% is not accurate. This is just another attempt by a company to get people worked up so they will jump on the Band Wagon because their product is "The Future". I don't see myself building/buying one of these over an AMD/Intel based system by 2029. I especially don't see 50% of all Windows users going Qualcomm in that time period.
 
Sluggotg said:
"But it will likely take time, and we can only wait and see if the Qualcomm CEO’s prediction that the Snapdragon X chips will take 50% of the Windows PC market by 2029 will come true."

That won't be happening. Their claims of 10% is not accurate. This is just another attempt by a company to get people worked up so they will jump on the Band Wagon because their product is "The Future". I don't see myself building/buying one of these over an AMD/Intel based system by 2029. I especially don't see 50% of all Windows users going Qualcomm in that time period.
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It won't be Qualcomm, Qualcomm is in trouble for sure from early next year at latest, as Nvidia is entering the market and is going in hard and also AMD is entering the ARM's race next year. Qualcomm has a headstart, but more people will associate with Nvidi'as name in the long run. Nvidia is said to be going straight for AMD's jugular with powerful iGPU to take down Halo. All talk at this stage but 2026 should be an eventful year for ARM laptops.
 
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They don't have a single device that's under $900, what are they on?
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Checking my local Microcenter's site, there's three X Plus devices with an MSRP under $900... but they're offering $100-400 off MSRP on most Snapdragon X laptops, which puts the street price under $900 on 15 models, under $800 on 5 models... and 3 models have been marked down below $700.

There's almost certainly some questions as to how real MSRP is intended to be on these and how much they expected them to get marked down so retailers could show a "savings"... but lots of discounts doesn't seem like a sign of strong demand.
 
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Why does Qualcomm keep thinking it needs to over-promise how successful their Arm laptops are going to be, and now over-sell how much success they've achieved? Are they afraid investors won't support the effort, if they're more realistic about how long it's going to take for the market to build? This was always going to be a long term project. The x86 blockade is a tough one to crack, but I think they can eventually do it.
 
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I find it funny. Intel/AMD have been using RISC in their x86 processors for a long time. They are all 100% RISC, only the x86 emulator is hardware at the processor firmware level. What do you think are the chances of Qualcomm or Apple to surpass those who have eaten a ton of dogs over 20 years on the x86 hardware emulator in the RISC instruction? None. As soon as Intel gets a better process technology, the song of Apple/Qualcomm (and AMD too) will be sung... Although Intel was undoubtedly bankrupt, it turned out to be "too big to fail" and was pulled out by subsidies from US taxpayers...

Let me remind everyone that AMD shares have been falling for 3 years, having already fallen by 2 times. Investors are not fools at all and understand what is going on after Intel is pulled out of the swamp...

AMD had a chance to become number 1 on the planet, but they have already missed it due to their own fault.
 
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I find it funny. Intel/AMD have been using RISC in their x86 processors for a long time. They are all 100% RISC, only the x86 emulator is hardware at the processor firmware level. What do you think are the chances of Qualcomm or Apple to surpass those who have eaten a ton of dogs over 20 years on the x86 hardware emulator in the RISC instruction? None. As soon as Intel gets a better process technology, the song of Apple/Qualcomm (and AMD too) will be sung... Although Intel was undoubtedly bankrupt, it turned out to be "too big to fail" and was pulled out by subsidies from US taxpayers...

Let me remind everyone that AMD shares have been falling for 3 years, having already fallen by 2 times. Investors are not fools at all and understand what is going on after Intel is pulled out of the swamp...

AMD had a chance to become number 1 on the planet, but they have already missed it due to their own fault.
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Breaking down instructions to internal micro-OPs is not the same thing as RISC (for that matter modern ARM chips also break complex instructions to simpler micro-OPs too). RISC is a much more broad philosophy of architecture design, and the internals of AMD & Intel hardly follow most of those principles. For that matter, modern ARM chips don't either; despite its name I would not consider ARM to actually be RISC architecture anymore, but that is another debate.

And as for Intel getting better process technology than TSMC, well I will believe it when I see it. They have been claiming that will be catching up any day now for years, and TSMC is not a moving target. Bailout money can easily be a double edged sword; lots of companies have gotten lazy and complacent when they know the government faucet is turned on. And Intel at this point will need a sizeable process advantage to compete against AMD. Right now Arrow Lake's compute tile is using TSMC's N3B process, which is more advanced than the N4 AMD is using for its Zen 5 chiplets, yet Zen 5 CPUs have little trouble matching or beating Arrow Lake in most tasks.
 
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Right now Arrow Lake's compute tile is using TSMC's N3B process, which is more advanced than the N4 AMD is using for its Zen 5 chiplets, yet Zen 5 CPUs have little trouble matching or beating Arrow Lake in most tasks.
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That's right. But "smart money" has been selling AMD shares for 3 years...
 
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Qualcomm says it owns 10% of Windows PC sales from October to December 2024 — but only for retail and only for devices worth $800 and up.

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I bought a Surface Laptop with a Snapdragon, but I really don't use it and I have no plans to buy another in the near future. Why? It has absolutely nothing on my ThinkPad Carbon X1 except more battery life, at the expense of being worse at practically everything I need it to do. Not supporting full drivers for printer and scanner for even super popular devices makes it really tough to use - it reminds me of other ARM Surface devices I own. Many old programs don't work properly (or at all). And, the gaming experience is terrible - it doesn't matter how many games work well if the one game you want to play doesn't.
 
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Let me remind everyone that AMD shares have been falling for 3 years, having already fallen by 2 times. Investors are not fools at all and understand what is going on after Intel is pulled out of the swamp...
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AMD share price hit its all time high just under a year ago. Stating it's been in a continuous decline for 3 years is blatantly false. And if AMD's price drop is due to investors expecting Intel to make a resurgence, why is INTC doing so poorly?
 
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logged in on an account from more than a decade ago just to say that the battery life claim is still basically a pipe dream, as when running 32 bit programs the x elite has about as much grunt on 100w as an e8600. yeah youll get your day long battery life if your install is clean and you do nothing besides youtube, but its such a non scenario.
 
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