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I've searched high and low for a resolution to this problem, so I figured I would come to the forums here to see if someone knows of a way to fix it.

I currently have an 8800GTS 640mb EVGA card, this is my second one actually. Both cards have performed oddly to me, with artifacting occurring (at desktop or in game or during a test, seems completely random) at a resolution of 1600x1200. I haven't had it occur at lower resolutions, but it just doesn't look right on a 20.1" LCD to have a lower resolution. Anyway, I was wondering if anyone here has come across this issue before or know of a way to resolve it.

Otherwise I've gotten to the point where dealing with mediocre performance from a high end card (works great except the artifacting and random black screen flashes) has turned me away from nVidia and decided to pick up one of these 2900XTs instead. At the same price for similar(although sometimes lower) performance, it's a hit I'm willing to take to have a card that functions properly.
 
Have you checked the temps??
Have you checked that the fan is spinning??
And try to underclock the cards a bit cause they are really suffering by showing artifacts in windows(idle).
Another guess would be your power supply.Check that too!
 
all the temperatures are within normal ranges according to EVGA...
power supply is an antec 650 watt
running amd 4600+ X2 2gb ram 250gb hdd, sata dvd drive...
 
The fact that you say its your 2nd 8800GTS card suggests you might have a problem with your system, and not with the GFx cards.

PSU might be at fault! I have read on other forums, guys complaining about the Antec 650 PSU.
 
650watts should be enough though, right? can't imagine needing more than that...

Only reason I never thought PSU was it doesn't matter whether the system is under load or not, and the only time i had a problem previously with the PSU was when it was obvious the system wouldn't get enough under load...

but, stranger things have happened. i can check it out tomorrow.
 
I've searched high and low for a resolution to this problem, so I figured I would come to the forums here to see if someone knows of a way to fix it.

I currently have an 8800GTS 640mb EVGA card, this is my second one actually. Both cards have performed oddly to me, ... has turned me away from nVidia ...
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Your logic is broken. If you've tried 2 cards and they both do it, and no one else is reporting such problems, then its something to do with the rest of your PC not the cards so don't blame nVidia.

Are you using the latest nVidia drivers? Perhaps your PSU is failing, or perhaps you just have such a low-end PC it can't keep up with the video card at that high res.
 
Is $300 a year to keep fairly up to date that tough to manage?
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If I try hard enough I can feed myself for 3 months on that much.

Don't know about you but I'd rather a full belly than full settings.

Well if you can't afford to do both then you're right , but for most of us that can, he's right.
 
Is $300 a year to keep fairly up to date that tough to manage?
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If I try hard enough I can feed myself for 3 months on that much.

Don't know about you but I'd rather a full belly than full settings.

Well if you can't afford to do both then you're right , but for most of us that can, he's right.

Hell you don't even need to spend that much.

I just paid $175.00 CAN for a 7900GS.
 
Hell, you can get an X1950XT on NewEgg for $170. That'll handle anything out fairly easily.
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Wow. Good find. Now only if they shipped to Canada....

Seem to be running $270 range for 256MB and $350 for 512 (up here I mean).

Just goes to show you don't need to be rich, just patient.
 
My intial impression (from other sites) of the 2900xt was that it was only even with a 8800gts (or a little better). Looking over the benches on Tom's paints a different picture. We'll have to wait for a clearer picture re drivers and such, but part of the reason Tom's put it against the 8800gtx (a rather more expensive card) I suppose is because of these numbers that put it above the gts, not even with it. It's looking like this version will fall between the gts and gtx, which is actually a nice position in several ways.
 
http://www2.tomshardware.com/2007/05/14/r600_finally_dx10_hardware_from_ati/
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Before we go any further, I would like to include a preface about what you are going to read. You undoubtedly will read several other Websites looking for more detail or additional benchmark results. Do, though, remain on guard against biases that can taint your opinions. There are a lot of angles as to how information from the companies gets into your hands. We sign agreements so we can have an inside look before launch but some break those agreements. Such is life. The problem with that is the information is not always full or accurate: "Does it have this or that?" "AMD is done for!." "Nvidia will get crushed!" Speculation is fun to read but it needs to be taken with a smidgen of understanding and awareness that all of the information is not on the table. That leaves you having to take one person's opinions at face value... that isn't always a healthy thing to do.

The other side of the story is how companies try to taint the opinions of those writing the stories about their products. To give you both sides, ATI flew over 200 writers and editors to Tunis, Tunisia, for two days and nights of technical briefings and fun. While this, plus a pair of graphics cards, is enough to sway the opinions of some, there are those who remain unbiased. At the same time, a launch would not be a normal one without backlash from Nvidia. A wealth of information hits writers like a broadside of comments and rebuttals. It also never ceases to amaze me how fast a driver can be produced when the competition might have the upper hand in something. So the miracle driver made available to fix known issues and push performance.

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Thanks a lot man.
I like people who are able to stay objective even when rich companies try buy their "vote", their "heart", their "brain", their soul.


I prefer read detail article who talk about real things that short article who just want put powder to our eyes.

Hopefully Tom's Hardware exist and can give us real "beat" of things.
One thousant thanks !!!!!!!!!!

Long life to Tom's Hardware !!!!!!!!!!
 
Hopefully the drivers will improve performance, because right now it is hit or miss. In some games, the 2900XT beats a 8800GTX, and in others, it loses to a 8800 GTS 320. This would imply to me that the 2900 has the power, but ATI screwed up the drivers. A six month delay and the drivers are still running like betas. How embarassing. 😳 :lol:
 
In my opinion ATI still haven't got an answer to the 8800 GTX at the moment, I actually believe this could be the end of them competing at the very high end with Nvidia. I think the 2900XT was originally designed to beat the 8800 GTX but it clearly doesn't which is why they have priced it lower. To have the most powerful card is what ATI and Nvidia ALWAYS try to achieve when they bring out a new line of cards and ATI have failed this time round. I reckon Nvidia have probably got a lot still up their sleeve and their next high end product is going to obliterate anything ATI can produce.
 
It's known that the 2900xt wasn't to be the high end part, which was to be called the 2900xtx or something like that. The 2900xt is instead only an important part, anlogous to the 8800gts (but newer and looks to be above that point) imo. Re the xtx on the other hand, it probably either can't beat the 8800gtx or isn't practical yet re power use, etc. But...we can't really say much about what will happen, imo, since ati is presumably working still. In the meanwhile, the 2900xt looks to be fairly priced for now, imo.
 
In my opinion ATI still haven't got an answer to the 8800 GTX at the moment, I actually believe this could be the end of them competing at the very high end with Nvidia.
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Not a chance, the R700 is still in the pipe and AMD has already said their long term strategy depends on the high end until they transition to Fusion and VPCPUs.

I think the 2900XT was originally designed to beat the 8800 GTX but it clearly doesn't which is why they have priced it lower.
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I don't understand what is so difficult to get about this. There's a difference between the CHIP and the card, if you don't know the difference stop posting, it's best for everyone.

The HD2900XT was not originally designed to beat the GTX, if anything the XTX was. Now that the XTX didn't come out doesn't change the XT to now being the card designed to beat the GTX, it is still the card designed to beat the GTS which it looks like it may achieve in some areas, and miss in others. The XT's lower memory amount, lower clocks shows it wasn't near the top of it's potential so it's been cut back for price concerns, not performance concerns, so that's not a high end part.

Now the R600 most definitely was meant to dethrone the G80, and at this point in the game it has failed in that.

To have the most powerful card is what ATI and Nvidia ALWAYS try to achieve when they bring out a new line of cards and ATI have failed this time round.
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Actually the 'most powerful card' is a PR issue, nV brought out the less powerful card in the GF7900, so your 'ALWAYS' doesn't rely fit now does it? The main thing is if it's not worth the money to make the XTX, the smart thing to do, like in the past for both companies, is to sell the money making card, like nV did with the GF6800GT.

I reckon Nvidia have probably got a lot still up their sleeve and their next high end product is going to obliterate anything ATI can produce.
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:roll:

Sure, and I 'reckon' that S3 will come out with a super-secret uber part that destroys them both and leaves scar tissue on intel. :tongue:
 
your an idiot who has no knowledge of history.
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LOL you muppet I have been buying the fastest graphics cards in the world for years my friend and have am quite confident that I have plenty of knowledge, speaking as someone who bought the first graphic accelerator cards (3dfx).

Ape, in the graphic card market it is very important to ATI and Nvidia whether their card is the fastest. This is a massive PR win over their rival. My point is this, I can't see why ATI would take so long to develop a card that doesn't beat their rival and take the performance crown, unless they simply couldn't. This way Nvidia don't have to drop their price and ATI lose in my opinion the most significant market sector, the top end. I have been buying ATI cards for quite a while as their card was the most powerful at the time when i came to upgrade. I actually waited for the R600 to come out and did not buy an 8800 GTX becuase of this. Now I am gutted and wished I had becuase I have missed out on months of better quality gaming and I bet there are many people out there in the same position.

Nvidia have had their 8800 GTX card out for months, I think we can safely say they haven't been twiddling their thumbs. I also reckon they bought out the the Ultra version of the 8800 GTX just before ATI were due to release the R600 to make ATI's new range look even more inferior. If the 2900 XT was not due to compete with the 8800 GTX where is the card that was? I have not heard about the XTX but do they expect people to wait even longer? I am not.
 
the best post i have ever seen in this thread. there is no card that future proof because there will be a next card out every 6 months. and people will go to buy that. so saying R600 is more future proof is just absurd.
 
the best post i have ever seen in this thread. there is no card that future proof because there will be a next card out every 6 months. and people will go to buy that. so saying R600 is more future proof is just absurd.
 
Their Fusion will fail & then the 3rd world war will start between ATI & nVIDIA's Fanboys and then some Nuclear bombs will destroy the whole Earth and then we will spend the eternity together fighting each other about ATI & nVIDIA!(Wow, that's gonna fun! :twisted: )
 
dude check your post again it's FarCry NOT FartCry. who's little boy smart a ss
 
if your so knowledable then why aren't you aware of the see-sawing of the performance crown that has always happened.
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OMFG What see sawing performance crown? That is my point. The crown hasn't see sawed this time. As you say, normally when ATI or nvidia bring their new range it takes the crown but ATI have failed this time. This isn't a "noobish, knee-jerk sensationalism attitude" this is a fact. Nvidia are going to be racking up sales and guess where the money is going to go? R & D on their next project which will raise the bar even higher
 
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