[SOLVED] radiator fan configuration

Jul 23, 2019
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I have been up all night on my first build, and I realized that the aio I bought has rgb fans that are designed to push air through the radiator and out the case, but I also bought noctua fans that are supposed to do exactly the same thing on the top of the case. I really am so new at this that I don't know if there is any way to fix this other than flipping the noctua around.

I've been told you don't want to pull air in from the top because heat rises. I could put the aio fans behind the radiator but then you can't see the RGB. Is there some sort of indication when you buy a aio whether it's a push or pull? did I miss something like an idiot.

Sorry if it seems a bit like a rant, I'm exhausted and frustrated. I'm not even sure if I'm asking a question but any information you guys can give would be greatly appreciated.

I have noctua NF - S12b Redux 1200 pwm fans, and the Enermax liq Fusion AIO in a lian-li pc-o11 dynamic case.
 
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I gather, then, that you want those RGB lights to be highly visible from the OUTside of the case. You are not trying to make them show clearly on the INside. So first, my suggestion about how to achieve that for the FRONT panel still holds if your location is on the side. That involved two deviations from original design. You'd have to be able to mount the fans on the side of the rad OPPOSITE from the hose connections, and with the RGB lights facing out so the fan still pushes air through the rad. THEN you'd have to find a way to mount that assembly to the inside of the case on the right side. Could those be done? Of course, this would convert those rad fans into INTAKE fans, but some people prefer that because the air flowing through...
I am a little confused by your question. I am guessing you have a 240mm rad with (2) 120mm RGB fans and (2) 120mm Noctua PWM fans and you want to use all 4 fans. And you want the RGB fans to be visible.

In order to do that you will need to do a push/pull configuration on your fans. You will want to sandwhich the radiator between the 4 fans. Place the radiator on top of the case (so the RGB will be visible). Place the RGB fans on the bottom of the rad in the position where they are pushing air through the radiator. Then place the Noctua fans on top of the radiator where they are pulling the air through. In the end both fans should be blowing the air the same direction (out of the case).

Not all cases can support push/pull, if yours does not, then you should hook up the radiatyor in the front of the case and have your noctua fans bringing air in. The hookup your RGB fans at the top of the case exhausting air. This way your rad will be setup and you can see the rgb fans.
 
It is a 360 aio and three fans. the only problem is if I put the noctua fans on the rad I would have to turn them around and the back end of the fans are quite ugly. the case I have is the Lian Li PC o11 dynamic with side and front acrylic glass. doing a push-pull is an option if I want a giant hole in the side of my case

I wanted to mount the radiator on the side and the fans on the top, but for some stupid reason I made the mistake of getting all fans that push. turning them around is an option I admit, but why have a case with all this glass just to have ugly fans.

I guess I'm more frustrated than anything. thanks for the reply I appreciate it.

Ps. Sorry if I come off as a jerk I'm tired.
 
You are right about what you read. Ideally the air intake should be from the front, and exhausts at top and rear. By the way, ignore the "hot air rises" old rule. That applies ONLY to when you have no other force pushing air around. In a case you have LOTS of fans moving air, and they vastly overpower whatever effect hot air rising has.

If I understand correctly you did not intend to have a push-pull configuration on your radiator. I think you meant to have the radiator with push fans only (2 of them) as designed, plus two Noctua fans in a different location. Unfortunately, the AIO system you have appears to be designed so that the fans' INTAKE sides are where the RGB rings are, and they normally are mounted on the INSIDE of the radiator to blow out through the rad. This makes the RGB effect not so obvious from the outside. If you want to do that, then the rad and fans should be mounted in the top of your case and directed as exhaust fans drawing air from inside the case. Then the two Noctua fans can be mounted in the case front as intake fans. You have not mentioned a rear exhaust fan, but you probably should have one.

There MAY be another way, but this is NOT shown in the manual for the AIO system, so you''ll need to inspect and check spacing carefully. I'm attempting here to find a way to get the rad and its fans on the front as air intakes, with the RGB rings facing out of the front grille. Then the Noctua fans can go into the top location as exhaust fans. So, how to do this? The photos of the AIO system show the two fans mounted on the SAME side of the rad as the hoses to the pump. The rad MUST be mounted with the hoses pointing inside the case. But look closely at the other side of the rad - are there holes there to allow you to mount the fans on the side of the rad OPPOSITE the hose side? If so, you could mount the fans with their RGB rings facing out and they still will blow into the rad, just from the opposite side from the original design. THEN comes the tricky part. The original intent was that the rad would be mounted right up against the case. Is there a way to mount the rad in your case front with longer bolts and spacers or something to allow for the space taken up already by the fans on the "wrong" side of the rad? If so, you could end up with the order (outside to inside) of case front grille, case front frame, RGB fans with rings pointed to the front of the case, radiator, and hose pointing inside the case.

Another alternative with less front exposure of the RGB rings to the front. Can the fans be mounted on the "correct" (hose) side of the rad only reversed so that the rings point right into the rad? If so, then you could assemble that way and then mount the rad and fans in the case front with the rad to the outside and the fans on the inside. This would convert the fans to a "pull" configuration as far as the rad is concerned, but as air intakes on the case front. The glow of the rings would show through the rad at the front, but that would not be quite as striking as having the rings directly against the case front grille.

The last option would be to interchange the fans. That is, put the Noctuas on the rad in the top exhaust location, and the RGB fans as intakes in the front with rings aimed out for visibility. However, those Noctua fans are NOT designed for use with the narrow air flow channels of a radiator, so I presume they would not provide the same cooling efficiency as the fans supplied with the Enermax AIO system
 
OOOPS! Now I see you have THREE fans on a 360mm rad. And how many Noctuas?

Now wait. You wanted to have the RGB lights showing INSIDE your case because it has glass sides. BUT you also wanted their rings to be clearly visible from OUTSIDE? Can't do that with fans mounted on a radiator! Do you want the fans with lights visible from the outside to be seen from the front or the top? Maybe what you want is the AIO rad and fans mounted at top as designed and visible inside through the glass doors, PLUS other ARGB fans mounted in the front just as air intakes with lights? Then the Noctuas are not what you need at the front.

You have not told us your mobo. IF you plan to control the ARGB lights in the AIO system (and others?) from a mobo header, then your mobo would need the ARGB type of header, not the plain RGB type. What mobo do you have?
 
As I stated before, my case is a Lian Li PC o11 dynamic which has a side acrylic panel and a front acrylic panel.

there is no way to mount anything on the front of the case. they're mounting brackets for fans on the bottom, top, and right side of the case. there is also no way to mount a fan on the back. I intended to mount the aio radiator on the right side and the three noctua fans on the top which would allow you to see the RGB fans from both the front and side of the case. But like an idiot I did not check if the rgb fans where push or pull. If I put the noctua's on the right side the ugly side would be facing out.
I'm slowly coming to the realization that I'm just going to have to buy different RGB fans for the radiator. it's not what I want to do but it's probably what I'm going to have to do.
 
I gather, then, that you want those RGB lights to be highly visible from the OUTside of the case. You are not trying to make them show clearly on the INside. So first, my suggestion about how to achieve that for the FRONT panel still holds if your location is on the side. That involved two deviations from original design. You'd have to be able to mount the fans on the side of the rad OPPOSITE from the hose connections, and with the RGB lights facing out so the fan still pushes air through the rad. THEN you'd have to find a way to mount that assembly to the inside of the case on the right side. Could those be done? Of course, this would convert those rad fans into INTAKE fans, but some people prefer that because the air flowing through them to cool the CPU is outside cooler air. Then the top Noctuas would be exhaust fans, and overall that is a good arrangement.

Even if you were to change the fans, you'd have exactly the same problems to solve. However, MAYBE other fans' frames are built differently so that the whole task is easier.

This would not leave very much light inside the case. If you want lights on the inside, I can make two suggestions. One is, IF you replace the rad fans, then re-use those Enermax rad fans as the top exhaust fans (instead of the Noctuas). OR, add a few ARGB light strips mounted inside the case around the edges. In either of these situations, you would be adding ARGB lights to what you have already in those fans. This creates another factor to figure out. You have not told us what mobo you have , so the potential answer varies. Start with: most mobo ARGB headers can power and control a limited number of lighting devices. With the Enermax system you have three fans plus the pump lights, so that's four ARGB lighting devices. IF you are using the control box supplied with that system, it certainly can power all that, but I would not expect it to handle more lights. So any you add would need their own control box, and the two displays could NOT be synced. On the other hand, IF you plan to power and control all the lights from mobo ARGB headers, first you need those headers on the mobo. And again, I expect that no single mobo ARGB header could handle the four Enermax units PLUS several others. Thus, you would need a mobo with TWO ARGB headers. IF you have that, then the mobo ARGB lighting utility probably CAN sync all the lights on its two header ports.

As you say, the case does not have an obvious place on the rear panel to mount an exhaust fan. You probably do not need one there. Three top exhaust fans likely have more air flow capacity than the three rad fans mounted as intakes, because the rad itself reduces air flow from those fans. But IF you actually want a rear fan, there is an open grille in the back of the case apparently intended just for passive air flow. Depending on its dimensions, you probably could drill a few holes there and mount a fan, even if it's too small for a 120mm size. You can get 90mm or 80mm fans, too.

IF you choose to replace the Enermax fans with others on your rad, take into consideration these two points. Look for fans designed for use in high backpressure situations like a rad fan. They often are termed "pressure" fans, as opposed to "air flow" fans. Look closely at the specs for the fans. Most fans include specs for max air flow, and max pressure. The actual air flow delivered by any fan is reduced as the resistance to air flow (backpressure) is increased by items in the flow path. Those two specs can be viewed as two limiting points on a fan performance curve plotted as actual air flow versus backpressure. At zero backpressure (free air flow) you can get the max flow spec. At some higher backpressure (the max pressure spec) you get effectively zero air flow. Between those two points the "curve" is very roughly a straight line, so you can sketch your own graph for any fan from its specs. For an example, look at specs for the many models of Noctua fans. Now, Noctua does NOT sell any RGB lighted fans, so you won't be buying theirs for this, but the numbers are useful examples. Some of their fans are optimized for good air flow against minimal backpressure, and have pressure ratings of about 1.0 to 1.5 mm water. Others are designed for use on rads and CPU heatsinks, and have pressure ratings over 3.0 mm water. You need to find rad fans with those higher pressure ratings, plus good max airflow ratings. In fact, as you consider several fans models, you can sketch the "curves" for each on the same graph and compare at higher backpressures (to the right on the pressure axis).

The second point is to check the connectors for the ARGB lights on the fans. Some popular makers were early into this field and have used connectors that do not match what has become common among others, and on mobos. If you will be buying fans PLUS a matching ARGB control box and NOT trying to connect to a mobo header, that can be no issue. But if you do plan to use a second mobo ARGB header, ensure the fans' ARGB connector matches what the mobo header has.

Of course, you also need to keep in mind that there are two incompatible RGB lighting systems dominating now. The plain RGB system uses a 4-pin connection that includes a 12 VDC power source and three switched Ground lines for the three basic LED colours. The more advanced system (which is what your Enermax items use) is called Addressable RGB or ADDR RGB or ARGB and uses a three-pin connector (VERY like the 3-pin one but with one pin missing) that supplies +5 VDC and Ground lines plus a digital Control Line. Because both the power supply and the method of control of displays are very different, you can NOT mix these two systems on a single circuit. So you need to match the RGB lighting device type you have with the header type on your mobo IF you plan to power and control lights from such a header. The NAME of the RGB control software (ASUS Aura Sync, Gigabyte RGB Fusion, MSI Mystic Light, etc.) does NOT tell you this. You must examine the specs of the hardware header on the mobo to determine what type of system it uses. Sometimes you find both header types on a mobo, sometime not.
 
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