[SOLVED] RAM upgrade for Crosshair Hero VI ?

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Current build: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/MzVVVY

I currently running the 16 GB ram stable at 3200. Timings at 14-14-14-34, 1.35v. CPU is at 3.4 GHz.
I would like to increase the ram to 32 GB, but I’ve heard that this motherboard/CPU combo does not play nice if I was to just slap in an additional set of what I’m currently running (using all 4 slots).

What’s my cheapest option that won’t affect my RAM and CPU speeds? I’m not wanting to throw down ~$200 on a whole new set of RAM just for a marginal performance increase. Or am I best just holding on with my current set?

Crosshair Hero VI QVL: https://rog.asus.com/us/motherboards/rog-crosshair/rog-crosshair-vi-hero-model/helpdesk_qvl

Thanks in advance!
 
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Unless you are running large or multiple VMs, or applications where you KNOW you are running low on memory, you are better off to keep what you have now if you don't want to spent 200+ dollars on a new memory kit.

Besides which, with that first gen Ryzen, you are going to have a HARD time trying to run ANY four DIMM configuration with a memory kit as high speed as that one ESPECIALLY if you don't go with a kit that consists of ALL Samsung B die IC equipped DIMMs and those are getting harder to find and more expensive as time goes on.

Is there a specific reason you NEED 32GB? Because IF there is, you might want to consider upgrading to a 2nd or 3rd Gen Ryzen CPU which will more easily support larger DIMMs and high speed four DIMM...
Unless you are running large or multiple VMs, or applications where you KNOW you are running low on memory, you are better off to keep what you have now if you don't want to spent 200+ dollars on a new memory kit.

Besides which, with that first gen Ryzen, you are going to have a HARD time trying to run ANY four DIMM configuration with a memory kit as high speed as that one ESPECIALLY if you don't go with a kit that consists of ALL Samsung B die IC equipped DIMMs and those are getting harder to find and more expensive as time goes on.

Is there a specific reason you NEED 32GB? Because IF there is, you might want to consider upgrading to a 2nd or 3rd Gen Ryzen CPU which will more easily support larger DIMMs and high speed four DIMM configurations. First Gen Ryzen wasn't particularly good in this area. Second Gen was somewhat better but still had some issues. 3rd and 4th Gen are much better.

If this is a gaming system, there are very few situations where that much memory would even be advantageous anyhow, and if it's a work machine it might be worth considering a platform upgrade in addition to a new memory kit if there is a real need for the additional 16GB.
 
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Yeah it would mostly be for gaming, good to know about the stability of the first gen Ryzen with those speeds. If I wanted to upgrade to 32, what memory kit would you reccomend if price wasn't an issue? I was hoping it would help boost performance in Escape from Tarkov because its a bit of a memory hog but my other bottleneck is my GTX 970. I think I'll be waiting forever for graphic card prices to come down. It's looking more like I should start saving for a new build entirely.

Thank you for the detailed response! It is much appreciated.
 
Current build: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/MzVVVY

I currently running the 16 GB ram stable at 3200. Timings at 14-14-14-34, 1.35v. CPU is at 3.4 GHz.
I would like to increase the ram to 32 GB, but I’ve heard that this motherboard/CPU combo does not play nice if I was to just slap in an additional set of what I’m currently running (using all 4 slots).

What’s my cheapest option that won’t affect my RAM and CPU speeds? I’m not wanting to throw down ~$200 on a whole new set of RAM just for a marginal performance increase. Or am I best just holding on with my current set?

Crosshair Hero VI QVL: https://rog.asus.com/us/motherboards/rog-crosshair/rog-crosshair-vi-hero-model/helpdesk_qvl

Thanks in advance!
If you think you need 32GB look here.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B083TSLDF...40a9-9f3a-4514bbd840af&tag=microncsus-20&th=1
 
Here's my spiel on QVL. And for what it's worth, I MUCH MORE HIGHLY recommend trusting the G.Skill memory configurator, Corsair memory finder and Crucial advisor than I do the QVL lists. Especially since the QVL validation is done early in board development and most often many of those kits aren't even available anymore OR the DIMM composition has changed, since the validation by the board manufacturer. Not always, to be sure, but often enough to occasionally be problematic.

Crucial's is the "memory advisor". Corsair is the "memory finder". Neither of those two are nearly as good, IMO, as the G.Skill memory configurator, but still miles better than nothing which is what you get from most manufacturers that aren't one of those three.

Mushkin USED to have something similar but then they stopped offering it for some reason. Mushkin is good memory too, it's just unfortunate they don't have a validation tool anymore. I think I'd probably have to add Samsung to the list of memory manufacturers I'd buy from, but, only for OEM type systems or other things, like IOT machines that require memory, NAS box, etc.

Even then I'd be inclined to go with Crucial, but I'd take Samsung as well since obviously they are a fabricator and manufacturer, and often what you get from other manufacturers is actually Samsung parts anyhow.

As far as "where does it leave them", well, it doesn't leave them any worse off than they'd be if they just bought memory from some other manufacturer, and in fact, better off, because all three of those manufacturers will generally replace any kit that showed validation on a given motherboard but won't work, with few or no questions asked. So, you are still ahead of the game as compared to just buying some random brand or model.

And as compared to the motherboard QVL, sure, you CAN go that route, but there are two major problems with that.

One, you are EXTREMELY limited in your choices, because they only test about 5% of the memory kits that are out there that MIGHT work on any given board, ON that board.

Two, motherboard manufacturers tend to do a series of tests VERY early on, before the motherboard is ever released, and then NEVER test any additional memory kits on it again after that. You won't see motherboard manufacturers test new kits as they are released, at least not usually. It's usually test, then release board, then pretend like it never existed. The problem with this is that MANY of those kits they test on these boards, early on, might not even still be available later because the memory manufacturer has superceded that kit with something else, or changed the component makeup of that kit (As seen here: https://forums.tomshardware.com/threads/amd-ram-compatibility.3210050/#post-19785792 ) or simply stopped manufacturing that part number altogether because of production issues or changes in the supply chain.

So while you can probably find SOME of the kits, maybe even most, that are on the motherboard QVL list, they may or may not even still be the "same" memory that they were when they were first tested AND the number of kits on the QVL that are actually still available at some later date could change from trivially to drastically.

Plus, I have learned through a source that I won't mention because they had asked that I not disclose them, that at least some of the motherboard manufacturers don't actually test specific memory kits on each individual motherboard like the memory manufacturers do. I was told by this person that if three different motherboards (For example. Could be even more, or fewer, board models) by a given manufacturer all use the same VRM and chipset configuration, including the same selection of mosfets, driver ICs, capacitors and chokes, then they will only test whatever kits they are going to test for that "chipset/VRM configuration" on ONE of those boards, and then assume that those same kits will work find on the rest of them as well. This might or might not be true in some cases and is LIKELY why we see some memory kits, repeatedly, not work on boards they are supposedly compatible with, in addition to the potential for the memory manufacturer having changed the configuration and makeup of that kit.

There are OTHER things on the motherboard that COULD have an affect on memory compatibility, and while the chipset and VRM configuration is the biggest factor, it's unlikely that it is the only factor. There are other factors that could be involved as well but those would be getting into territory where I am ultimately neither familiar enough or knowledgeable enough to explain, or probably even understand.

In my experience, and in my personal opinion, G.Skill is making the best aftermarket memory kits out there followed pretty closely by Corsair. Obviously, both, and most all companies, are assemblers, not memory "manufacturers", because they are not fabs. Samsung is a fab, but aside from OEM type stuff they don't really have a presence in most regions in the aftermarket market.

https://www.gskill.com/configurator

https://www.corsair.com/us/en/Categories/Products/Memory/c/Cor_Products_Memory?type=motherboard

https://www.crucial.com/store/advisor
 
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Thank you for the detailed write up, this is very informative and helpful! I will take a look at the memory configurators and go from there. It's much appreciated!

For the X370 chipset & 1700x, is it best to run duel channel or all 4 slots?
 
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You are going to get mixed advice, everywhere.

BUT, in MY opinion, especially on first and second gen Ryzen, you are going to have a LOT more success if you stick to a two DIMM kit, regardless of overall capacity, but some chipsets might struggle with larger two DIMM kits, which is why I don't just offhand say go with two 16GB DIMMS. I think you are a lot better off to either stick with what you have now, which at one point would have been extremely impressive, or upgrade the whole platform. Again, just my opinion. YMMV.
 

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Might have some relevant/interesting info in this thread: View: https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/c61249/best_ram_for_asus_crosshair_vi_hero_ttopology/

Should be t-topology, which means the board should like 4 sticks. But at the same time B-die is harsh on the IMC. 4 sticks of it, even worse. B-die is the best performer, then and now, for a Ryzen system.
The first gen Ryzen had a weak IMC.

That said, I don't think it is the CPU or RAM. A new GPU would be top of my list. And if you don't already, install the game to an SSD. The other thing about EFT is, it is very clunky. Everything feels slow, every action. I hate clunky.