Question RAM Upgrade?

[thestryker]

Assuming when I upgrade my Mobo, I’d have to enter BIOS and go to XMP and find/input “3600”? And is 3600 MHz the best performance for DDR4 before going into DDR5?

I don't think it's worth buying anything higher than 3600 unless you have a clear upgrade path due to additional cost and how tricky it can be to run.

 

[Connor99z]

I don't think it's worth buying anything higher than 3600 unless you have a clear upgrade path due to additional cost and how tricky it can be to run.

RGB equivalent of that RAM you sent me? Or pointless, my PC atm you can’t even see inside as the plastic see through part is on the side facing the wall.. but it’s something ima want to do in the future, have it on display to see inside, I know everyone says RGB is pointless, depends what you want to do tho. I guess ATM I have far more problems then worrying about RAM RGB

 

[thestryker]

RGB equivalent of that RAM you sent me? Or pointless, my PC atm you can’t even see inside as the plastic see through part is on the side facing the wall.. but it’s something ima want to do in the future, have it on display to see inside, I know everyone says RGB is pointless, depends what you want to do tho. I guess ATM I have far more problems then worrying about RAM RGB

I view RGB as a completely personal thing, but if you're not 100% sure you'll be able to carry the DRAM forward I wouldn't spend anymore money than necessary. You'd probably be looking at another ~£10 for a different 3600 CL16 kit with RGB.

Both of these are close to the same latency wise as the prior kit I suggested:
G.Skill Trident Z Neo 32 GB
Corsair Vengeance RGB RT 32 GB

 

[Connor99z]

I view RGB as a completely personal thing, but if you're not 100% sure you'll be able to carry the DRAM forward I wouldn't spend anymore money than necessary. You'd probably be looking at another ~£10 for a different 3600 CL16 kit with RGB.

Both of these are close to the same latency wise as the prior kit I suggested:
G.Skill Trident Z Neo 32 GB
Corsair Vengeance RGB RT 32 GB

I was having a look at the G.Skill, is the original one you sent the C16 Corsair Vengeance the best speeds compared to the G.Skill equivalent and other brands for the 3600 C16s?

 

[thestryker]

I was having a look at the G.Skill, is the original one you sent the C16 Corsair Vengeance the best speeds compared to the G.Skill equivalent and other brands for the 3600 C16s?

The original Corsair kit I linked has the lowest overall latencies without spending a fair bit more. The CL14 kits are all at least double the price so I didn't really consider those as a viable choice.

This is probably the best possible kit you could get while not having the price go super high:
TEAMGROUP Dark Pro 8PACK Edition 32 GB

 

[Connor99z]

The original Corsair kit I linked has the lowest overall latencies without spending a fair bit more. The CL14 kits are all at least double the price so I didn't really consider those as a viable choice.

This is probably the best possible kit you could get while not having the price go super high:
TEAMGROUP Dark Pro 8PACK Edition 32 GB

That one says CAS 16-16-16-38
whereas the Corsair says
15-15-15-36
wouldnt the corsair be better?

NVM the tested latencies for the Teamgroup is alot better than the tested latencies for the corsair, i think im just going to go with the corsair.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B09DNPVR64

My PC is actually 7 years old, this is the RAM i have currently
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Corsair-CMK16GX4M2A2400C16-Vengeance-Performance-Desktop/dp/B017NW5NZY

So my RAM now effectivly is probably the same as the New RAM im going to buy, just 16GB More.

Should i also be worried about my CPU hitting 100% while gaming?
https://prnt.sc/IL1I-v715_T5

 

[beyondlogic]

That one says CAS 16-16-16-38
whereas the Corsair says
15-15-15-36
wouldnt the corsair be better?

NVM the tested latencies for the Teamgroup is alot better than the tested latencies for the corsair, i think im just going to go with the corsair.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B09DNPVR64

My PC is actually 7 years old, this is the RAM i have currently
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Corsair-CMK16GX4M2A2400C16-Vengeance-Performance-Desktop/dp/B017NW5NZY

So my RAM now effectivly is probably the same as the New RAM im going to buy, just 16GB More.

Should i also be worried about my CPU hitting 100% while gaming?
https://prnt.sc/IL1I-v715_T5

your cpu is hitting 100 percent because its a quad core with only 4 threads the cpu i mentioned is also a quad core but its a faster and can do double threaded work loads

e.g i5 6500 4 cores 4 threads

i7 7770 4 cores 8 threads.

in context even the consoles have 8 cores and 8 threads

16 latency vs 15 isnt life changing some games benefit from latency and others benefit from raw speed of the ram but you always want more ram

hogwarts legacy is a good example

that game cobbles up over 16gb at 1440p

 

[Connor99z]

your current system is b150

small recomendation find i7 7700 cheap they usually go between

80 usd
70 pounds

you can still buy a ram kit at 3200mhz but you wont be able to run it at that speed till you upgrade your motherboard can only handle up to 2400mhz max after upgrade to i7 7700 this would be my ideal recomendation

also depends what chipset your going on ddr4

I can get a normal i7 7700 non K because i cant overclock it anyway, and that will work in my current existing Motherboard? b150?
How does the i7 7700 hold up now a days? being 6 years old, obviously there is a 20% increase overall compared to my i5 6500p
It'll enable me to use 2400Mhz of my RAM rather than 2133Mhz that I get ATM? I thought it was the motherboard limiting me to 2133?

 

[Jamesb8488]

So I've been getting into Escape From Tarkov a lot recently, but it requires ALOT of Ram, Im talking my PC is so slow when I try and do other stuff with the game open, chrome takes forever to load, or crashes.
I currently have 16GB but it is limited to 2133Mhz due to my Motherboard limiting and XMP isn't an option in my BIOS so I cant enable that to get the full potential of the RAM. What I'm asking is,

1. can I upgrade to 32 or 64 and keep my same motherboard, yes it will still be limited but would it speed up processes on my computer? Playing the game my RAM goes up to 15% out of a total of 16% sometimes a bit more, so its hitting max, which is then why chrome takes it over the edge, or anything else for that matter.
2. Can I make a big upgrade do my RAM? get a higher speed to future proof for when I want to upgrade my Motherboard and CPU? or am I limited to what I can actually upgrade to with my current specs?

Link below is a screenshot of my specs.
Suggestions to what RAM I should go for, and if I'm limited, what RAM am I limited to. Thank you.

Specs: https://prnt.sc/ghHgOylyNyeo
Task Manager during gaming... : https://prnt.sc/IL1I-v715_T5
Resource Monitor Memory: https://prnt.sc/aST4JxfoWYQ_

so yeah, 100% upgrade to 32... that old 16gig cap was a cap 3 or 4 years ago.. now its 32... for older systems like yours it will be very refreshing to have that higher ceiling of ram.
my system currently when i first got it is a i7 9700k with a 1660 super 6 gb with 16 gigs installed. you can load everything fine.. but you cant really max out.. when you want to alt tab switch back and forth from the game to desktop you will notice hang ups in the latency.. its micro hang ups you will see, like little freezes in performance. thats because your CPU and system on DDR4 or lower cant handle the switches fast enough to process to keep a fluent performance.. and those hang ups tap into your virtual memory which causes your system to slow down.. once you upgrade to that 32 you will feel a much cleaner free system and your CPU will not have to process that extra information with the virtual ram.. and ever since i upgraded to 32 my system uses on average 17 or 18 gigs.. while gaming sometimes breaching into 23 gigs and my rig runs soo clean all the time..

 

[thestryker]

It'll enable me to use 2400Mhz of my RAM rather than 2133Mhz that I get ATM? I thought it was the motherboard limiting me to 2133?

From what the motherboard specs and memory QVL say you'll be limited to 2133 no matter what.

 

[beyondlogic]

From what the motherboard specs and memory QVL say you'll be limited to 2133 no matter what.

thats correct

 

[beyondlogic]

I can get a normal i7 7700 non K because i cant overclock it anyway, and that will work in my current existing Motherboard? b150?
How does the i7 7700 hold up now a days? being 6 years old, obviously there is a 20% increase overall compared to my i5 6500p
It'll enable me to use 2400Mhz of my RAM rather than 2133Mhz that I get ATM? I thought it was the motherboard limiting me to 2133?

yes the i7 770 non k will work you'll still be limited to 2133mhz on any 3200mhz kit however you can get the full benefit next time you upgrade.

b150 needs a bios flash in order to use it which can be found here ( note you wont be able to use the i5 6500 again as it wont recognise it on reboot.
f22f was last bios update and one I would recommend as it seems to be fixing issues with micro code
https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/G1Sniper-B7-rev-10/support#support-dl-bios

it should be noted your cpu currently from what you've showed me the cpu is pegged at 100 percent which means there's still some gpu not being tapped you want the gpu usage up and the cpu usage lower the gpu should be the work horse. at 1080p you can expect a decent uplift.

because of its higher max speed of 4.2 ( games like faster clock speeds especially older titles also it has a larger l3 cache.).
fun fact these chips stay in turbo mode longer like all modern processors the more you keep it cool.
which will offer better consistent framerate

my advise is to also not use a stock cooler but use a better cooler if you already haven't

this would be fine and can be used in any future upgrades.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Thermalrig...4754177&sprefix=cpu+coole,aps,116&sr=8-3&th=1

its close to ryzen 2600

 

[Connor99z]

From what the motherboard specs and memory QVL say you'll be limited to 2133 no matter what.

So ive replaced my RAM for 32GB, currently sitting with 3 tabs open on chrome, the largest is a Twitch stream, and im on 8.7GB of Ram usage, is this normal?
Also when i Task Manager and look at chrome processes, it says chrome has 16 tabs, using combined 911/1000MB, twitch being the biggest at 260MB. the next 2 tabs have about 115, and then the rest have 90, 20, 16 down to 1.

 

[thestryker]

So ive replaced my RAM for 32GB, currently sitting with 3 tabs open on chrome, the largest is a Twitch stream, and im on 8.7GB of Ram usage, is this normal?
Also when i Task Manager and look at chrome processes, it says chrome has 16 tabs, using combined 911/1000MB, twitch being the biggest at 260MB. the next 2 tabs have about 115, and then the rest have 90, 20, 16 down to 1.

Doesn't seem particularly abnormal to me, but I also have a fair bit of stuff starting with windows. Fresh boot of my machine is ~9GB, but that loads all of the game launchers I might use and chrome (though chrome doesn't really use much until tabs are active). The only thing I'm ever really concerned with regarding memory usage is if it keeps going up without doing anything to cause it as that can be indicative of a memory leak in a program running.

 

[Connor99z]

Doesn't seem particularly abnormal to me, but I also have a fair bit of stuff starting with windows. Fresh boot of my machine is ~9GB, but that loads all of the game launchers I might use and chrome (though chrome doesn't really use much until tabs are active). The only thing I'm ever really concerned with regarding memory usage is if it keeps going up without doing anything to cause it as that can be indicative of a memory leak in a program running.

https://prnt.sc/0wZ6julyqKxj
Holy... this game, the MAP im playing on is maxing out my Memory again, at 32GB LOL. should i have got more?!

Screenshot

Captured with Lightshot

prnt.sc

 

[Connor99z]

Doesn't seem particularly abnormal to me, but I also have a fair bit of stuff starting with windows. Fresh boot of my machine is ~9GB, but that loads all of the game launchers I might use and chrome (though chrome doesn't really use much until tabs are active). The only thing I'm ever really concerned with regarding memory usage is if it keeps going up without doing anything to cause it as that can be indicative of a memory leak in a program running.

https://www.reddit.com/r/EscapefromTarkov/comments/176bf8k/5800x3d_32gb_memory_isnt_enough_for_streets/

 

[thestryker]

Yeah that's definitely a game problem which is unfortunate, but I don't think buying another 32GB would be a good use of funds. Bottom out the texture quality when you run into that and I'd imagine the problem goes away given the advice in that thread. Really unfortunate that the devs don't care enough to resolve it.

 

[Connor99z]

Yeah that's definitely a game problem which is unfortunate, but I don't think buying another 32GB would be a good use of funds. Bottom out the texture quality when you run into that and I'd imagine the problem goes away given the advice in that thread. Really unfortunate that the devs don't care enough to resolve it.

Yep, apparently there used to be an issue where even 64GB was getting maxed out which eventually got fixed, the map is a new map they have added, and obviously im not the only one with the issue, i guess ill stick with the 32GB, i do so a HUGE difference with it, no more freezing and slowness when i tab out and go onto google, yes it does it a bit on the new map but then thats because my RAM is maxing out.
Like you said, pointless getting more just for 1 map which now works better than it did before on my 16.

 

[beyondlogic]

Yep, apparently there used to be an issue where even 64GB was getting maxed out which eventually got fixed, the map is a new map they have added, and obviously im not the only one with the issue, i guess ill stick with the 32GB, i do so a HUGE difference with it, no more freezing and slowness when i tab out and go onto google, yes it does it a bit on the new map but then thats because my RAM is maxing out.
Like you said, pointless getting more just for 1 map which now works better than it did before on my 16.

could also be to do with vram is spilling into your system memory try turning down shadows also make sure you do not have vsync on if your framerate is under the monitors refresh rate you wont need it.

 

[Connor99z]

could also be to do with vram is spilling into your system memory try turning down shadows also make sure you do not have vsync on if your framerate is under the monitors refresh rate you wont need it.

I normally switch off Vsync for most games, why would Vram be spilling into memory? I think I have 8GB of vram, but the % used while playing the game is hardly anything.

 

[beyondlogic]

I normally switch off Vsync for most games, why would Vram be spilling into memory? I think I have 8GB of vram, but the % used while playing the game is hardly anything.

1 of 2 things if your getting 100 percent cpu usage in games and very little usage on your gpu say gpu is sitting at 20 then your cpu is bottlenecking your gpu.

also might sound daft are you sure your using the gpu you havent got the hdmi like plugged into the motherboards integrated graphics ?.

when you run out of video memory in your gpu in games it spills into the system memory

say a game uses 10gb of gpu memory
it will use all the gpus memory then the regular ram it will pinch another 2gb.
when it does this it can cause hitching and cause stutters all sorts of weird behavour

 

[Connor99z]

1 of 2 things if your getting 100 percent cpu usage in games and very little usage on your gpu say gpu is sitting at 20 then your cpu is bottlenecking your gpu.

also might sound daft are you sure your using the gpu you havent got the hdmi like plugged into the motherboards integrated graphics ?.

when you run out of video memory in your gpu in games it spills into the system memory

say a game uses 10gb of gpu memory
it will use all the gpus memory then the regular ram it will pinch another 2gb.
when it does this it can cause hitching and cause stutters all sorts of weird behavour

Can confirm the monitor is plugged into the GPU HDMI haha, I think tbh its a combination of my CPU being very old and slacking the performance needed in this day and age, and the Game im playing being poorly optimised and very RAM heavy with leaks.