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https://pcpartpicker.com/user/DjerizCigan/saved/FsgMbv

CPU:5950x since its the best gaming cpu currently
CPU COOLER:I know its not near the top performer,but u gotta admit it looks damn sick
MOBO:I wanted something with decent VRM's for overclocking and X570 chipset+the integrated wifi is nice to have
RAM:In my opinion 32GB's is more than enough,also went with this kit since of the crystal on the sticks
STORAGE:2x2tb m.2's like what more do you need
GPU:Of course with this budget you have to put the best gaming gpu out there,althought the new RX 6000 looks nice and performs well i dont think its top performer is better than the 3090
CASE:I know its rlly expensive and probably not the best with airflow,but cmon it looks sick
PSU:Needed something realiable,850W is more than enough for a single 3090 imo
FANS:Just needed some good looking fans in there

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RodroX said:
You may consider 4x8GB of RAM for the best performance, unless you are adding extra 2x16GB in the near future. It seems Ryzen 5000 series perform better with 4 sticks
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Actually, they even mentioned in the video that the person that they consulted about it suggested 2x16GB should, if anything, offer slightly better performance than 4x8GB. They just didn't test with that configuration since they had 4x8GB sticks on-hand, and apparently didn't have 16GB sticks that were otherwise identical to the 8GB sticks they were testing with.

What matters for performance is the number of ranks in use, and the 16GB sticks provide two ranks per stick, so four ranks will be in use with either 32GB configuration. And this isn't necessarily...
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Djoza said:
https://pcpartpicker.com/user/DjerizCigan/saved/FsgMbv

CPU:5950x since its the best gaming cpu currently
CPU COOLER:I know its not near the top performer,but u gotta admit it looks damn sick
MOBO:I wanted something with decent VRM's for overclocking and X570 chipset+the integrated wifi is nice to have
RAM:In my opinion 32GB's is more than enough,also went with this kit since of the crystal on the sticks
STORAGE:2x2tb m.2's like what more do you need
GPU:Of course with this budget you have to put the best gaming gpu out there,althought the new RX 6000 looks nice and performs well i dont think its top performer is better than the 3090
CASE:I know its rlly expensive and probably not the best with airflow,but cmon it looks sick
PSU:Needed something realiable,850W is more than enough for a single 3090 imo
FANS:Just needed some good looking fans in there

Thoughts?
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I'm giving it a zero since the list is private and I can't see it. duh.
 
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You may consider 4x8GB of RAM for the best performance, unless you are adding extra 2x16GB in the near future. It seems Ryzen 5000 series perform better with 4 sticks (like this: https://pcpartpicker.com/product/7Y...b-4-x-8gb-ddr4-3200-memory-f4-3200c14q-32gtzr).

Anyways, other people also said that if the sticks are dual rank you don't loose any performance at all. We shall know more as soon as long hair Jesus make the next video on this subject.

For now theres only this one:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UkGu6A-6sQ



In short is a pretty powerfull build, I would have picked diferent parts (after all the "looks" and the "RGB" does not really make your PC faster), and don't mind me too much about the diference between the two memory configuration should be pretty small anyways.

Cheers
 
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I personally wouldn't use Asus. For X570, I have been sticking with Gigabyte. Ram is overpriced. DDR4 3600 is the sweet spot, for Ryzen. PSU is top notch, but overpriced. A Gold rated unit is sufficient, for your use case. Frankly, I think you are overspending, a lot.

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 9 5950X 3.4 GHz 16-Core Processor
CPU Cooler: EK EK-AIO 360 D-RGB 66.04 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($154.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Gigabyte X570 AORUS MASTER ATX AM4 Motherboard ($345.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: G.Skill Trident Z Royal 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 CL16 Memory ($199.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Gigabyte AORUS NVMe Gen4 2 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive ($349.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Gigabyte AORUS NVMe Gen4 2 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive ($349.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 24 GB FTW3 ULTRA GAMING Video Card ($1815.99 @ Adorama)
Case: Lian Li PC-O11 Dynamic ATX Full Tower Case ($134.99 @ B&H)
Power Supply: SeaSonic FOCUS Plus Gold 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($180.13 @ Amazon)
Case Fan: EK Vardar EVO 120ER 77 CFM 120 mm Fan ($39.99 @ Amazon)
Case Fan: EK Vardar EVO 120ER 77 CFM 120 mm Fan ($39.99 @ Amazon)
Case Fan: EK Vardar EVO 120ER 77 CFM 120 mm Fan ($39.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $3652.03
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-11-12 16:48 EST-0500
 
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I think it's really nice,I think there's overkill there but if you're not worried about a budget,why not(I'm a fan of overkill),I mean 4 terabytes myself I would never use but that's me...and I really like that case,I actually just bought this.... - https://www.coolermaster.com/catalog/cases/mid-tower/mastercase-sl600m-black-edition/ - it dug 230 bucks out of my pocket but I love it,you can show the vid card horizontally which looks great....if you wanted to save some bucks you could prolly get the 3070 (if they ever get their stock back for a little less performance but not much although it's like 1 grand cheaper that the 3090,I also agree with RodroX on the ram,I always found that 4 sticks works better,especially if you wanted to add more ram it might be a problem (that's why they sell them in kits cause they are tested together so you know they will work together) and I'm also an INTEL fan so I wouldn't use AMD but that's preference...funny I actually bough that same ram for my new comp I'm putting together now,silver although I got 4 sticks of 8 -3000hz Blingiest ram out there lol
 
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Djoza said:
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/8GNfvf
mainly for gaming,editiong some photos and maybe streaming
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I guess not editing 4K photos or the like. If I recall correctly, 32GBs isn't enough for editing those kinds of photos.
Anyways, on to the build...

Can't really judge on bling, so I'm not gonna try it.
For function, the parts themselves are fine, just overkill for their intended purpose. So you've overspent on everything except for the fans; the Helios is preinstalled with 4 non-LED fans already.
5/10, so pretty 'meh'.
 
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threebills11 said:
I think it's really nice,I think there's overkill there but if you're not worried about a budget,why not(I'm a fan of overkill),I mean 4 terabytes myself I would never use but that's me...and I really like that case,I actually just bought this.... - https://www.coolermaster.com/catalog/cases/mid-tower/mastercase-sl600m-black-edition/ - it dug 230 bucks out of my pocket but I love it,you can show the vid card horizontally which looks great....if you wanted to save some bucks you could prolly get the 3070 (if they ever get their stock back for a little less performance but not much although it's like 1 grand cheaper that the 3090,I also agree with RodroX on the ram,I always found that 4 sticks works better,especially if you wanted to add more ram it might be a problem (that's why they sell them in kits cause they are tested together so you know they will work together) and I'm also an INTEL fan so I wouldn't use AMD but that's preference...funny I actually bough that same ram for my new comp I'm putting together now,silver although I got 4 sticks of 8 -3000hz Blingiest ram out there lol
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I have to add the coolermaster sl600m case had great cable management and ssd/hdd placement,the only dumb thing they did was the power supply actually is on the right side of the case with the fan blowing towards the MOBO which is fine,being the case is set up to have intake at the bottom and exhaust out the top but the power supply cord they need to make on a different angle to properly plug into the PSU,you have to twist it and jam it in to make it fit,could have been simple if they just made the cable to the plug at a 90 degree angle
 
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Holy.
$5000 for a PC is seriously overkill unless you plan on running extremely profitable professional stuff on it or are a streamer-gamer.

Seriously, you could put those 5Gs (no not 5G, that sht isn't coming, barely got 4G...) into Crypto and make 5x that amount on low leverage isolated trading.
 
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RodroX said:
You may consider 4x8GB of RAM for the best performance, unless you are adding extra 2x16GB in the near future. It seems Ryzen 5000 series perform better with 4 sticks
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Actually, they even mentioned in the video that the person that they consulted about it suggested 2x16GB should, if anything, offer slightly better performance than 4x8GB. They just didn't test with that configuration since they had 4x8GB sticks on-hand, and apparently didn't have 16GB sticks that were otherwise identical to the 8GB sticks they were testing with.

What matters for performance is the number of ranks in use, and the 16GB sticks provide two ranks per stick, so four ranks will be in use with either 32GB configuration. And this isn't necessarily something new to the Ryzen 5000 series, as Tom's showed similar results for the 3000 series last year. It's possible that the performance differences might be slightly higher now, though you can't really compare one site's test results against another's. The second page of the Tom's article talks about this in a bit more detail...
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-ryzen-3000-best-memory-timings,6310-2.html

As for going with DDR4-4000, there's no guarantee that it will actually run at that speed while maintaining a 1:1 fabric ratio, as that's right around the limits of what the Ryzen 5000 series can handle. DDR4-3600 is probably a safer bet, and should cost quite a bit less, while offering fairly similar performance. In general, I agree with the suggestion that you could probably save thousands and not notice any major performance difference.

A good example is the RTX 3090, which costs over twice as much as a 3080, but is only around 10-15% faster in games at 4K, with even less of a difference at resolutions lower than that. Unless your budget really isn't limited in any way, and you expect that to continue in the future, I think it would be better to go with a 3080 now, and use the money saved to pick up the next generation card around its price bracket when it comes out a couple years from now, as it will likely be a decent amount faster than a 3090. What resolution and refresh rate were you targeting?

And the 3950X might technically be the fastest CPU for most tasks right now, but as far as gaming performance is concerned (and the vast majority of other desktop applications), the 12-core, 24-thread 3900X is generally shown to provide more or less identical performance, with the 8-core, 16-thread 5800X also performing quite similar. Games are not likely to benefit from the additional threads of a 16-core, 32-thread processor anytime soon, as developers are not designing games to utilize them, and only certain kinds of software will actually make use of those cores.

So really, it's a bit hard to justify spending around $5000 on a gaming system when a system costing around half as much would likely come within about 10% of its performance in games. Past a certain point, you start running into diminishing returns from going with higher-end components.
 
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If you are going to spend $5,000 on a gaming PC you might as well go all out and do a full custom CPU - GPU loop and get a case that supports such a thing. Anything else there's no reason to spend that much on a system. I would do something like this (although I do agree wtih cryoburner about diminishing returns) :

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 9 5950X 3.4 GHz 16-Core Processor ($649.99)
Motherboard: Gigabyte X570 AORUS ULTRA ATX AM4 Motherboard ($298.13 @ Amazon)
Memory: G.Skill Trident Z Neo 32 GB (4 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 CL18 Memory ($192.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Sabrent Rocket 4.0 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive ($199.98 @ Amazon)
Storage: Intel 660p Series 2.048 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive ($208.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 24 GB FTW3 ULTRA GAMING Video Card ($1815.99 @ Adorama)
Case: Fractal Design Define S2 Vision RGB ATX Mid Tower Case ($149.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair RMx (2018) 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($129.43 @ Amazon)
Total: $3645.48
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-11-12 19:36 EST-0500

I didn't include the water cooling components because PC Part Picker doesn't allow for them but just go on EK's website and price out a full CPU - GPU loop.
 
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I'm at 2823 LOL. The RTX 3090 was more made to replace the Titan as a work card that is why their not a lot of performance increase over the 3080.

PCPartPicker Part List

Type|Item|Price
:----|:----|:----
CPU | AMD Ryzen 9 5900X 3.7 GHz 12-Core Processor | $549.00
CPU Cooler | Corsair H115i RGB PLATINUM 97 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler | $119.99 @ Newegg
Motherboard | MSI MAG X570 TOMAHAWK WIFI ATX AM4 Motherboard | $261.83 @ Amazon
Memory | G.Skill Trident Z Neo 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 CL16 Memory | $173.98 @ Newegg
Storage | Western Digital SN750 500 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive | $62.99 @ Amazon
Storage | Crucial MX500 2 TB 2.5" Solid State Drive | $219.99 @ Amazon
Storage | Crucial MX500 2 TB 2.5" Solid State Drive | $219.99 @ Amazon
Video Card | EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 10 GB FTW3 ULTRA GAMING Video Card | $850.00
Case | Fractal Design Meshify S2 ATX Mid Tower Case | $161.99 @ B&H
Power Supply | Corsair RMx (2018) 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply | $129.43 @ Amazon
Case Fan | Corsair ML140 PRO 55.4 CFM 140 mm Fans 2-Pack | $74.41 @ Amazon
| Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts |
| Total (before mail-in rebates) | $2843.60
| Mail-in rebates | -$20.00
| Total | $2823.60
| Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-11-12 20:42 EST-0500 |
 
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The motherboard needs a bios update, which means you can't just buy the components and build.
That would be way too much of a hassle.

I personally wouldn't build this, because I've gone through a similar situation before.
 
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2plash6 said:
The motherboard needs a bios update, which means you can't just buy the components and build.
That would be way too much of a hassle.

I personally wouldn't build this, because I've gone through a similar situation before.
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Most AM4 motherboards are likely to require a BIOS update at this time, since both X570 and B550 came out well before the 5000-series launched. However, as long as the board features a BIOS Flashback button, which a large portion of the 500-series boards do, updating the BIOS without a compatible CPU should be relatively easy.
 
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