sdanzig :
Recommendations for the following, please?
Approximate Purchase Date: March, 2017
Budget Range: $5000-$6000
System Usage: 4K video in Davinci Resolve/Adobe Premiere/After Effects, RAW Photo Editing (Capture One), Java/Scala distributed programming in a Virtualbox Linux machine
Monitor: Yes
Need to buy OS: Yes
No preferred website, although I do have Amazon Prime
Location: Binghamton, NY, USA
No parts preference, although I think it's time I move away from Mac.
Overclocking: Yes
SLI/Crossfire: No
Monitor Resolution: 3840x2160
Additional comments:
I'd like the computer to be quiet as possible, at least when being used for just web browsing. I do want it to handle Davinci Resolve at 4K with ease. And I'd want a minimum of 6TB, with room for expansion. I have an external bluray burner, which I've used, although internal might be nice. I think the Alienware/Republic of Gamers cases are horribly ugly.
Why am I upgrading:
I'm an indie filmmaker/software engineer with an early-2009 Mac Pro tower. I have three drives totaling 6TB, and 22GB of RAM, which lets me run Adobe Premiere/After Effects/Speedgrade usably, but it still can be very choppy with slow rendering. Davinci Resolve doesn't run at all. After waiting long enough for Apple to come out with a more reasonably designed overpriced system, I'm ready to go PC.
sdanzig,
Option 1:
This system suggestion is based on the the idea that in the priority application, DaVinci Resolve, the processing priority is GPU - CUDA cores plus video memory and this is true of Capture One as well. Adobe Premiere and After Effects are negatively efficient on dual processors- having the second processor actually lows processing, and are optimal at 5-6 cores of a single processor. The Adobe applications can not see dual GPU's but are accelerated through a high number of CUDA cores, but Resolve and Capture One can benefit from as many CUDA cores and video memory as possible, although it's not clear if it is fully scalar.
A fast disk is also key and the OS /Program drive is a Samsung 960 500GB one of the fastest drives made. The X99 platform is especially configured for M.2 integration and the i7-6950X / ASUS X99 Deluxe II / M.2 combination appears more than once on the Passmark "Top 100" systems. For reference, the highest performing motherboard is the ASUS Maximus Hero (LGA1151, about $500). That's the best 100 systems out of over 300,000 tested. the storage drives are two 4TB Seagate Constellation ES.3 which are enterprise rated (5-year instead of 4 year warranty) and have 128MB cache instead of 64MB and that is useful in handling large files. I have four, 1TB ES.3 drives and these are excellent and have disk scores 10%+ above Western Digital Black 1TB.
The i7-6950X is 10-core @ 3.0 / 3.5Ghz, 25MB cache, max. ram =128GB DDR4-2400.
Comparing some of the CPU's recommended in this thread:
i7-6950X: Passmark CPU rating =
19987 / single thread rating =
2122
E5-2630 v4 = 14239 /
18646(dual) /
1683
E5-2660 v4 = 18816 /
22164 (dual) /
1826
In pure computing power, the dual Xeon E5's are very good and those are extremely reliable, However, the i7-6950X has a much higher single-thread rating and average all-core speed of 3.2GHz whereas the E5-2630 v4 will run on all cores at 2.7GHz. The Passmark CPU ratings reflect a total calculation cycle rate, so in relative terms, the single i7-5690X is still processing more per unit time than two E5-2630 v4's but about 10% less than two E5-2660 v4's. There is apparently an inefficiency in thread synchronization between two processors which is why ECC registered parity check is introduced. The single thread mark of
2122 is amazingly good for a 10-core, enough for high complexity 3D modeling in Maya or Solidworks. Ultimately, Resolve can use up to 64 threads, but the efficiency is not fully scalar. Within the limits of the budget, which includes the monitor, the CPU/ GPU equation in GPU processing is better weighted towards GPU power on a single CPU.
GPU: Performance in Resolve is related towards the total GPU's, CUDA cores, and memory, so in this suggested system, there are two GTX 1070's which = 2X GPU / 16GB RAM / 3,840 CUDA cores. This compares to the fastest GPU, the Titan X which = 1X GPU / 3,584 CUDA cores /12GB RAM.
GTX and Quadro considerations: Be aware that the GTX is limited to 10-bit color while a Quadro GPU may resolve at 30-bit color depth and at higher anti-aliasing rates. They can also run multiple lighting sources. For rendering animation, and using complex reflections and lighting and particles, the somewhat slower rate may be worth the improvement in image quality.
You may or may not like the idea of a used GPU but have a look at a Quadro M5000 8GB. The performance is similar (Passmark 3D rating is
8449) to a GTX 1060 (
8442) and not far off Titan Black (
8676). An M5000 is $1,800 new but used is about $1,100 these days (1.17), sometimes as low as $900.
There's is going to be a new Quadro, the P4000 8GB quite soon (the release date was "Q4 2016") which may well have performance at or even above the M5000 level for under $1,000. I was going to buy an M4000 but am waiting for the P4000.
I'd mention that I've had eight or so used Quadros and they are beautifully made and slightly understressed for professional work. I have a 2003 FX 580 in a server and a 2009 FX 4800 in a Precision T5400 in excellent working order.
Case: The Fractal Design case is especially rated for quiet running and is purposely a big larger than strictly necessary for good air flow and to be easy to work in.
Monitor: Following the system concept are some monitor suggestions. With monitors for professional work, it's ideal if it's possible to see them in person. The feel and refinement and effectiveness of controls and level of anti-glare coating and etc, make a lot of difference. One of the suggestions is to have a pair of monitors, which I find essential in architecture, industrial, and graphic design- one for the image, the second for the supporting materials, libraries, browser, and menus.
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(Prices are Newegg)
1. CPU: Intel Core i7-6950X 25M Broadwell-E 10-Core 3.0 GHz LGA 2011-v3 140W BX80671I76950X Desktop Processor $1,649.99
2. CPU Cooler: Corsair Hydro Series H100i V2 Extreme Performance Water / Liquid CPU Cooler. 240mm (CW-9060025-WW) > $102.99
3. Motherboard: ASUS X99-DELUXE II LGA 2011-v3 Intel X99 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.1 USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard > $399.99
4. RAM: 128GB (8X 16GB) CORSAIR Vengeance LPX 16GB 288-Pin DDR4 SDRAM DDR4 2400 (PC4 19200) Desktop Memory Model CMK16GX4M1A2400C14 $823.92 ($102.99 ea.)
5. GPU 1,2: 2X MSI GeForce GTX 1070 DirectX 12 GTX 1070 GAMING X 8G 8GB 256-Bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support ATX Video Card > $860 ($430 each)
6. Drive 1: SAMSUNG 960 EVO M.2 500GB NVMe PCI-Express 3.0 x4 Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) MZ-V6E500BW > $267
7. Drive 2,.3 : 2X Seagate Constellation ES.3 ST4000NM0033 4TB 7200 RPM 128MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Enterprise Internal Hard Drive Bare Drive > $334 ($167 each)
8. Power Supply: CORSAIR RMx Series RM750X 750W 80 PLUS GOLD Haswell Ready Full Modular ATX12V & EPS12V SLI and Crossfire Ready Power > $129.99
9. Optical Disk: LG Black 16X Blu-Ray BDXL SATA Internal rewriter with 3D Playback, Model BH16NS40 > $100
9. Case: Fractal Design Define XL R2 Black Silent EATX Full Tower Computer Case $129.99
10. OS: Windows 7 Professional SP1 64-bit - OEM > $139.99
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TOTAL = $4,840
Monitor 1st choice: Eizo FlexScan EV3237FX 31.5" 4K UHD IPS Monitor 3840x2160 (EV3237FX-BK) > $1,698
Monitor 2nd Choice: LG Electronics IPS Digital Cinema 4K Monitor 31MU97-B 31.0-Inch Screen LED-Lit Monitor > $900
Monitor 3rd Choice: 2X BenQ (BL2711U) 27-Inch Professional Graphic Design Display IPS Ultra High Definition LED Monitor , 4K2K HD 3840x2160 Display > $900 ($449 each)
Option 2:
To present a system with the best cost /performance within the budget, The following concept is based on a Supermicro Superworkstation specifying dual used 10-core Xeons. The Superworkstation provides a case, dual LGA2011 motherboard, CPU coolers, and power supply such that the user need only plug in the CPU's, RAM, GPU's, and drives. the motherboard supports Thunderbolt which I think is still the fastest drive interface. This simplifies the hardware decisions and as there is no real assembly nor wiring, the configuration is very fast. The cooling is designed for server-level use and these systems are rated to be very quiet.
The key to this idea is to employ used CPU's, in this suggestion, a pair of
Xeon E5-2680 v2 which are 10-core @ 2.8 /.3.6GHz. On Passmark, the top CPU score for dual E5-2680's is
26121 on ASUS ZPE-D8 WS and
23963 on the Supermicro X9Dri. The single threaded rating is
1758. These are extremely reliable processors. The MTBF of the E5-1680 v2 is
170,000 hours or
19.4 years continuous running.
By using depreciated CPU's, a much higher specification is possible and funds are released for other purposes. There are tests that indicate that in some applications, including Premiere and After Effects, above a certain number, additional cores do not contribute to processing efficiency, and dual processors can actually go slightly negative. Resolve can utilize up to 64-threads, but I'm not convinced that this is fully scalar, based on comments that minimize the CPU's role in favour of sveral GPU's.
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Case /Motherboard / CPU coolers / Power supply : Supermicro SuperWorkstation SYS-7037A-I Dual Socket LGA2011 Xeon 900W Mid-Tower Workstation Barebone System (Black) > $734
http://www.supermicro.com/products/system/tower/7038/SYS-7038A-i.cfm
http://www.superbiiz.com/detail.php?name=SY-7038AI
CPU: 2X Intel Xeon E5-2680 v2 Eight-Core Haswell Processor 2.9 /3.8GHz, 20MB LGA 2011 CPU, 130W > used about $1,400 ($500 -$700 each)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Intel-Xeon-E5-2680-v2-10-Core-2-8GHz-SR1A6-Ivy-Bridge-EP-LGA2011-CPU-Processor-/302172429488?hash=item465ae15cb0:g:WdIAAOSwXeJYJTou
Memory: 128GB (
8X 16GB) SAMSUNG M393B2G70DB0-CMA Samsung DDR3-1866 16GB2Gx72 ECCREG CL13 Samsung Chip Server Memory > $960 ($120ea.)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=12K-00WZ-00010&cm_re=8GB_DDR3-1866_ECC_unbuffered-_-12K-00WZ-00010-_-Product
GPU 1, 2: 2X MSI GeForce GTX 1070 DirectX 12 GTX 1070 GAMING X 8G 8GB 256-Bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support ATX Video Card > $860 ($430 each).
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127947&cm_re=GTX_1070-_-14-127-947-_-Product
Disk 1: SAMSUNG 950 PRO M.2 2280 512GB PCI-Express 3.0 x4 Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) MZ-V5P512BW> $400.
M.2 to PCIe Adapter: M2P4A (PCIe X4 to M.2 (NGFF) SSD Adapter) > $54
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA12K3U60461&cm_re=samsung_950_pro_512gb-_-20-147-467-_-Product
Drive 2,.3: 2X Seagate Constellation ES.3 ST4000NM0033 4TB 7200 RPM 128MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Enterprise Internal Hard Drive Bare Drive > $334 ($167 each) (Files, Backup, System Image)
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822178307&cm_re=Es.3_4tb-_-22-178-307-_-Product
Optical Disk: LG Black 16X Blu-Ray BDXL SATA Internal rewriter with 3D Playback, Model BH16NS40 > $100
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827136264
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Professional SP1 64-bit English (1-Pack), OEM > $139.
http://www.superbiiz.com/detail.php?name=MSFQC08289
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TOTAL = $4,600-5,000
So, there are a couple of options.
Cheers,
BambiBoom
CAD / 3D Modeling / Graphic Design:
HP z420 (2015) (Rev 3) > Xeon E5-1660 v2 (6-core @ 3.7 / 4.0GHz) / 32GB DDR3 -1866 ECC RAM / Quadro K4200 (4GB) / Samsung SM951 M.2 256GB AHCI + Intel 730 480GB (9SSDSC2BP480G4R5) + Western Digital Black WD1003FZEX 1TB> M-Audio 192 sound card > 600W PSU> > Windows 7 Professional 64-bit > Logitech z2300 2.1 speakers > 2X Dell Ultrasharp U2715H (2560 X 1440)
[ Passmark Rating = 5581 > CPU= 14046 / 2D= 838 / 3D= 4694 / Mem= 2777 / Disk= 11559] [6.12.16]
Analysis / Simulation / Rendering:
HP z620 (2012) (Rev 3) 2X Xeon E5-2690 (8-core @ 2.9 / 3.8GHz) / 64GB DDR3-1600 ECC reg) / Quadro K2200 (4GB) + Tesla M2090 (6GB) / HP Z Turbo Drive (256GB) + Samsung 850 Evo 250GB + Seagate Constellation ES.3 (1TB) / Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi Titanium PCIe sound card / 800W / Windows 7 Professional 64-bit > Logitech z313 2.1 speakers > HP 2711x (27" 1980 X 1080)
[ Passmark System Rating= 5675 / CPU= 22625 / 2D= 815 / 3D = 3580 / Mem = 2522 / Disk = 12640 ] 9.25.16
[ Cinebench R15: OpenGL= 119.23 fps / CPU = 2209 cb / Single core 130 cb / MP Ratio 16.84x] 10.31.16