[SOLVED] recommendations for prebuilt pc

[mxritz]

Hey everyone!

I am looking to buy a new pc for both gaming and doing 3D-stuff, video editing etc. Is it worth to build your own pc with current GPU prices or is it better to find a prebuilt pc? If yes, what are some good options/companies for a prebuilt pc and what graphics card / CPU / how much ram should I look after if I want to get consistent 100fps on an ultrawide (3440 x 1440 Pixel, UWQHD) monitor.

I hope this is the right section, didnt know where to ask this.

Thanks in advance!

 

[Lutfij]

The story with prebuilts being bundled with lackluster components in some areas of the build isn't a new happening. It's probably amplified with the state of affairs globally but there are instances where you end up with a lackluster motherboard, PSU and rams. One notable mention is the fact that cyberpower system's with a B550AM motherboard have a BIOS that is bespoke to them.

I'd vote n building from the ground up, yourself, since it gives you a greater degree of control on what goes into the build and what you can upgrade in the future...which has always been the story as long as I can remember.

Instead of stating an etc. in your sentence, can you please state the list of all the app's and title you'd like to tax the potential system with?

 

[mxritz]

The story with prebuilts being bundled with lackluster components in some areas of the build isn't a new happening. It's probably amplified with the state of affairs globally but there are instances where you end up with a lackluster motherboard, PSU and rams. One notable mention is the fact that cyberpower system's with a B550AM motherboard have a BIOS that is bespoke to them.

I'd vote n building from the ground up, yourself, since it gives you a greater degree of control on what goes into the build and what you can upgrade in the future...which has always been the story as long as I can remember.

Instead of stating an etc. in your sentence, can you please state the list of all the app's and title you'd like to tax the potential system with?

hey thanks for the answer.

i use blender (cycle engine), cinema 4D, unreal engine for doing 3D-renders / animations, also adobe after effects and premiere pro for video editing / vfx. illustrator and photoshop and fl studio, but i dont think those are very system-heavy programs. game-wise I play a lot of apex legends, csgo, lol, AC, destiny and some single-player games from time to time.

hope that helps!

also with the prices of gpu's right now I am not sure if I want to spend 2k for a graphics card alone. budget is around 3k

 

[Why_Me]

I'd give the i7 12700K/KF serious consideration. Gigabyte boards allow you to disable the e-cores without going into the bios (link down below). Pair it up with DDR4 3200mhz CL16 or DDR4 3600mhz CL16 RAM.

https://www.techpowerup.com/289205/...essors-to-dynamically-park-and-unpark-e-cores

https://www.newegg.com/gigabyte-aorus-z690-ud-ddr4/p/N82E16813145349
GIGABYTE Z690 UD DDR4 $199.99

https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/Z690-UD-DDR4-rev-10#kf

https://www.newegg.com/gigabyte-aorus-z690-gaming-x-ddr4/p/N82E16813145347
GIGABYTE Z690 GAMING X DDR4 $229.99

https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/Z690-GAMING-X-DDR4-rev-10#kf

https://www.newegg.com/gigabyte-z690-aorus-elite-ax-ddr4/p/N82E16813145350
GIGABYTE Z690 AORUS ELITE AX DDR4 $269.99

https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/Z690-AORUS-ELITE-AX-DDR4-rev-10#kf

https://www.newegg.com/gigabyte-aorus-z690-aero-g-ddr4/p/N82E16813145346
GIGABYTE Z690 AERO G DDR4 $289.99

https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/Z690-AERO-G-DDR4-rev-10

https://www.newegg.com/intel-core-i7-12700kf-core-i7-12th-gen/p/N82E16819118345
Intel Core i7-12700KF $409.98

Reviews of that cpu w/ benchmarks.

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-core-i7-12700k-review

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/i...ryzen-9-5900x-and-5800x-face-off-intel-rising

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/intel-core-i7-12700k-alder-lake-12th-gen/

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B14h25fKMpY&t=1285s

 

[mxritz]

I'd give the i7 12700K/KF serious consideration. Gigabyte boards allow you to disable the e-cores without going into the bios (link down below). Pair it up with DDR4 3200mhz CL16 or DDR4 3600mhz CL16 RAM.

https://www.techpowerup.com/289205/...essors-to-dynamically-park-and-unpark-e-cores

https://www.newegg.com/gigabyte-aorus-z690-ud-ddr4/p/N82E16813145349
GIGABYTE Z690 UD DDR4 $199.99

https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/Z690-UD-DDR4-rev-10#kf

https://www.newegg.com/gigabyte-aorus-z690-gaming-x-ddr4/p/N82E16813145347
GIGABYTE Z690 GAMING X DDR4 $229.99

https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/Z690-GAMING-X-DDR4-rev-10#kf

https://www.newegg.com/gigabyte-z690-aorus-elite-ax-ddr4/p/N82E16813145350
GIGABYTE Z690 AORUS ELITE AX DDR4 $269.99

https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/Z690-AORUS-ELITE-AX-DDR4-rev-10#kf

https://www.newegg.com/gigabyte-aorus-z690-aero-g-ddr4/p/N82E16813145346
GIGABYTE Z690 AERO G DDR4 $289.99

https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/Z690-AERO-G-DDR4-rev-10

https://www.newegg.com/intel-core-i7-12700kf-core-i7-12th-gen/p/N82E16819118345
Intel Core i7-12700KF $409.98

Reviews of that cpu w/ benchmarks.

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-core-i7-12700k-review

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/i...ryzen-9-5900x-and-5800x-face-off-intel-rising

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/intel-core-i7-12700k-alder-lake-12th-gen/

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B14h25fKMpY&t=1285s

hey man thanks a lot,

what about gpu?

 

[geofelt]

Do you have a budget?
Are you capable of building a PC yourself?

You will usually do better by assembling a pc yourself.
On a prebuilt, you may need to send the whole pc back to fix an issue.
A pre build will not be designed to be upgraded, and the parts may not be top quality.


On graphics cards, you can often buy what you want by signing up for the newegg lottery.
They may bundle the card at near retail pricing with another product which you may or may not want.
It takes patience, perhaps several weeks or more to find exactly the brand and model you want.

The amount of ram you need is determined by the amount of multitasking you may do.
It has little relation to gaming FPS, just so long as you have enough.
For just gaming, 16gb is fine.
But for apps like photoshop, you will want more.
Here is an article on photoshop hardware recommendations:
https://www.pugetsystems.com/recomm...-Adobe-Photoshop-139/Hardware-Recommendations
And a more recent update on 12th gen intel:

Adobe Photoshop: 12th Gen Intel Core vs AMD Ryzen 5000 Series

Intel has launched their new 12th Gen Intel Core desktop processors (code-named "Alder Lake") featuring support for DDR5, PCIe 5.0, as well as a completely new hybrid architecture using a mix of Performance and Efficient-cores. Photoshop is largely single-threaded which may diminish the value of...

www.pugetsystems.com

I am guessing that to get 100fps you will need a 3080 class graphics card.
Games like CSGO are largely single threaded. Intel 12th gen are the way to go for that.

 

[mxritz]

Do you have a budget?
Are you capable of building a PC yourself?

You will usually do better by assembling a pc yourself.
On a prebuilt, you may need to send the whole pc back to fix an issue.
A pre build will not be designed to be upgraded, and the parts may not be top quality.


On graphics cards, you can often buy what you want by signing up for the newegg lottery.
They may bundle the card at near retail pricing with another product which you may or may not want.
It takes patience, perhaps several weeks or more to find exactly the brand and model you want.

The amount of ram you need is determined by the amount of multitasking you may do.
It has little relation to gaming FPS, just so long as you have enough.
For just gaming, 16gb is fine.
But for apps like photoshop, you will want more.
Here is an article on photoshop hardware recommendations:
https://www.pugetsystems.com/recomm...-Adobe-Photoshop-139/Hardware-Recommendations
And a more recent update on 12th gen intel:

Adobe Photoshop: 12th Gen Intel Core vs AMD Ryzen 5000 Series

Intel has launched their new 12th Gen Intel Core desktop processors (code-named "Alder Lake") featuring support for DDR5, PCIe 5.0, as well as a completely new hybrid architecture using a mix of Performance and Efficient-cores. Photoshop is largely single-threaded which may diminish the value of...

www.pugetsystems.com

I am guessing that to get 100fps you will need a 3080 class graphics card.

Around 3k - 3.5k is my budget. I have never built a pc myself, but I am sure I can manage. I am from austria, does newegg do worldwide-shipping?

 

[geofelt]

Around 3k - 3.5k is my budget. I have never built a pc myself, but I am sure I can manage. I am from austria, does newegg do worldwide-shipping?

I do not know your currency, nor where you might shop.
Newegg does not ship world wide.
But, I found an interesting outfit that will buy from newegg and ship to you:

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[mxritz]

I do not know your currency, nor where you might shop.
Newegg does not ship world wide.
But, I found an interesting outfit that will buy from newegg and ship to you:

How to Buy from the USA Newegg Online Store - International Shipping

Want to buy from the USA Newegg Online Store? We can help! International Shipping Available. Learn more!

www.bigapplebuddy.com

alright, seems promising. thanks a lot for your help and time, I appreciate it!

 

[jacob249358]

Around 3k - 3.5k is my budget. I have never built a pc myself, but I am sure I can manage. I am from austria, does newegg do worldwide-shipping?

I'm not a professional and I don't have much experience in the high-end market but I think this is a pretty good part list. I didn't fill in the GPU because I don't know what you can find in your area but it comes to 1500 w/out it. Hopefully, you can find a 3080 or something nice. Definitely get more opinions before dropping 3 grand on your PC though

 

[Why_Me]

https://www.computeruniverse.net/en/p/90778166
Phanteks Eclipse P400A €69,67

Exhaust fan for that case.

https://www.computeruniverse.net/en/p/90752987
Arctic P12 PWM 120mm 4-Pin Case Fan €5,33

https://www.computeruniverse.net/en/p/90778296
Seasonic Focus GX-850 80+ Gold 850W Modular PSU €102,44

https://www.computeruniverse.net/en/p/90848816
GIGABYTE Z690 UD DDR4 €165,66

https://www.computeruniverse.net/en/p/90849193
Intel Core i7 12700KF €361,34

https://www.computeruniverse.net/en/p/90785414
Arctic Liquid Freezer II 240 €59,58

https://www.computeruniverse.net/en/p/90782615
G.Skill Aegis DDR4 3200mhz 32GB (2x16GB) CL16 €94,75

https://www.computeruniverse.net/en/p/90742995
Intel 660P M.2 PCIe 3.0 x4 1TB SSD €85,48

Total: €944,25

https://www.amazon.de/-/en/Gaming-GeForce-Graphics-Bearing-Military/dp/B099991CDN/
ASUS TUF Gaming NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080 V2 OC Edition 12GB Graphics Card €1,699.90

https://www.amazon.de/-/en/Gainward-Graphique-GeForce-Phoenix-2379/dp/B0967B3DN6/
Gainward Nvidia GeForce RTX 3080 Ti Phoenix OC 12GB Graphics Card €2,190.00

http://www.phanteks.com/Eclipse-P400A.html

https://www.arctic.de/us/blog/arctic-lga1700-mounting-kits-for-alder-lake

 

[mxritz]

I'd give the i7 12700K/KF serious consideration. Gigabyte boards allow you to disable the e-cores without going into the bios (link down below). Pair it up with DDR4 3200mhz CL16 or DDR4 3600mhz CL16 RAM.

https://www.techpowerup.com/289205/...essors-to-dynamically-park-and-unpark-e-cores

https://www.newegg.com/gigabyte-aorus-z690-ud-ddr4/p/N82E16813145349
GIGABYTE Z690 UD DDR4 $199.99

https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/Z690-UD-DDR4-rev-10#kf

https://www.newegg.com/gigabyte-aorus-z690-gaming-x-ddr4/p/N82E16813145347
GIGABYTE Z690 GAMING X DDR4 $229.99

https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/Z690-GAMING-X-DDR4-rev-10#kf

https://www.newegg.com/gigabyte-z690-aorus-elite-ax-ddr4/p/N82E16813145350
GIGABYTE Z690 AORUS ELITE AX DDR4 $269.99

https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/Z690-AORUS-ELITE-AX-DDR4-rev-10#kf

https://www.newegg.com/gigabyte-aorus-z690-aero-g-ddr4/p/N82E16813145346
GIGABYTE Z690 AERO G DDR4 $289.99

https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/Z690-AERO-G-DDR4-rev-10

https://www.newegg.com/intel-core-i7-12700kf-core-i7-12th-gen/p/N82E16819118345
Intel Core i7-12700KF $409.98

Reviews of that cpu w/ benchmarks.

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-core-i7-12700k-review

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/i...ryzen-9-5900x-and-5800x-face-off-intel-rising

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/intel-core-i7-12700k-alder-lake-12th-gen/

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B14h25fKMpY&t=1285s

hey man, a bit late but why would I want to disable the e-cores? and why not use DDR5 ram over ddr4?

 

[Why_Me]

hey man, a bit late but why would I want to disable the e-cores? and why not use DDR5 ram over ddr4?

DDR5 is way overpriced and a few older games don't always play nice with e-cores.

 

[mxritz]

DDR5 is way overpriced and a few older games don't always play nice with e-cores.

so performance wise the 12th generation is way better then 11th right? but I also have to pay more money in general if I want to go for the i712700 then i711700 (better cooling system, motherboard that supports the 12700)? How much better is the performance and is it even worth it to go for the 12700 then?

 

[Why_Me]

so performance wise the 12th generation is way better then 11th right? but I also have to pay more money in general if I want to go for the i712700 then i711700 (better cooling system, motherboard that supports the 12700)? How much better is the performance and is it even worth it to go for the 12700 then?

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-core-i7-12700k-review

 

[geofelt]

In general the performance per clock is supposed to be some 19% better with 12th gen vs. 11th.
That is a big deal.

DDR4 ram is cheaper than ddr5 and performs about the same.
DDR4 bases Z690 motherboards are also less expensive.
If you already have DDR4 ram, you can use it for a nice savings.

On the heat issue, yes, a fully loaded 12900K can get quite toasty.
But, most of the time, particularly for games, you are not fully stressing all cores.
Even if you did, I think the processor will not fail.
At least, mine kept on truckking with a few cores at 100c.

Lastly on the Ecores issue. it only applies to some hundred or so older games which get confused about the E cores.
Some 95% of those have been fixed by now.

 

[mxritz]

In general the performance per clock is supposed to be some 19% better with 12th gen vs. 11th.
That is a big deal.

DDR4 ram is cheaper than ddr5 and performs about the same.
DDR4 bases Z690 motherboards are also less expensive.
If you already have DDR4 ram, you can use it for a nice savings.

On the heat issue, yes, a fully loaded 12900K can get quite toasty.
But, most of the time, particularly for games, you are not fully stressing all cores.
Even if you did, I think the processor will not fail.
At least, mine kept on truckking with a few cores at 100c.

Lastly on the Ecores issue. it only applies to some hundred or so older games which get confused about the E cores.
Some 95% of those have been fixed by now.

that sounds very promising. I think I'll go with the i712700. Do I need watercooling for that and are there any coolers you recommend from certain brands? Also for the 3080 ti any particual brand (I mean resellers like msi, asus, gigabyte etc.) or is that rather secondary? Also is it worth it to get a glass-sided case? Because I have heard those have very bad airflow..

 

[geofelt]

To answer your question...I think liquid cooling is not necessary.

I tested a new build with a 12900K using a noctua NH-U12s.
It ran well, but under a cpu-Z stress test, some cores got to the 100c. throttle point.
The good news is that the cpu just kept on working and did not fail.
A 12700K will not be as demanding.
Noctua has a compatibility chart for the 12700K:
https://ncc.noctua.at/cpus/model/Intel-Core-i7-12700K-1579
The NH-U12s shows to be fine.
That said, I would pay a bit more for the NH-D15s which will be larger, quieter, and more effective.
It has about the same cooling capability as a 240 aio cooler.

If you are overclocking(which I do not recommend) then all bets are off and you should be looking at a 360 sized aio cooler.

I always try to buy EVGA in graphics cards. They have good support.
Unfortunately, a 3080ti of any brand will be hard to come by at reasonable prices.

I would have no problem with a glass sided case.
What you want is a case with good front intake airflow capabilities. Something like two 140mm intakes.
That airflow is needed to supply the graphics card, motherboard, and cpu coolers with fresh air.

There are some cases which include two 200mm front intakes.

 

[Stephanie_Sy]

Hey everyone!

I am looking to buy a new pc for both gaming and doing 3D-stuff, video editing etc. Is it worth to build your own pc with current GPU prices or is it better to find a prebuilt pc? If yes, what are some good options/companies for a prebuilt pc and what graphics card / CPU / how much ram should I look after if I want to get consistent 100fps on an ultrawide (3440 x 1440 Pixel, UWQHD) monitor.

I hope this is the right section, didnt know where to ask this.

Thanks in advance!

Everything is so overpriced that looking at parts even prebuilts emotionally drains me lol

 

[mxritz]

To answer your question...I think liquid cooling is not necessary.

I tested a new build with a 12900K using a noctua NH-U12s.
It ran well, but under a cpu-Z stress test, some cores got to the 100c. throttle point.
The good news is that the cpu just kept on working and did not fail.
A 12700K will not be as demanding.
Noctua has a compatibility chart for the 12700K:
https://ncc.noctua.at/cpus/model/Intel-Core-i7-12700K-1579
The NH-U12s shows to be fine.
That said, I would pay a bit more for the NH-D15s which will be larger, quieter, and more effective.
It has about the same cooling capability as a 240 aio cooler.

If you are overclocking(which I do not recommend) then all bets are off and you should be looking at a 360 sized aio cooler.

I always try to buy EVGA in graphics cards. They have good support.
Unfortunately, a 3080ti of any brand will be hard to come by at reasonable prices.

I would have no problem with a glass sided case.
What you want is a case with good front intake airflow capabilities. Something like two 140mm intakes.
That airflow is needed to supply the graphics card, motherboard, and cpu coolers with fresh air.

There are some cases which include two 200mm front intakes.

ok great! I think I have everything together now, just need to see if I can manage to find all the parts and if that is too expensive building it myself maybe look for prebuilt pcs with those components. oh one more question. what about the PSU? anything certain I should look out for. sorry for all the questions haha.