Report: AMD Quad-core Llano APUs Coming in Q3

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[citation][nom]4745454b[/nom]I just want to know what improvements they've made to the cores. I know about the doubling up, etc, but how much did they increase IPC? Actually doubling most of a core but having them use some parts could actually slow dowe IPC if the shared resources are used at the same time. And unless they increased IPC by a lot, I don't see BD beating SB, or possibly even coming close.This is awesome for low power things, but I don't really care about those.[/citation]
Here is a tidbit that I saw last week about the improvements. Leaked docs, but unconfirmed. If these are correct and the info in the article is correct, BD may be able to give Sandy Bridge a good run for its money.

http://www.physorg.com/news/2011-03-amd-bulldozer-architecture-intel-core.html
 
@codekrash@yahoocom

add any basic AMD gfx chip to the mix and you got hybrid xfrie which should still handily beat intel plus dedicated gfx solution and probably still end up cheaper

@mateau

it was a direct jab at @otacon72 assertion that the video is a year old
 
The narrative has to be low-power, their graphics and their "low power" solutions are what I see. I just don't see Bulldozer being what everybody wants, Intel has to know EXACTLY what kinda product Bulldozer will be and how good it will be, I don't think their worried one bit.
 
[citation][nom]codekrash@yahoocom[/nom]The demo is a joke! It compares a system with an Intel system with no dedicated graphics card vs an AMD system with no dedicated graphics card but it has an HD6600 card embedded on the CPU. Add any basic graphics card on the Intel system and problem is solved![/citation]
The demo isn't a joke. They're comparing their APU with one from Intel. It's not AMD's fault that the GPU on sandy bridge isn't good enough to compete with the one on the llano. So in low power products like some laptops that will only have the embedded GPU the llano is a much better choice.
 
[citation][nom]codekrash@yahoocom[/nom]The demo is a joke! It compares a system with an Intel system with no dedicated graphics card vs an AMD system with no dedicated graphics card but it has an HD6600 card embedded on the CPU. Add any basic graphics card on the Intel system and problem is solved![/citation]

The test shows a comparison between Intel's best offering in the graphics department versus what is presumably AMD's best offering in graphics embedded in a CPU. The point of the test is that it's a mobile offering or low-mid desktop environment where you're actually trying to avoid buying a discrete graphics card simply because you don't need it (for desktops which aren't gaming) or because they draw too much power (as per a laptop).
 
[citation][nom]mateau[/nom]@otacon"AMD is so far behind now. All they've been releasing is fluff videos for over a year now."Man what planet are you from?AMD has executed! Nvidia has a very bleak future if they don't go the way of Blockbuster.But it's okay if you don't understand. Everybody was a newbie at one time so you can be excused.The PCI will not be supported after 2015. Intel made this cleear with the $1.5 billion settlemnet agreement with AMD. Sonce the Sound card market is just about shot and Fusion and Sandy Bridge wrecking the mass market for graphics GPU's what eles is there to use a PCI slot? Remember when you bough a motherboard with 5 PCU slots? A modem, Turtle Beach Sound Card, Graphics card, interface card, and what else..........PCI will be dead.[/citation]

do you ever take you'r lips off of AMD's butt? i never heard anyone speak as much BS as this.
 
How long until I see actual laptops and tablet PCs (not tablets like iPad/Xoom/Galaxy) so I can compare specs and performance? I'm already saving up to replace an aging tablet PC from Gateway, but I also want to see what this does for mid-range gaming laptops.
 
[citation][nom]mateau[/nom] If AMD is using this year’s top discrete gpu design for next years Fusion APU then the discrete gpu market is most certainly dead. Will there be a reason to upgrade a one year old Llano box with the latest discrete GPU? For what gain other than bragging rights? And what would be the discrete GPU demand looking forward?The real question becomes is that AMD’s plan? And if so how does Nvidia plan to keep the discrete market open? Does Nvidia license core designs to Intel?The other question is just what does AMD plan to do with Bulldozer? It seems that Bulldozer will be the server, workstation or high performance desktop and gamers cpu. [/citation]
the discrete gpu market will not be dead, i cite the cache limit bottle neck for the bus speed(1866mhz ddr3 memory despite no cpu bus speed mentioned so i base on that because i have to)and the wattage those alone tell a pretty important fact. Llano is AMD's counter to kill Sandy for the mean time.
software determines if you need to upgrade next year or not, i cite crysis, look at the hardware when it debuted, look how long it's taken to catch up. crysis2 had to be dumbed down just so they could sell enough copies to people running old hardware in this depression(recessions don't last years, depressions do), they can't all afford to upgrade right now or see no real reason to until Intel and AMD upgraded their cpu & gpus @ reasonable $dollar per watt & performance gains. it's very reflective in the fact millions of people are still using windows xp.
Nvidia already has, and has had a gpu lisc. agreement with intel for the last several years, idk how you missed that.
i am not sure because bulldozer is not out yet, my best guess is bulldozer will be for non-mobile machines. my only hope is bulldozer does not carry over this cache and bus bottleneck.
even so these sandy and llano's are just the low end entry chips. reminds me of the pentium2 slot&3 fcpga and athlon slot and fcpga debut era.
 
[citation][nom]scuba dave[/nom]If you honestly think Nvidia has a bleak future.. You obviously haven't been in the game long enough to call anyone a newbie. It's okay if you don't understand as well. Alot of people here make blind statements. [/citation]
Nvidia has a very bleak future. it now has to fight for liscensing with intel, amd has it's own gpu solution so they don't really care nor want to lisc. with nvidia while going head to head with intel. intel almost crippled nvidia permantly when they did not reach a new agreement with each other over chipset liscensing. Nvidia can no longer command or demand access like it once did, they now have to tread carefully and speak nicely for permission. i've always hated ATI, but they are no longer ATI any more and i see the developement and direction AMD is taking their gpu future into, it's very bright and with a broad spectrum, Nvidia has some major issues to fix esp with power. don't be surprised if Intel swoops in to buy up Nvidia on the low much like nvidia did with 3DFX. i miss 3DFX they were as arrogant as Nvidia was, but were on the cusp of deliverance with dual gpu break thru. sadly nvdia squandered such an opprotunity to lead in innovation and an advantage that would have saved them billions in development costs and brought us much further along then where we are today.
 
[citation][nom]ChromeTusk[/nom]How long until I see actual laptops and tablet PCs (not tablets like iPad/Xoom/Galaxy) so I can compare specs and performance? I'm already saving up to replace an aging tablet PC from Gateway, but I also want to see what this does for mid-range gaming laptops.[/citation]

depends on the platform of "fusion" you're looking for.

HTPC and fusion based CPUs/mobos are already for sale, but in mini ITX formats, like the E-350 cpu/gpu/mobos are for sale by asus and gigabyte. right now those are in competition with the intel atom and netbooks with these CPUs will be for sale soon. Not sure about the CPU-line listed in the above chart, though, as that's based on different architecture and for desktops and laptops
 
[citation][nom]mateau[/nom]@SteelCity1981"What's really the point of calling these 6xxx graphics when none of them even support UVD 3.0 let alone anything else related to the 6xxx series graphics when all they are is 5xxx graphics"UVD 3.0 is supported by Cyberlink for ALL AMD Fusion products. That's the whole POINT: High def decoding.[/citation]

You misread my statement. The 6xxx series APU's on the Fusions do not support UVD 3.0 They use UVD 2.2.
 
@ChromeTusk

Those who resort to personal insults hav neither the intelligence nor wit to mount a rational argument.

As MArk Twain was reputed to have said:
"Better to keep your mouth closed and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt"

Regarding your observation:

The AMD-Intle Agreement is here: http://download.intel.com/pressroom/legal/AMD_settlement_agreement.pdf


Here is some more additional reading regarding the future of PCI, the future of Nvidia and Intel compilers discriminating against non-Intel cpu's.


"Third, Intel must retain the use of the PCI Express interface for at least six years, such that GPUs can be used without suffering any performance limit. The intent is to ensure that companies like NVIDIA still have a reason to produce GPUs targeted at Intel-based systems, even when those Intel systems contain integrated GPUs.

Finally, Intel must inform software developers that its compiler discriminates between Intel and non-Intel CPUs, and that it produces code that may not use all the features of those non-Intel CPUs. The company will also have to reimburse any developer who wants to compile their software using a non-Intel compiler.

The growth of integrated GPUs poses a particular problem for NVIDIA. The GPU company has no license for the DMI and QPI buses used on Intel's current processors, which prevents it from being able to make replacement chipsets. This is one of the reasons why Apple stuck with an older, FSB-based processor for the 13" MacBook Pro. NVIDIA's only option for the new processors is to produce discrete PCI Express devices."

The above is from here:
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2010/08/intel-tentatively-settles-ftc-antitrust-suit.ars

Use a little reading comprehension and yes the future of Nvidia is bleak when you realise that Nvidia NEEDS PCI. Intel is only going to support the architecture for 4-5 more years.

Intel created PCI, PCI Express was developed by Intel, IBM, HP and Dell. Clearly PCI will either evolve again to be effective across all platforms or it will be dropped altogether in favor of a new I/O bus.

PCI-Express was created "expressly" to replace AGP. Gee whiz what happened to AGP?

Nvidia however since it no longer produces chip sets needs PCI-Exprees in order to stay alive as stated in the Agreement Text.



 
@SteelCity1981
AMD has upgraded UVD to 3.0 in ALL Fusion APUs.

http://eon.businesswire.com/news/eon/20110217005753/en
"TAIPEI, Taiwan--(EON: Enhanced Online News)--CyberLink Corp. (5203.TW) announces its flagship products PowerDVD, PowerDirector, MediaShow and MediaEspresso are now optimized for the AMD Fusion Family of Accelerated Processing Units (APUs), providing users with Hardware Accelerated HD playback using AMD UVD 3 technology"



And if you read this board you would find this:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/asrock-e350m1-amd-brazos-zacate-apu,2840-3.html

"The First Inklings Of Fusion: On-Die Video Decoding Via UVD3"
 
A correction.

The SEC modified the agreement to allow Intel to develop Oaktrail and ditch the PCI bus entirely.

"Intel and FTC Modify Settlement, Intel May Omit PCI Express Support on "Oak Trail".

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/display/20101103203641_Intel_and_FTC_Modify_Settlement_Intel_May_Omit_PCI_Express_Support_on_Oak_Trail.html

The observation made in the article was that PCI is unnecessary in highly integrated systems.

Oaktrail is an Atom based system and intended for the netbook market and possible Tablet market. Since AMD APU and Intel Atom just about own this market therew is in fact no room for Nvidia.

This implies that Nvidia has just lost a huge chunk of laptop market share. And as I earlier stated the end of PCI and PCI-E is is just over the horizon.
 
[citation][nom]captaincharisma[/nom]do you ever take you'r lips off of AMD's butt? i never heard anyone speak as much BS as this.[/citation]

Actually he makes sense. Having everything physically closer to the processor reduces the time it takes for the data to transfer and be processed. That will help speed up things. Why do you think processors have cache? because its faster to access than the RAM.

So by having a built in GPU is going to mean the communication between the GPU and CPU will improve drastically. For now it may not be possible to have a very complex GPU built in, but the future...is always changing!
 
Well, now the word on the street is Llano is shipping in April!

http://blogs.barrons.com/techtraderdaily/2011/03/23/amd-llano-is-on-track-says-sterne-agee/

Of course Digitimes previously reported that Bulldozer would ship in June and Llano in July.

An April release is certainly preferrable! Grab some market share from Intel.
 


I am not sure how many are still out there, but I am looking specifically at tablet PCs, also know as convertible notebooks. Gateway had the C- and CX-series, now discontinued. HP had the tx- and tm-series, currently selling the tm2-series. I know Dell has something, but I have not looked at it.


What are you talking about? Did you reply to the correct post? I only asked about tablet PCs.

 
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