Report: AMD to Launch Radeon HD 7950 on January 31

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[citation][nom]msgun98[/nom]According to the rumors, the 7850 will perform like a slightly higher clocked 6950. Basically they are going back to the naming from the 4xxx series and 5xxx series days instead of their weird naming for the 6-series.[/citation]

The 7850 will be a die-shrinked version of the 6950 updated with the latest standard (DX11.1).
 
[citation][nom]Zeh[/nom]At these price points, I'm not sure I'm interested in this generation. Perpahps when nVidia launches Kepler we'll see more reasonable pricing from AMD.Can't blame them for charging what the product is worth tho, even if it is a lot more than it costs.Hopefully this generation will drive the 6000 series prices down further. I can already see 6870s at a very nice pricing around here, even with the Dollar going up against BRL.[/citation]
um... 6gb of ram, and how big the die sizes are on these gpus, they aren't honestly over pricing it by much, all their dual gpu cards cost more because they cant sell them in bulk. [citation][nom]Marcus52[/nom]When you look at the transistor count, it's kind of amazing that the GPUs aren't more expensive.The 7970 has more than 3 times the transistors that Bulldozer has. When you add the rest of what's on a video card - DDR5 memory, a cooling solution, of course the board itself, and connectors, whatever other goodies the manufacturer throws in (cables and connectors), paying $550-$600 for the 7970 doesn't seem like so much.(Of course, I remember when you could pay a grand for a single-GPU card. $600 doesn't seem like so much in that light. )I think it would be silly for Nvidia to hold off and try to time Kepler's release with Ivy Bridge. What's the point in making potential customers wait longer? Many of us are chomping at the proverbial bit already. I think this is probably a silly rumor, really.[/citation]

its not about the transistor count, its the die size that matters.
 
- Well,.. "Papa's gotta brand new bag" eh.. and that AMD's brand new bag comes in the state of the art
28nm process tech, 384 bit, Pci v3, highly overclockable hi performance long video card with the name
7950 which doesnt come cheap but will provide you the gaming performance more than your expectation.

- Talking about the 7990 dual GPU video card, its a bit confusing though. It says on this article the Radeon
7990 WILL USE TWO 7990 GPUs???.. So, there's a much higher 7900 series GPU model than the 7970
model which AMD will use on its 7990 model??? Not two 7970 GPU BUT TWO 7990 GPUs???..

 
Where is the 7850, its about time for an upgrade.

Although my 4850 still plays everything on ultra settings(thank you consoles for stalling pc game graphics for the past few years feh). But soon the new consoles will come out and games will start needing more gpu power again.
 
Would like to see a side by side comparison with the 5870. That card is still a beast and it would be good to see the value of upgrading vs waiting for a $200 5870 to run in crossfire.
 
[citation][nom]de5_roy[/nom]hopefully 2gb versions of these high end cards would appear down the line... to undercut nvidia's kepler prices.[/citation]
A 2GB version doesn't seem likely, as that would require changing the memory configuration. A lower priced 1.5GB version seems possible though.
 
[citation][nom]msgun98[/nom]According to the rumors, the 7850 will perform like a slightly higher clocked 6950. Basically they are going back to the naming from the 4xxx series and 5xxx series days instead of their weird naming for the 6-series.[/citation]
How so? The 7970 is the high-end single GPU card, like the previous gen 6970. The 5970 was an ultra high-end dual GPU card. The same holds true for the 7870/7850, which will be positioned as mid-range cards in the HD7000 series lineup, whereas the 5870 was the high-end single GPU card of its generation. AMD isn't "going back" to their old naming scheme, their keeping the same naming conventions as the HD6000 series.
 
[citation][nom]Marcus52[/nom]When you look at the transistor count, it's kind of amazing that the GPUs aren't more expensive.[/citation]
?? Transistor count doesn't determine pricing, die size does. The only reason the HD7970 is priced so high right now is due to lack of competition. The HD7970 really should be a $500 card, at most.
 
[citation][nom]vaibhavdagar[/nom]i found it very interesting that hd 7990 is equipped with two hd 7990(means quadfire).lolz.[/citation]

They forgot to mention the card will be a minimum 3 feet long. And require a nuclear powerplant for a PSU.
 
It's not a graphics card developers job to optimize their graphics card for a lazy developer who still insists on using DX9 to begin with. Remember, AMD doesn't work for Bethesda, it's not their job to fix others mistakes. Blame Bethesda and all those other crappy console developers for holding back our GPUs power. Really, if a developer can't release a game that performs optimally and blames graphic card developers like NVIDIA and AMD, we can all see who is at really fault here.
 
[citation][nom]vaibhavdagar[/nom]i found it very interesting that hd 7990 is equipped with two hd 7990(means quadfire).lolz.[/citation]

You would need a separate PSU, and a super water block for four 7970 cores packed onto one printed circuit board. God help you if you decide to go with air cooling that monster, because a fan would have to be ear-blowing loud to dissipate 1000W of heat. You would need another god helping you if you decid to OC that heat monster.
 
More interested in the rumored 1.5GB version. You don't really need any more than that to drive a single 1920x1200 screen. If the price for that one were around $300 then it would be an amazing card, but I doubt it'd be that low. For $350 it'd still be pretty good, around 20% faster than the 6970 and with MUCH more overclocking headroom. 1.5GB of VRAM will probably have some problems with 5760x1080/1200, though.
 
For the guys who confused the power usages and other specs of the 7970 and 7990:

The 7970 has a 250w TDP or thereabouts so it uses about the same amount of power as the 6970. It actually may use a little more power at load but uses much less power than the 6970 at idle.

The 7970 die size is very small even though it has more than 4 billion transistors and is a little smaller than the 6970 Cayman die.

The 7990 will probably not need to be under-clocked any more than the 6990 was and it wasn't really under-clocked, only one BIOS on it was and the flip of a switch fixes that. The 7990 will be about as power hungry as the 690 at load, probably slightly more and will have about the same idle power usage as a single 7970 because of Zero core tech that completely disables secondary GPUs when not in use. That also means that the 7990 and CFX setups may be able to shut down secondary GPUs when not doing something that uses them like gaming even if the primary GPU isn't idling, a great feature to save power when a high end computer isn't doing any GPU heavy work.

There will never be a 2GB version of the 7900 cards. They would need a change to their memory controllers and that just won't happen. It would reduce performance unless AMD opted for a 512 bit bus upgrade and that is very unlikely so to get 2GB AMD would have to lower the width to 256 bits (or even lower) and that would kill the performance. without a huge memory overclock over reference designs which could create other problems anyway. If AMD or another company really wanted to they could disable two of the 64 bit memory controllers present in 7900 Tahiti GPUs to get a 256 bit bus without any hardware changes but like I said that would still reduce performance without a huge memory overclock.

However, there will be a cheaper 1.5GB version of the 7950 that reduces memory capacity without reducing performance outside of situations that use the extra capacity. The 7950 will probably perform similarly to a GTX 580 but that is pure speculation on my part as I have no evidence to prove that claim.

The reason memory capacity is tied to the bus width is that each chip uses 32 bits of that bus width. To remove or add chips you need to decrease or increase the bus width or have two chips share the same part of the bus (like in DDR3 system RAM, all the chips on the module share the bus to the CPU)and that last one may reduce performance anyway (but not nearly as much as decreasing the width of the bus). So with a 384 bit bus you preferably have twelve 32 bit chips. Capacity per chip is generally 128MB or 256MB (megabytes, not megabits) so 12 chips times each per chip capacity is 1.5GB and 3GB.


For anyone claiming that the 7900 cards aren't overpriced consider this: two Radeon 6870s, easily obtained for around $300, have almost identical frame rates (a single stock 6870 is about 53% a stock 7970) yet the 7970 costs another $250-$300. The increase in price does not justify the 50w lower TDP than two 6870s and the only raw performance benefit is in any game where 2GB of RAM per 6870 is not enough and 3GB is necessary, an unlikely scenario right now and probably for a while. The option to buy a second overpriced 7970 (or third or fourth) for crossfire to roughly double (or triple or quadruple) the dual 6870s performance doesn't help much but I'll admit it helps.

At least these 7970s have more value than the GTX 580 does but that's not a difficult accomplishment when the GTX 580 is so expensive when two Radeon 6950s can be had for the same price and run circles around the 580.

I'll also admit the benefit of reduced micro-stuttering and similar effects that plague most dual GPU setups from having a single 7970 instead of two 6870s but that depends on the person, game, the monitor, and less so on the rest of the machine. Unfortunately none of this is enough to justify roughly double the price for similar performance. And if you don't like the idea of two 6870s, well two 6950s and maybe two 6970s if you get a good deal can be had for less then a single 7970 even though they both would outperform it and still have an upgrade avenue for boards with three/four x16 PCIe ports like X58 and X79. (I won't count AMD boards because AMD CPUs can't handle the GPU horsepower even close to well enough)

Then there is also the option of dual 6870 cards paired with a single 6870 (trifire) and two dual 6870 cards (quadfire). Having a third or fourth GPU is shown to pretty much eliminate micro-stuttering in Radeon 6870 setups by Tom's in a previous article. And how much would those setups cost? well dual 6870 boards are expensive but the good one costs $400 and with a $150 6870 it costs $550 for trifire, in the price range of a single 7970 while having about 35-50% more performance without micro-stuttering problems. There are problems associated with this (the dual 6870 cards all have only 1GB of RAM per GPU and a few games don't like trifire/quadfire) but it's another solution to people whom want huge frame rates on a 1080p panel without spending as much as other solutions would cost for similar performance.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-geforce-stutter-crossfire,2995.html
That is the article mentioned in the above paragraph. It was made a while before the 7970 came out so the 7970 isn't included but it does provide info on tri and quad crossfire 6870s.

I apologize about the huge rant but didn't want to leave anything out.
 
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