Right or wrong?

[gropouce]

@gropouce

I don't know where you get that the Jews are burning the Palestinan's olive groves and such. That sounds like a bunch of anti-semitic propaganda to me.

Le Figaro - French newspaper, 19/09/2011

"Israeli settlers set fire to an olive grove that night in which five hundred trees were burned near Nablus in the northern West Bank, said the Palestinian official security services. The incident caused by settlers from the nearby settlement of Yitzhar occurred near the village of Einabbous. The Israeli army prevented Palestinian firefighters from Nablus to come and fight against fire.

Extremist settlers have a policy of retaliation, said the "price tag", which is to take revenge on Palestinian targets, and recently on the Israeli army or Israeli anti-settlement activists, every time the Israeli authorities take measures they consider hostile to settlement.

Following the demolition by the army of three homes built in West Bank settlements, settlers and radicals have recently conducted a series of anti-Palestinian attacks, including against mosques.

Vandals have also introduced a nightly basis for the IDF near Ramallah, West Bank, and military vehicles were damaged. A suspect 26-year-old from the settlement of Eli, was arrested."

http://www.lefigaro.fr/flash-actu/2011/09/19/97001-20110919FILWWW00634-500-oliviers-brules-par-des-colons-israeliens.php

 

[gropouce]

No, you're right dude.
But these dirty bastards Islamists are treacherous and lied to AFP that broadcast the information without checking it.
They actually were roasting marshmallows around a campfire.

 

[mjmjpfaff]

BTW do you REALLY think that Israel, one of the powerful army in the world, first ally of the U.S. (which pays $ 3 billion a year for "safety" ) is in danger?

And we give no money to Palestine or any of the other corrupt nations in the middle east. not a well thought through statement.

Gropouce- Mutt x's questions were not stupid. you just didnt want to answer them.

link to that Khaled Mechaal statement?

Who says this land belongs to Jews and only Jews?
Where are the Palestinians supposed to live? (are they supposed to live? anyway, they are dying in general indifference.)
If the Jews should get "their" land for historical reasons, I think the Americans should leave their country, back in Ireland, Scotland, England, France, Africa etc and leave the country to the Native Americans.

no one said it only belonged to the jews. it is not israel's fault that the palestine government cannot take care of its people.
that is a silly statement. there are few native Americans that are full native american so what would the 1/8 native americans do? they couldn't populate america. Jews can populate Israel. where are they supposed to go? back to Germany. that isnt really home sweet home huh?

 

[wanamingo]

Oldman you are calling that kettle black as night.

I highly doubt it is unbiased and objective.

 

[gropouce]

I'm not saying that, i'm just questioning the "source" in that article. I highly doubt it is unbiased and objective.

I know oldman, it was a dispatch from AFP, Agence France Presse, the equivalent of Reuters.
I'm pretty sure they check their informations.

 

[wanamingo]

As a side note not to derail the thread but.........

Gropouce your English is getting really good. You have a better handle on it then some of the people who post here.

 

[Mutt x]

Gropounce,

You seem to have no sense of objectivity. Your posts fail to recognize this is a relationship problem with no innocent parties. You just list criticisms of Israel or justify Hamas.

It seems you have accepted a narrative (like victim-bully) that blinds you to evidence that contradicts it. You are not trying to use reason but are driven by subjective emotions and perceptions. Therefore, it gives you great comfort to hear people say things you agree with and you dismiss ideas and/or people off as "stupid" if they challenge your assumptions, bias or ideas.

What is extra amusing is that you think everyone else posting here "thinks' just like you! lol

I do know your speak English much better than I speak anything else. Kudos for that.

 

[Mutt x]

If you follow the link you will find an incredibly articulate and accurate analysis of the exchange. Of course a quick look at the comments and you can find many who defensively fallaliciously disagree.

Lord, help us all.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2050569/Gilad-Shalit-release-marks-collapse-peace-process.html

 

[gropouce]

Thx Wanamingo 😀

Gropounce,

You seem to have no sense of objectivity. Your posts fail to recognize this is a relationship problem with no innocent parties. You just list criticisms of Israel or justify Hamas.

It seems you have accepted a narrative (like victim-bully) that blinds you to evidence that contradicts it. You are not trying to use reason but are driven by subjective emotions and perceptions. Therefore, it gives you great comfort to hear people say things you agree with and you dismiss ideas and/or people off as "stupid" if they challenge your assumptions, bias or ideas.

What is extra amusing is that you think everyone else posting here "thinks' just like you! lol

I do know your speak English much better than I speak anything else. Kudos for that.

Thank you for psychoanalysis, but I think it will not help next time. In a debate, when one attacks the credibility of the other with grotesque suppositions, the discussion is ruined. And it shows the inability to produce counterarguments.
As i said earlier, i think both parts have to be blame. Look.

I am not defending either of the parties, or if I do, it is to balance the debate a bit, because few people will. I have many grievances against the Israelis and Palestinians. We must blame the two nations.

I will read the article that you put a link.

Lord, help us all.

Including Palestinians? 😀

 

[mjmjpfaff]

yes including Palestinians so that they will realize that our god (same for Jews Christians and Muslims) would not want any of his people to murder each other. if the Palestinians could find it in their hearts to share land that historically was inhabited by Jews and not want Israel wiped off the planet i'm sure the good lord would be happy.