News RTX 4070 Rumored to Launch April 13th

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Nvidia expected to unveil GeForce RTX 4070 in mid-April.

RTX 4070 Rumored to Launch April 13th : Read more

 

[thisisaname]

Wonder how over priced they are going to be?
They can get away with it due to AMD not pushing them on price.

 

[LolaGT]

$799 MSRP.
I'm sure that number is a fairytale.

But it already isn't worth near the MSRP. It is a $500 card, maybe.

The suckers can't wait to give nvidia more money though.

 

[KyaraM]

$799 MSRP.
I'm sure that number is a fairytale.

But it already isn't worth near the MSRP. It is a $500 card, maybe.

The suckers can't wait to give nvidia more money though.

AMD isn't really pricing differently, though. So there is absolutely no incentive to lower prices, except people aren't buying. Complaining obviously doesn't work, so if you don't like it, don't get it.

 

[USAFRet]

Vote with your wallet.
Don't buy it, either AMD or Nvidia, until it is at a price you are comfortable with.

 

[ManDaddio]

It's funny how people blame Nvidia for high prices but don't criticize AMD for their now high prices.

If everything is high then it's Nvidia's fault. Ummm,ok.

Well, Nvidia has more stuff crammed in their gpus. What's AMD excuse when I keep hearing Nvidia critics saying they (AMD)pay less to manufacturer their gpus as compared to Nvidia?

We do truly live in a time of insane thinking.

I imagine the prices will scale as expected. Therefore, why the surprise or even anger?

RTX 4090 $1600
RTX 4080 $1200
RTX 4070ti $799
RTX 4070 $599-$699
RTX 4060ti $499-$599
RTX 4060 $299-$399
RTX 4050 $199-$299 (based on bus size)

What is the surprise here?

 

[KyaraM]

It's funny how people blame Nvidia for high prices but don't criticize AMD for their now high prices.

If everything is high then it's Nvidia's fault. Ummm,ok.

Well, Nvidia has more stuff crammed in their gpus. What's AMD excuse when I keep hearing Nvidia critics saying they (AMD)pay less to manufacturer their gpus as compared to Nvidia?

We do truly live in a time of insane thinking.

I imagine the prices will scale as expected. Therefore, why the surprise or even anger?

RTX 4090 $1600
RTX 4080 $1200
RTX 4070ti $799
RTX 4070 $599-$699
RTX 4060ti $499-$599
RTX 4060 $299-$399
RTX 4050 $199-$299 (based on bus size)

What is the surprise here?

There isn't exactly surprise rather than people finding the prices too steep. Which I can understand to an extend, but like you, I'm baffled as to why AMD isn't getting scolded as well. Well, actually, I'm not baffled. It's the same as always, also see how Nvidia is getting ridiculed for the connector thing (user error, especially considering that GN also made native 16-pin cables burn, not just the adapters) while AMD's vapor chamber is getting off Scott free (very big design flaw). One issue can be easily avoided by paying attention, the other not so much. But the one that can be avoided is the worse one because... reasons.

Meanwhile, we have to thank AMD for FSR and Freesync according to certain people, but not Nvidia for popularizing the technology in the form of G-Sync and DLSS in the first place. AMD are the innovators, and Intel and Nvidia don't develop anything new. It truly is crazy.

 

[Ar558]

I'm guessing $699, no way it's less than $649. Nvidia have put a stake in the ground with the higher cards that they are raising the costs of GPUs across the board so I can't see them making it any cheaper plus if it was lower than $649 it will cannibalise 4070ti sales.

 

[Giroro]

Vote with your wallet.
Don't buy it, either AMD or Nvidia, until it is at a price you are comfortable with.

The prices are so astronomical, I don't think the "don't buy it" economics really apply this time around.
They could lose a third of all sales, and they'll still be making more money than ever before.

Making more revenue and profit without having to manage the logistics of dealing with all those pesky products? I bet Nvidia is thrilled with the current loss of sales and trying to get even better at making more money by selling less product.
Jensen is probably out there buried in excel graphs, trying to figure out if he can keep at least 11% of the sales volume when he makes all their cards 10x more expensive. Monopoly 101 says, "Yes. Yes he can."

They would much rather box and sell 1 GPU at $10,000 instead of 99 GPUs at $100.
Nvidia doesn't want the gaming mass market. They don't care anymore.
They think they're John Deere, not uh, some fictional competitor to John Deere who would hypothetically want to sell affordable tractors to a mass market.

Gaming GPUs got too powerful, so Nvidia realized they have to kill them off to prevent cannibalization of their near-identical (but far more overpriced) professional cards.
Some number of (non-gamer) people have no choice but to use a GPU. Nvidia will find that number, and stack their products to best exploit them. It feels like Nvidia is trying to bring us back to the early 90's, where most GPUs were only accessible to the kind of people who have a business necessity to buy $50,000 professional workstations.

Nvidia will do less work, and makes more money. The only losers are the gamers, and I guess the advertiser/influncers who are going to eventually have to find some other culture to create, corner, and exploit.

 

[Giroro]

It's funny how people blame Nvidia for high prices but don't criticize AMD for their now high prices.

If everything is high then it's Nvidia's fault. Ummm,ok.

Well, Nvidia has more stuff crammed in their gpus. What's AMD excuse when I keep hearing Nvidia critics saying they (AMD)pay less to manufacturer their gpus as compared to Nvidia?

We do truly live in a time of insane thinking.

I imagine the prices will scale as expected. Therefore, why the surprise or even anger?

RTX 4090 $1600
RTX 4080 $1200
RTX 4070ti $799
RTX 4070 $599-$699
RTX 4060ti $499-$599
RTX 4060 $299-$399
RTX 4050 $199-$299 (based on bus size)

What is the surprise here?

AMD announces their products/prices after Nvidia for a reason, you know.
They are a follower.

Also, if you go through Nvidia's rumored/leaked/traditional product stack there is very little chance that an RTX 4050 (or any gpu) at or below $300 exists from them this generation. At least not this year, as they would have had to start a new mega-low-end die design from scratch.
There's no silicon design in their lineup to fill that slot. Their "would-be" 4050 spec die got bumped up the stack when they made the late decision to sell a 4060 spec card as the "RTX 4080 12GB".
It will take them some time and investment to go back to the drawing board and make a newer lowerer end design to replace their low end, but they have absolutely no motivation to put in that work.

Or another way to say that is an RTX 4050 used to exist, until they realized they can make more money by calling it an RTX 4070. But now that design is probably going to be called an RTX 4060 Ti. Either way, it's still going to cost $700, with its fictional MSRP set at $600.
Maybe you'll be able to get an RTX 3060 for near $300 in a year, but Nvidia is more likely to cancel production of that design rather than let it fall back down to it's $330 MSRP.

 

[KyaraM]

AMD announces their products/prices after Nvidia for a reason, you know.
They are a follower.

Also, if you go through Nvidia's rumored/leaked/traditional product stack there is very little chance that an RTX 4050 (or any gpu) at or below $300 exists from them this generation. At least not this year, as they would have had to start a new mega-low-end die design from scratch.
There's no silicon design in their lineup to fill that slot. Their "would-be" 4050 spec die got bumped up the stack when they made the late decision to sell a 4060 spec card as the "RTX 4080 12GB".
It will take them some time and investment to go back to the drawing board and make a newer lowerer end design to replace their low end, but they have absolutely no motivation to put in that work.

Or another way to say that is an RTX 4050 used to exist, until they realized they can make more money by calling it an RTX 4070. But now that design is probably going to be called an RTX 4060 Ti. Either way, it's still going to cost $700, with its fictional MSRP set at $600.
Maybe you'll be able to get an RTX 3060 for near $300 in a year, but Nvidia is more likely to cancel production of that design rather than let it fall back down to it's $330 MSRP.

If they announce pricing after Nvidia and still overprice their cards, then they are even greedier and, frankly, dumber. They could get a lot more revenue by selling more but cheaper than they could by price-matching while offering less features.

And for the rest, bullocks. What is that based on, die size? The performance metrics set the card right where it is in the stack. 3090Ti was 43% faster in 4K than the 3070Ti according to Tom's test, and the 4090 is 34% faster than the 4070Ti, leaving some room for the 4090Ti or Titan or however it will be called to get the difference back to 43%.

In 1440p, the 4090 is 24.6% faster than the 4070Ti while the 3090Ti was 30.4% faster than the 3070Ti.

Or in other words, in terms of performance, the card is exactly where you would expect a 4070Ti. Btw, there already is a 4050 mobile card. So a 4050 for desktop isn't exactly a wild pipe dream or anything.

EDIT: Numbers for the card comparison based on this test by Tom's Hardware:
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4070-ti-review-a-costly-70-class-gpu/4

 

[KyaraM]

Because they are fanboys who see themselves as these moral knights while receiving a worse product from a company that does the same bad things.

This is simply false and cherry picking. Are you just going to ignore things like Optix?
AMD are not innovators. Quite the opposite. No wonder why AMD is always lagging behind Nvidia, each generation.

That was a sarcastic quote by some AMD fanboys I came across on this website. Sorry for not making that more clear, though I did say "according to some people", which should tell you it's not my opinion but theirs. I find those claims absolutely ridiculous and stupid,<Mod Edit>. And I hate that virtue signaling just as much. There is nothing morally superiour about buying AMD and neither do I have to thank them for anything.

Edit to mods: I don't know where there was a personal insult here. I agreed with that person and didn't imply I find them stupid, if that was the impression. Just the claims I was talking about. If I formulated it wrong then I am sorry. English is not my first language and sometimes I trip over things that native speakers don't even think about. Again, insulting them was not the intention in any way.

 

[USAFRet]

What is this injection manure? If a mod infact wrote that, why don't you write an actual reply with your name attached to it instead of editing people's comment.

On any organised forum, this would've resulted in being stripped off any priv. the moderator had.

I am the Moderator in question, and I removed a personal insult that was absolutely not needed.

Personal attacks and insults have no place here, and will be removed.

Are we absolutely clear on this?

 

[KyaraM]

I am the Moderator in question, and I removed a personal insult that was absolutely not needed.

Personal attacks and insults have no place here, and will be removed.

Are we absolutely clear on this?

As I stated in my edit there was no insult intended. I'm sorry it came across as one. I would like to move on from this now, please.

 

[Elusive Ruse]

A piece of news about an upcoming Nvidia card somehow turned into AMD is dumb thread

 

[hannibal]

$699 is the most likely price point. Nvidia has been quite ”logical” in their 4000 series pricing. $699 would follow the steep pricing of the rest of the line upp!
And this will be one of the best selling parts of 4000 series. Same price as 3080 MSRP so very popular indeed… But 4060 at $500 will be tye most popular as always… 4050 at $400 the second near that one.

 

[Why_Me]

$799 MSRP.
I'm sure that number is a fairytale.

But it already isn't worth near the MSRP. It is a $500 card, maybe.

The suckers can't wait to give nvidia more money though.

You probably should have read the article. $799.99 is the MSRP for the 4070 Ti, not the 4070 and yes a 4070 Ti can be had for $799.99.

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/kV...-ti-12-gb-video-card-tuf-rtx4070ti-12g-gaming
Asus TUF GAMING RTX 4070 Ti 12GB Video Card $799.99

 

[daworstplaya]

Vote with your wallet.
Don't buy it, either AMD or Nvidia, until it is at a price you are comfortable with.

I think Nvidia realized what prices the gamers were willing to pay for their GPUs during the pandemic era, as the Crypto bros bought up GPUs by the pallet loads causing a massive supply/demand anomaly. The pricing for the 40 series GPUs are purely based on how much people were buying GPUs for during the pandemic. Now that demand has fallen tremendously, as supply/demand has normalized, to pre-pandemic era; this type of pricing won't fly with most gamers.

Remember when the 3080 was released with a MSRP of $699?
Even with inflation there is no reason why the MSRP of the 4080 shouldn't be closer to $799.

If Nvdia were smart they would learn from the 4080 and 4070Ti sitting on store shelves and price the 4070 at or below $499.

 

[OneMoreUser]

The 4070Ti is already being held back by its 12 GB in certain titles, so the same will go for the non-Ti version.
Getting a 7900XT has become the better choice and with future games that will only become more clear.

 

[Ar558]

Personally I think as @Giroro said nVidia have realised they can make the same or more money from making luxury products at a luxury price. They have a big enough market for server products to use up their TSMC allocation at a markup much larger than GPU's less than $500 so they are just raising the prices and making more money for less work.

 

[KyaraM]

The 4070Ti is already being held back by its 12 GB in certain titles, so the same will go for the non-Ti version.
Getting a 7900XT has become the better choice and with future games that will only become more clear.

Which games would that be? I didn't encounter any.

 

[watzupken]

Given the pricing for a RTX 4070 Ti, I would think the 4070 will either be 100 to 150 bucks cheaper that's all. The latter being the best case scenario in my opinion, though Nvidia can prove me wrong. After all, it is using the same AD104 like the Ti version. So there is little incentive for Nvidia to sell more AD104 at a much lower price if the yield is good.

 

[Ar558]

I'm seeing lots of rumours on Youtube that it's $749.... The greed of nVidia has no limit..

 

[KyaraM]

I'm seeing lots of rumours on Youtube that it's $749.... The greed of nVidia has no limit..

Because some morons online assume a price without any proof or basis? LOL.

 

[Eximo]

699 MSRP means partner cards that are more than basic are likely to be $750, just like the majority of 4070Ti are not $799. Looks to be about $850 for mid-tier and $900 for cards with all the bells and whistles.