News RTX 4090 Can Run 'Genshin Impact' at 13K Resolution

[-Fran-]

That game is the last game I'd expect to hear about on this site. That Vega64 have seen much more exciting things than my Vega 56.

This poor Vega64 is now traumatized, as it was also in VR duty when I started. It soaked up all the initial weirdness of VRChat and the copycats, so it's seen a lot of weird and bad things 🤣

As for the resolution conversation, this is my hierarchy:

1. Refresh
2. Panel Type
3. Diagonal Size (24", 27", etc)
4. Colour Accuracy / HDR
5. Resolution
6. Maker
7. Optionals (extra USB ports, VESA mount, colours, RGB, etc)

1 and 2 are close, but as always the devil is in the details (hello viewing angles and ghosting!).

Regards.

 

[Neilbob]

What I've learned here today is anytime someone uses the line "The human eye can only. . ." - that means they have no idea what they're talking about.

If that's true, he may as well start learning Braille. No one can deny the difference in this particular case, except for people with truly bad vision or those who can never admit they are wrong.

Awesome. That looks like a jab at me there

I said nothing about being unable to tell the difference between 1080p and 2160p, and neither did tommo for that matter. Of course you can tell, especially at the close range PC users sit. What I did say is that anything higher than 4K cannot be easily discerned by most people on anything but especially large screens There's only so large the vast majority of people can realistically go, and if you have to crane your neck to see what's on display then you're too close.

On a typical screen in a typical environment, higher than 4k is effectively pointless. The limitations of human vision, how the brain interprets information and the range from which we view screens applies - especially as we age. Medically and scientifically we can see rather a lot more than the equivalent of '4K' (humans don't see things in pixels so that's a silly comparison), but not in any kind of realistic scenario when it comes to the pixels on a screen.

Implying otherwise generally involves resorting to that confirmation bias I mentioned.

 

[spongiemaster]

There are several videos on Youtube where they test 1080p vs 4k screens at close viewing distances, and people had a really hard time telling the difference.

This idea that you can easily tell the difference is simply baloney imo. I think most people can not tell the difference from normal viewing distances.

You're posting comparisons that have little relevance to screens used for a PC monitor. If you can't tell the difference between a windows desktop at 1080p or 4k, both with 100% scaling, then you are legally blind as everything on the 1080p screen is 4 times larger. You can't just make the blanket statement that you can't easily tell the difference. You need to state the specific conditions of the test and the content that is being viewed. If you're looking at a static blank white screen, then you are correct, no one is going to be able to tell the difference between 4k and 1080p regardless of screen size or viewing distance.

I currently use a 65" 4k TV for my PC monitor with 100% windows scaling. My chair is a bit under 4 feet from the screen which is the recommended viewing distance for a 65" 4k screen according to Sony. At that distance, I can easily tell the difference between 1080p and 4k, regardless of content (productivity, gaming, movies). No one is going to sit 4 feet away from a 65" TV in their living room. So for people watching movies in their living room, 8 to 10 feet away from the screen, they may well not be able to tell the difference between 1080p and 4k. However, no one sits that far away from a computer screen, so the viewing conditions are totally different.

 

[PlaneInTheSky]

I currently use a 65" 4k TV for my PC monitor with 100% windows scaling. My chair is a bit under 4 feet from the screen which is the recommended viewing distance for a 65" 4k screen according to Sony.

That's way too close.

At that distance, I can easily tell the difference between 1080p and 4k

Of course you can, you're sitting way too close to your screen.

However, no one sits that far away from a computer screen.

Some people sit too close to computer screens too.

 

[-Fran-]

Don't forget DPI affects both viewing distance and angles (FOV). That's also why I like curved monitors (and my Sammy G8) as I have them close to mah face.

Regards.

 

[spongiemaster]

That's way too close.

It isn't. As I said. That's the recommended viewing distance.

https://www.sony-mea.com/en/electronics/support/articles/00008601

For 4K models
Recommended distance for viewing 4K TV is 1.5 times of the TV vertical screen size. Viewed from this distance, individual pixels cannot be differentiated by naked eyes. This means that pixels effectively disappear when viewing 4K images. This creates the impression of watching TV pictures with the same detail and resolution as real life.

TV Size	Viewing Distance Range (Approx.)
43 inch	90 cm / 2.95 feet
49 inch	1 meter / 3.28 feet
55 inch	1 meter / 3.28 feet
65 inch	1.2 meters / 3.94 feet
75 inch	1.4 meters / 4.60 feet
85 inch	1.6 meters / 5.25 feet

 

[PlaneInTheSky]

It isn't. As I said. That's the recommended viewing distance.

Yeah well, according to Sony.

1 meter in front of a 65 inch screen is ridiculously close.

Anyway, good luck on your myopia in a few years, I doubt you'll be able to distinguish 480p from 1080p.

 

[spongiemaster]

Yeah well, according to Sony.

1 meter in front of a 65 inch screen is ridiculously close.

Anyway, good luck on your myopia in a few years, I doubt you'll be able to distinguish 480p from 1080p.

But you know better than Sony and basically every viewing distance calculator on the web, so we should listen to you instead, correct? Are you an ophthalmologist ?

 

[Deleted member 1353997]

But you know better than Sony and basically every viewing distance calculator on the web, so we should listen to you instead, correct? Are you an ophthalmologist ?

Of course they know better. Today I learned that due to my extreme myopia I've never been able to distinguish between 480p and 1080p since I've been legally blind without glasses for over 2 decades ever since my childhood. Those times where I thought I could see aliasing in my games at 4k on my 28 inch 4k screen while sitting 1 meter away from it (with glasses, obviously)? Must've been my imagination. Either that, or I'm not human, or I don't have human eyes. Just my luck...

 

[jkflipflop98]

Wait wait wait wait. . . turns out I had a big glob of confirmation bias on my glasses that was making everything look sharper than it should. Now that I've cleaned off my glasses I can't tell the difference between 720p and 4K anymore. Turns out my human eye can only see SD resolutions at my typical viewing distance 🙁 .

 

[TJ Hooker]

But you know better than Sony and basically every viewing distance calculator on the web, so we should listen to you instead, correct? Are you an ophthalmologist ?

Sony is the only place I see recommending 1.5x vertical display size, and it seems their recommendation is specifically based on 'how far should I sit to take advantage of a given size/resolution', which is why their viewing distance recommendations vary based on display resolution.

THX recommends a viewing distance of 1.2x diagonal size, as does Samsung. This corresponds to a ~40 degree field of view.

VIEWING GUIDE - THX

How to Measure & Find the Perfect TV Size | Samsung UK

Wondering what to look for when buying a TV? Read more to learn how to measure a TV screen and how to choose the perfect TV size for your space.

www.samsung.com

Most online recommendations/calculators use the above, or go for a 30 defree FoV (sometimes referred to as the SMPTE viewing distance), which is about 1.6x diagonal size. Or something close to either of those.

At the end of the day the optimal viewing distance to screen size is probably just whatever is looks good/feels comfortable to the viewer.

But if I had to guess, I'd say that sitting <4 ft from a 65" screen (or equivalent size/viewing distance) is far from the norm.