Rumor Has It Vega Mines Ether Like A Beast, But It Could Be Fud

[phillipnolan]

fritz nelson might be a nice guy, but i am so sick of seeing him. TURN OFF THE FLIPPIN' AUTOPLAY VIDEO.

 

[kinggremlin]

Come on tech journalists, dig into this stuff! What's going on here? Is the tech being deliberately held back? Is it legal? (baring in mind btw that such a change means the original stated performance claims must be misleading)

Nobody needs to dig into it, Nvidia were crippling the cards.

Yes because it makes perfect sense to purposely hold back a GPU when competition is nipping at one's heels.

It's long been known that both companies crippled OpenGL performance of the drivers for their non-workstation GPUs.

AMD's decision to offer their professional GPU driver for their Vega FE cards was the game-changer, here. That allowed a $1000 AMD card to compete with Nvidia's $5000 Quadro P6000. So, that forced Nvidia's hand in unlocking the OpenGL performance of their Titan Xp driver.

The winner is anyone needing to run these professional applications. They can now use a GPU costing 1/4th or 1/5th of what they previously had to pay, and they now still have a choice of AMD vs. Nvidia.

Yea, sure. If you ignore that Vega FE and the P6000 are intended for different markets. Prosumer card does not equal true pro card. Despite what AMD marketing will tell you, the engineers know this, which is why there is going to be a WX 9100. If AMD actually intended the Vega FE to go head to head with Nvidia's P6000, they wouldn't have priced it at $1000. That would have been the dumbest thing AMD has done, and that's saying something with all the idiotic things the RTG part of the company has done in recent years.

 

[popatim]

That Vega mining Youtube is fake. Look at the cover; its all wrong and you can see the rear of the GPU thru the hole where the fan is supposed to be. LMAO

 

[popatim]

That Vega Mining Youtube is a FAKE.

Look at the cover, its all wrong and you can even see the back of the GPU thru the whole where the fan is supposed to be! LOL!

I swear these people think we're idiots or something.

 

[bit_user]

AMD's decision to offer their professional GPU driver for their Vega FE cards was the game-changer, here. That allowed a $1000 AMD card to compete with Nvidia's $5000 Quadro P6000. So, that forced Nvidia's hand in unlocking the OpenGL performance of their Titan Xp driver.

The winner is anyone needing to run these professional applications. They can now use a GPU costing 1/4th or 1/5th of what they previously had to pay, and they now still have a choice of AMD vs. Nvidia.

Yea, sure. If you ignore that Vega FE and the P6000 are intended for different markets. Prosumer card does not equal true pro card.

What has long distinguished pro cards are things like: memory size, driver optimizations, level of support, ECC memory, warranty, and often slightly smaller form factors and lower power requirements at the expense of clock speeds.

Vega FE and now Titan Xp (to a lesser extent) offer two of those benefits, without the tradeoff of lower clock speeds (and astronomical prices). So, this move definitely hurts the value proposition of the pro cards.

I think AMD saw an easy opportunity for a win, and didn't have to worry too much about completely cannibalizing their entire high-end, since the have the somewhat unique SSG products that will always carry a premium price tag.

The other factor probably pushing AMD and Nvidia to undermine their own market segmentation is the continued refinement of the Linux opensource drivers. Many professional applications are supported on Linux, and the opensource drivers are generally starting to offer more competitive OpenGL performance with the proprietary drivers.

I consider this a positive development, since it pushes real innovation, like SSG and NVLink.

 

[falchard]

Higher demand from Crypto-Currency Miners probably won't be a big boon for AMD. AMD sells the chip. The PCB partners sell a board to retailers. The retailers mark them up. For AMDs position, they build the chips the PCB partners order. Considering the flux of Crypto-currency miners, they probably won't order many more than normal. In the end the real profiteer is the 3rd party seller who marks up the price.
It has to make a good argument outside of this market to warrant higher orders from PCB partners.
The problem with Vega for mining right now is the un-optimized drivers. When you start to see custom drivers on Linux based rigs, then it's a mining card. In this type of configuration it will probably double the hashrate of the RX 570/580

 

[Steven_203]

First you're talking about cryptomining, then you are talking about how good the memory bandwidth is on hbm2

Unfortunatly,

the two are completely unrelated...

 

[George_92]

here we go again .......

 

[Ray Gonzalez]

https://www.ethereum-hardware.com/buy-ethereum-mining-amd-gpu-hardware-gear/
They always have it cheaper.

 

[bit_user]

https://www.ethereum-hardware.com/buy-ethereum-mining-amd-gpu-hardware-gear/
They always have it cheaper.

By "they", you mean the miners? Or ebay? Because that's just a page full of links to ebay searches.

Anyone can buy those cards they linked and use them for either mining or gaming.

 

[Ray Gonzalez]

https://www.ethereum-hardware.com/buy-ethereum-mining-amd-gpu-hardware-gear/
They always have it cheaper.

By "they", you mean the miners? Or ebay? Because that's just a page full of links to ebay searches.

Anyone can buy those cards they linked and use them for either mining or gaming.

True but the custom search is done by the websites AIRG cloud platform to give you the cheapest prices.

 

[Ray Gonzalez]

Just like with gpu-cards.com