[SOLVED] Ryzen 5 2400g on 350w and single-channel memory

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Hello... I found a good deal on a Ryzen 2400g and a Prime B350-plus for just £179 so I rushed out and grabbed both of them. But here is the thing, the current power supply is a Corsair 350VS which I heard sucks quite a bit. Is the Ryzen 5 paired with a GTX 950 going to be fine? I honestly don't know why the company who built my system put such an awful power supply in, really shows you that pre-built systems are often a bad deal and I honestly wouldn't expect low quality products from Corsair either but oh well it is what it is I suppose.

I do plan on getting a new power supply in the very near future but for now I'm stuck with this one... the Ryzen 5 is a 65W CPU according to AMD. And the GTX 950 (The card itself has a MINI label on it, not exactly sure what that means) is a 90W GPU so both of them equal 150W give or take but then there are also my other components such as the motherboard, hard drives (I have two of them plus an SSD) so all that probably rounds to just about 300W unless I am either underestimating or I am ignoring other factors I am not aware of

I only have single-channel memory, I am aware that it is highly recommened to have fast, dual-channel memory for Ryzen to draw out its maximum potential but I am not really sure if the company who originally built my system cheaped out on memory as well, it's a HyperX module, here is more information:
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Hope that module is not bad for Ryzen so I can get another one to make myself a dual-channel in the future to match the Ryzen 5

Thank you!
 
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That PSU is both poor quality AND underpowered for the system you have including a GTX 950. That card calls for a recommendation of 380w, minimum, with 450w being a much better and safer capacity so long as it is also a quality unit.

Here are the standard recommendations for whole system capacity based on graphics card model.

http://www.realhardtechx.com/index_archivos/Page362.htm


And when it comes to choosing a PSU model, I'd recommend that you read and use this information in making a PSU purchase decision. Click the spoiler for that.

Let's start with the biggest misconception out there, which is that if a unit has high watts it will be ok or is good. Well, that couldn't be further from the truth.

There are plenty of...
That PSU is both poor quality AND underpowered for the system you have including a GTX 950. That card calls for a recommendation of 380w, minimum, with 450w being a much better and safer capacity so long as it is also a quality unit.

Here are the standard recommendations for whole system capacity based on graphics card model.

http://www.realhardtechx.com/index_archivos/Page362.htm


And when it comes to choosing a PSU model, I'd recommend that you read and use this information in making a PSU purchase decision. Click the spoiler for that.

Let's start with the biggest misconception out there, which is that if a unit has high watts it will be ok or is good. Well, that couldn't be further from the truth.

There are plenty of 750-1000w units out there that I wouldn't trust to power a light bulb and might in fact be more dangerous due to their supposedly high capacity due to poor or non-existent protections inside the unit.

If the platform isn't good to begin with, how many watts or amps it says it can support is irrelevant.

Higher 80plus certification doesn't mean anything, UNLESS it is a PSU platform that we already know is good anyhow. For example, a Seasonic Prime platinum unit is going to be a better product than a Seasonic Prime Gold unit, because we already know the Prime platform is very good, and platinum efficiency along with it shows there are some improvements internally to account for the higher efficiency.

In a case like that, it might be worth it. It's likely the unit will create less heat, it will probably have better performance in regard to ripple, noise and voltage regulation. It might shave a few pennies, or dollars, off the electric bill over the course of a year.

Other than that, it is not going to perform any better than the same platform with Gold efficiency. On the other hand, just because a unit has Titanium 80plus ratings doesn't mean the unit is any good at all. For example, there are Raidmax units with Titanium efficiency and I wouldn't trust one of those to power a light bulb. There are a lot of units like this out there.

If the platform isn't good to begin with, whether or not it has an 80plus certification or not is irrelevant.

Whatever you do, don't EVER buy a power supply based on whether it has RGB or lighting, or looks like it might be a quality unit. Some of the biggest hunks of junk out there look just as good as a Seasonic Prime Ultra Titanium, but I assure you, they are not. So far there are very few very good units out there that have RGB built in. Maybe one or two models, but rest assured you'll be be paying for the lighting, not for the quality of the power supply.

I don't know what country you reside in, and I know that sometimes it's hard to come by good units in some regions, but when possible, when it comes time to get that PSU, I'd stick to the following if you can.

Seasonic. Seasonic isn't just a brand, they are a PSU manufacturer, unlike many of the PSU brands you see they make their own power supply platforms AND a great many of the very good PSU models out there from other brands like Antec, Corsair and older XFX are made by Seasonic.

Just about anything made by Seasonic is good quality for the most part. There are really no bad Seasonic units and only a very few that are even somewhat mediocre. They do make a few less-good quality OEM style units, but mostly those are not going to be units you come across at most vendors, and they are still not bad. Also, the S12II and M12II 520 and 620w units are older, group regulated models. At one time they were among the best units you could buy. Now, they are outdated and not as good as almost any other Seasonic models. They are however still better than a LOT of newer designs by other manufacturers.

The Seasonic 520w and 620w S12II/M12II units CAN be used on newer Intel platforms, if you turn off C6/C7 in the bios, but I'd really recommend a newer platform whenever possible. Prices are usually pretty good on those though, so sometimes it's worth accepting the lack of DC-DC on the internal platform. Higher capacity versions of the High current gamer are not based on that platform, so they are fine. Those being the 750w and higher versions.

Most common currently, in order of preference, would be the Seasonic Focus series, then Focus plus, then Prime, then Prime ultra. It's worth mentioning that there are generally Gold, Platinum and Titanium versions within each, or most, of those series, but that does not necessarily mean that a Focus plus Platinum is necessarily better than a Prime Gold. It only means that it scored better in the 80plus efficiency testing, not that the platform is better.

Again, don't let yourself get tangled up in the idea that a higher 80plus rating specifically means that it is a better unit than another one with a lower rating, unless you know that it is a good platform from the start. All these Focus and Prime units are pretty good so you can somewhat focus on the 80plus rating when deciding which of them to choose.

Super Flower. Super Flower is another PSU manufacturer. They are like Seasonic and they make power supplies for a variety of other companies, like EVGA. Super Flower units are usually pretty good. I'd stick to the Leadex, Leadex II and Golden Green models.They also make most of the good units sold by EVGA like the G2, G3, P2 and T2 models.

Super Flower doesn't have a very broad availability for the units with their own brand name on them, and are not available in a lot of countries but for those where there is availability you want to look at the Leadex and Leadex II models. The Golden green platform is fairly decent too but is getting rather long in the tooth as a platform AND I've seen some reviews indicating a few shortcomings on units based on this platform.

Even so, it's a great deal better than a lot of other platforms out there so you could certainly do worse than a Golden green model. Units based on the Leadex and Leadex II platforms are much better though.

Corsair. The CX and CXm units are ok as a budget option, but I do not recommend pairing them with gaming cards. The newer 2017 models of CX and CXm are better than the older ones, but still not what we'd call terrific, so if it specifically says 2017 model, or it has a capacity other than an even 100, like 550w, 650w, 750w, etc., then it's likely at least better than those older ones. Aside from that, any of the TX, RMx, RMi, HX, HXi, AX or AXi units are good. Those are listed from best to worst, with the best being the AX and AXi units.

Antec. The True power classic units are made by Seasonic, and are very good, but are not modular. The High current gamer 520w and 620w, or any other PSU you see on the market that is 520w or 620w, are also made by Seasonic, based on the S12II and M12II platform for modern versions, and are pretty good units but again they are an older platform that is group regulated so if you go with a Haswell or newer Intel configuration you will want to avoid those because they do not support the C6/C7 Intel low power states.

The Antec High current gamer 750w and 850w units are very good and are not the older design, which came in 520w and 620w capacities and were good for back then but again, are an aging Seasonic platform that is not the best choice most of the time these days. Occasionally, these older units MIGHT be the best unit available and you could do worse than one of them, but a newer DC-DC platform is desirable when possible if it doesn't mean sacrificing quality elsewhere in the platform. There are however older and newer HCG models, so exact model number will likely be a factor if choosing one of these however both the older models and the newer models are good.

Antec Edge units are ok too, but reviews indicate that they have noisy fan profiles. I'd only choose this model if it is on sale or the aesthetics match up with your color scheme or design. Still a good power supply but maybe a little aggressive on the fan profile. This may have been cured on newer Edge models so reading professional tear down reviews is still the best idea.

Antec Earthwatts Gold units are very good also.

BeQuiet. BeQuiet does have a few decent models, BUT, you must be VERY selective about which of their models you put your trust in. From model to model their are huge differences in both quality and performance, even with the same series. If you cannot find a review for a BeQuiet unit on HardOCP, JonnyGuru or Tom's hardware that SPECIFICALLY says it is a very good unit, and does not have any significant issues in the "cons" category, I would avoid it. In fact, I'd probably avoid it anyhow unless there is a very great sale on one that has good reviews, because their units are generally more expensive than MUCH better units from Antec, Seasonic, EVGA and Corsair.

EVGA. They have BOTH good and not very good models.

Not very good are the W1, N1, B1, B3 (All models except the 650w model), BQ, BR, BT and G1 NEX models.

Good models are the B2, B3 650w, G2, G2L, G3, GQ, P2 and T2 models.

FSP. They used to be very mediocre, and are a PSU manufacturer like Seasonic and Super Flower, although not as well trusted based on historical performance. Currently the FSP Hydro G and Hydro X units are pretty good.

I would avoid Thermaltake and Cooler Master.

They do have a few good units, but most of the models they sell are either poor or mediocre, and the ones they have that ARE good are usually way overpriced.

This is just ONE example of why I say that. Very new and modern CM unit. One of the worst scores ever seen on JonnyGuru for a well known brand name product. Doesn't look to be much better than a Raidmax unit. Sad.

Cooler Master Masterwatt Lite 600W review

And most of the models I have linked to the reviews of at the following link are at least good, with most of them being fantastic.

Power supply discussion thread

Certainly there ARE some good units out there that you won't see above among those I've listed, but they are few and far between, much as a hidden nugget of gold you find in a crevice among otherwise ordinary rocks and don't EVER assume a unit is good just because of the brand.

If you cannot find an IN DEPTH, REPUTABLE review on Tom's hardware, JonnyGuru, HardOCP, Hardware secrets (Old reviews by Gabe Torres), Kitguru (Only Aris reviews), TechPowerUP, SilentPC crew or a similar site that does much more than simply a review of the unboxing and basic tests that don't include reliable results for ripple, noise, voltage regulation and a complete teardown of the unit including identification of the internal platform, then the unit is a big fat question mark.

I recommend not trusting such units as companies generally always send out review samples of any unit they feel is going to get a good review, and don't send them out if they know they are going to get hammered by the reviewer. No review usually equals poor quality. Usually.


Other models that should never be trusted OR USED AT ALL, under any circumstances, include

A-Top, AK Power, Alpine, Apevia, Apex (Supercase/Allied), Artic, Ace, Aerocool (There might be one model worth using, but I'd still avoid them.), Aspire (Turbocase), Atadc, Atrix, Broadway com corp, Chieftech, Circle, CIT, Coolmax, Deer, Diablotek, Dynapower, Dynex, Eagletech, Enlight, Eurotech, Evo labs, EZ cool, Feedtek, Foxconn, G7, HEC/Compucase Orion, HEDY, High power, iBall, iStar computer co., Jeantec, JPac, Just PC, Kolink, LC Power, Linkworld electronics, Logisys, Macron, MSI, NmediaPC, Norwood Micro (CompUSA), Okia, Powercool, Powmax, Pulsepower, Q-tec, Raidmax, Rave, Rocketfish, Segotep, SFC, Sharkoon, Shuttle, Skyhawk, Spire, Startech, Storm, Sumvision, Tesla, Trust, Ultra, Wintech, Winpower, Xilence (Until I see a reputable review of a model showing different), xTreme (Cyberpower), Youngbear and Zebronics.
 
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So... after careful consideration of suggestions around here, I figured the EVGA W1 500W seems like a good value option. I read online that it isn't one of the best units but it isn't bad either. I tried looking for XFX PSUs as I keep hearing the best of words about these things but for some reason they are nowhere to be seen in eBay, I found a couple on amazon but they were £90 which is very odd considering I got a XFX TS around 3 years ago for about £35 so idk if there are import issues in the UK or whatever. I do still have it but I placed it in my brother's build and it's actually still running really well so bummer I couldn't find it for that same price

I actually do have a 450W PSU already, it's one that came with another pre-built I got back in 2014 but the problem is, it's from some company called 'Powertech' and is very generic, I was running with it for two years on my daily system with zero issues but I suppose it's not a good idea to use that despite the fact

As far as I see it the EVGA seems like the best option in both price and quality right now. There seems to be some kind of surge in PSU prices around here for some reason, PSUs are much higher in price compared to two years ago plus certain brands like XFX has disappeared from the UK
 

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I'd choose to go with one of these LONG before I'd ever go with that BT unit from EVGA.

PCPartPicker Part List

Power Supply: Corsair - CX (2017) 450 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($39.88 @ OutletPC)
Total: $39.88
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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There's nothing wrong with the EVGA 450BT, this website and AnandTech gave it good reviews. Whether it's a new CX450 or a EVGA 450BT OP should be all set.
 
450 BT review, TH, Aris

Cons
  • Outdated platform
  • Bad 3.3V transient response
  • Noisy
  • Lower than 17ms hold-up time
  • Cables with thinner than recommended wires
  • Overrated MOV in the transient filter

CX 450w review (2018) model, TH, Aris

Cons

  • Single PCIe connector limits expansion
  • Not as quiet as the CWT-made CX450
  • Short distance between peripheral connectors
Yes, I'll take the CX450 (2018) over the BT any day of the week, like I said. The EVGA W1 series units are not good either. They should not be paired with gaming cards of any flavor or size. We see problems here with people who DO, ALL the time. Repeatedly.

Plus, they didn't review well at ALL either. Unfortunately, all of the JonnyGuru reviews from 2014 which is when they reviewed that unit, have disappeared after their forum redesign. Suffice to say, there are better options and if you've ordered that unit I'd cancel the order. Even the BT mentioned above is better than that.
 
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So to conclude... the CX450 is my best and chepeast option? I'd actually love to get an XFX even if it meant paying a little more but considering their vanishment from the UK it seems impossible, not in a reasonable original price anyway. The ONLY website i've seen so far selling XFX is this one which I've never even heard of them and besides, why is it that they are literally the ONLY ones in the entirety of UK selling XFX at a reasonable price? If you go to the UK version of google and type 'xfx' in the 'shopping' tab, you see very few XFX PSUs and they are all around £80 except the one i've linked which is at an even cheaper price than the CX450. Very strange, anyone care to comment on that because I sure can't come up with an explanation... i'd love to know why XFX isn't around in the UK anymore

Otherwise... the CX450 seems like the only reasonable option as the 450BT is actually slightly more expensive and is worse apparently.
 
XFX has pretty much vanished, .....everywhere. Not sure why, but they have pretty well disappeared from the PSU scene. The only reason they were any good to begin with was because they had Seasonic building all their power supplies using Seasonic platforms. The minute they changed that up and went with a lower quality OEM for their PSUs, they became irrelevant overnight due to having really poor quality and performance.

If you want a GOOD power supply, then get a Seasonic Focus, Focus Plus, Prime, Prime Ultra, or some flavor of Corsair TX, HX or RM (Or AX if you really want a top notch unit), or Antec High current gamer or an EVGA G2, G3, GQ, P2 or T2 unit.

If you want a budget unit, then go with a Corsair CX or CXm (Modular) 2017 or 2018 model. They are not nearly as good as any of these others, but they are far better than anything in their price range.
 

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Well alright. I ended up buying the CX550 and not the CX450 because that didn't have enough SATA power connectors and buying MOLEX adapters would pretty much raise the total price to that of the CX550 so might as well just get that and get myself some extra wattage in case I want to upgrade something else in the future

I am gonna admit that I was VERY on the edge of buying the EVGA W1 but then I saw this video and was like screw it i've spent £180 on upgrades thus far might as well buy something that won't turn them into fireworks much like that computer in the video (I mean that was spectacular! but definitely don't want to see it happen on mine lol)
 
Yes, the CX550, while not a HIGH end PSU, is certainly MUCH better than that W1 unit. Don't get me wrong, EVGA has some of the VERY best power supplies in the industry, made for them by Super Flower, but not ALL of their product lines fit that classification. Pretty much only the older B2 series, and the G2, G3, GQ, P2, T2 and most likely the upcoming P3 units are what you'd call excellent. The W1 and N1 units are not very good. The B1, G1, BT and BQ units are ok-ish, but I'd avoid them for quality builds.

The newer CX550 units are much better than the older ones. The CX and CXm units USED to be pretty terrible, but in 2015 they got a bit better and in 2017 they got moderately better. Right now they are probably the best budget option available aside from the Seasonic S12-II and S12-II and M12-II units, IF you have a system that does not require Haswell compatibility since they are group regulated on all models under 650w.
 

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