Question Ryzen 5 3600 Stock Cooler

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Anyone who has used the Ryzen 5 3600 with the stock cooler, what is the highest clock I can go to while still running at a comfortable temperature under load? Currently I'm running at 3.9 GHz, so is there anything higher I can run without it running at like 75 degrees?
 
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If you want to run at anything beyond the stock configuration, including using PBO, I'd recommend a better cooler. For stock operations that cooler is fine but if you want to run PBO or overclock, get something better unless you don't mind sitting on the edge of the safe thermal zone and dealing with a loud constant cooler fan.
 
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A Ryzen 3600 should be able to boost up around the 4.1-4.2 GHz range at stock settings, so manually forcing it to 3.9 GHz would actually be an underclock. You are probably better off just leaving the processor at stock clocks and letting it handle boosting on its own. Have you monitored what kind of boost clocks it achieves at stock while doing things like gaming? The boost algorithms of Ryzen 3000 processors don't tend to leave much additional room on the table for manual overclocking.

An aftermarket cooler might result in cooler and quieter operation, but I wouldn't expect any perceptible change in performance out of it.
 
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I use the ryzen 5 3600x and the stock cooler was really bad. Hitting 80+ degrees stock. Uppgraded to corsair h100i rgb platinum. Uppgrade your cooler if you want to overclock.
 
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I have this cpu and used that cooler, its pretty good, much better than the old crap they used to give away back a few years ago, intel and amd were very guilty of this, but this is quite good for a freebie.

I had mine running with some MX thermal past at 4.2 in ryzen master and was hitting 71 degrees after about an hour, but with ryzen the clocks go down the hotter it gets and the voltage it seems. I got a corsair h100 instead, i did try air cooling with a noctua nu9b but didnt see much difference in temps than the wraith cooler.

Go with some kinda AIO cooler or a big fat noctua
 
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cryoburner said:
A Ryzen 3600 should be able to boost up around the 4.1-4.2 GHz range at stock settings, so manually forcing it to 3.9 GHz would actually be an underclock. You are probably better off just leaving the processor at stock clocks and letting it handle boosting on its own. Have you monitored what kind of boost clocks it achieves at stock while doing things like gaming? The boost algorithms of Ryzen 3000 processors don't tend to leave much additional room on the table for manual overclocking.

An aftermarket cooler might result in cooler and quieter operation, but I wouldn't expect any perceptible change in performance out of it.
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Those are not full time all core boost speeds though. Those are more like variable individual core boost speeds.

The CPU has an advertised boost clock of 4200MHz, which will apply for workloads that don’t fully load all cores at 100%. There’s minimal fluctuation in this frequency plot and it does not appear that any boost duration limits come into play.

For a better view of this,, we’ll plot each core clock individually and with a Y-axis constrained to just 4050-4200MHz. The point of this is to magnify the data. As observed here, pre-testing starts with cores bouncing off of the 4200MHz limited-core turbo while still in idle. Once the work begins, the cores take turns bursting up to 4125MHz and falling back to 4100MHz, with rare dips down to 4080MHz. We’ll keep drawing other cores as we go. There doesn’t seem to be a preference for which core boosts up to 4125MHz. A pattern emerges where cores 0 and 1 pass the ball back and forth, as do cores 4 and 5. Cores 2 and 3 appear to do similar. At the end of the day, they take turns boosting.
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So under that scenario, yes, it's probably fine. But if you are going to put a full time all core OC of 300+ mhz over the base clock speed, and sustain that, then I'd like to see a significantly better sink or AIO solution in place. I won't argue that it can work, because it can, but you will be hedging your bets very closely and likely to saturate the thermal ceiling far beyond what rotating boosts would ever do. Consider, CPU temps drop on the order of 30-40°C in milliseconds when a core is not under load, so those rotating boost assignments that are more like burst behaviors don't tend to saturate the package like an all core boost does, which I'm sure you know, but are not factoring in. Or maybe you are, IDK.

For me, I don't want to see the package pushed that far on stock cooling. Not even pretty good stock cooling.
 
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Thanks everyone for the feedback. I've been getting pretty good framerates at 3.9, and if there could be issues of getting a bit warmer then I think I'll stick with 3.9. Since my case is a bit older and doesn't have enough room for me to add liquid cooling, if anything I might look at getting a third-party air cooler.
 
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Yes, an aftermarket air cooler is a good idea for many people, on many platforms and for a variety of reasons. Generally, if you get a decent one, you'll have moderately lower temps, but also you'll generally have a much QUIETER system, as a cooler with a 140mm fan is going to do the same job or better at a much lower RPM than one with a 92mm fan and smaller heatsink.

The only way those stock Ryzen coolers manage to keep thermals in check is by brute force, with very high RPM fans. And while they are MUCH better than stock coolers of the past, they are still made with cheap Cooler master fans that, to be blunt, suck.

IF you were to move to an aftermarket cooler, what do you think you could manage to budget for one?

What country are you in?
 
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With the Ryzen 1600, AMD gave you a 95w tdp cooler(Wraith Spire). But when they switched to the 2600, AMD cheapened out with a 65w tdp cooler (Wraith Stealth). I think the same is true for the 3600. A 65w tdp cooler is not meant for any kind of overclocking on a 65w tdp cpu. You need a beefier cooler to overclock.

For right now, I would just leave it on stock clocks, with the motherboard's own automatic overclock settings turned on. For lower threaded applications, you'll probably get faster clocks/fps than your current 3.9ghz all core overclock.

Actually, I found a chart of bundled coolers. You have the wraith stealth:
https://www.amd.com/en/technologies/cpu-cooler-solution
 
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gggplaya said:
With the Ryzen 1600, AMD gave you a 95w tdp cooler(Wraith Spire). But when they switched to the 2600, AMD cheapened out with a 65w tdp cooler (Wraith Stealth). I think the same is true for the 3600. A 65w tdp cooler is not meant for any kind of overclocking on a 65w tdp cpu. You need a beefier cooler to overclock.
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Also, while the 3600X still includes the Spire, AMD cheaped out a bit there too this generation, removing the copper vapor chamber from the cooler in favor of a higher speed fan. The heat sink is still about twice as tall as the Stealth though.

gggplaya said:
For right now, I would just leave it on stock clocks, with the motherboard's own automatic overclock settings turned on. For lower threaded applications, you'll probably get faster clocks/fps than your current 3.9ghz all core overclock.
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Yeah, that's what I was saying. Run the CPU at stock, and it will likely manage slightly better performance in most games and applications compared to a 3.9GHz manual "overclock". Stock boost performance should typically be in the 4GHz+ range. You can monitor boost clocks while gaming using something like MSI Afterburner's on-screen display. It doesn't really make much sense to invest a lot into overclocking Ryzen 3000 processors, as you will generally only manage a few percent better CPU performance compared to stock, and will hardly notice any perceptible difference in gaming performance. Wanting to make the CPU run cooler and quieter is a reasonable reason to get an aftermarket cooler though.
 
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Yeah, that will support pretty much just about anything you want to install.

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU Cooler: Thermalright MACHO Rev.C 84.97 CFM CPU Cooler ($54.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $54.99
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-01-06 01:40 EST-0500


Review (Rev.C is same as Rev.B except with better memory clearance and compatibility plus a slightly faster top fan speed).

Considering the fact that it kept company with $90 air coolers, and much more expensive AIO coolers, the value of the Macho Rev.B just keeps going up and up.
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https://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/6930/thermalright-macho-rev-cpu-cooler-review/index7.html
 
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hello, I don't want to create the new thread, so I would like to ask here for your opinion

wraith max for 20 € is a good deal for r5 3600? or better is some aftermarket solution with similar price?
 
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namsary said:
hello, I don't want to create the new thread, so I would like to ask here for your opinion

wraith max for 20 € is a good deal for r5 3600? or better is some aftermarket solution with similar price?
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Wraith max will allow for a little overclock. It's still not as good as an aftermarket cooler and will probably be a bit louder when you really push the overclock.

For 28pounds you can get the Hyper Evo 212, which I think will be slightly better. But if you have a tempered glass case and want to showcase the cpu a little. The Wraith max would be fine if you just want to make sure your CPU stays at the top of it's boost and don't plan to overclock hard.
 
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gggplaya said:
Wraith max will allow for a little overclock. It's still not as good as an aftermarket cooler and will probably be a bit louder when you really push the overclock.

For 28pounds you can get the Hyper Evo 212, which I think will be slightly better. But if you have a tempered glass case and want to showcase the cpu a little. The Wraith max would be fine if you just want to make sure your CPU stays at the top of it's boost and don't plan to overclock hard.
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thank you.... I have a transparent side cover on my case, so ideally some RGB is welcomed.... I am buying a new RAM, MOBO and they are RGB too, so that is the reason.. I never had it, so I don't know, if I am not ending with RGB turned off anyway, or it will light with one color and that's it...

top of the boost sounds great... I know, that 3600 as all ryzens are with small potential for overclocking... but If you could me advice some better, RGB cooler (air preferred), it will be much appreciated...

Darkbreeze said:
What ACTUAL country are you in?
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slovakia... why?
 
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Because what is available in one country is probably not the same as what is available in another. Knowing what country you are in at least allows us to narrow down the options that are either available to you or to know what country is closest to you with hardware that might be similar to what is available in your country, so to speak.
 
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