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[Energy96]

The 9800X3D and the 14900k are currently the best performing gaming CPUs from AMD and Intel respectively, so yes, it's totally relevant to compare them. Intel users were not complaining when their favorite brand was constantly beating AMD, they never had enough comparison benchmarks. Now that the table has turned, they are all like "ok ok we saw it, please can you stop rubbing it in our face". Hilarious.

This is spot on.
I’ll never understand why people blindly follow brands and make excuses for poorly run billion dollar companies. I call it as I see it, good or bad.

I have historically mostly ran Intel but the 9900k was my last one. It’s been gradually down hill on the top end since then. I just built a 9950x3d system and the cpu is a monster. Intel has nothing even remotely competitive in the high end space currently.

I do hope they turn it around because competition is what drives innovation and keeps pricing from going into the stratosphere. It isn’t looking good over there at team blue though, their problems are deep and systemic. I’m not sure this new CEO is going to actually right the ship, I’m not really convinced at this point he even wants to.

 

[John Nemesh]

Newer gaming focused CPU beats older non-gaming focused CPU in gaming.

In 2025 does anyone really need to be reminded that X3D chips perform better in gaming than any non-X3D chip?

Do YOU need to be reminded that Intel has nothing to compete with X3D? Apparently so. What chip would you prefer comparison to, EXACTLY?

 

[John Nemesh]

Not guaranteed. Also that'll run hot if 7 Ghz is really true. 9800X3D's run hot unless you toss on an undervolt

7Ghz won't be an issue...they are jumping 3 nodes! I don't know what's wrong with some people...can you just not accept that AMD has taken the lead over Intel? I would add that your OPINION on the matter is irrelevant. AMD's Zen6 CPUs will sell or not depending on how well they actually perform and the price being charged. Your OPINION won't change anything.

 

[Energy96]

You don't have to be a "fangirl" to understand that it's no longer a "race" between AMD and Intel. Intel lost. Get over it.

It pains me to say it but they didn’t just lose. Losing happens all the time in competition. You work harder and regain your place. What pains me is Intel didn’t just lose, they essentially surrendered. I’ve yet to see a solid plan or roadmap, even a vague one to regain the lead. The new CEO seems to be just trying to stop the hemorrhaging but it’s going to take a lot more than that to save the patient. It’s going to take real innovation and investment, not just throwing more power or smaller processes to the same outdated designs.

It can be saved, think Apple before the iPhone, they were a dying company and now they are one of the wealthiest. It can be turned around but it needs the right people with the right ideas.

 

[JayGau]

It pains me to say it but they didn’t just lose. Losing happens all the time in competition. You work harder and regain your place. What pains me is Intel didn’t just lose, they essentially surrendered. I’ve yet to see a solid plan or roadmap, even a vague one to regain the lead. The new CEO seems to be just trying to stop the hemorrhaging but it’s going to take a lot more than that to save the patient. It’s going to take real innovation and investment, not just throwing more power or smaller processes to the same outdated designs.

It can be saved, think Apple before the iPhone, they were a dying company and now they are one of the wealthiest. It can be turned around but it needs the right people with the right ideas.

I agree with that. I have been using AMD CPUs since 2016 but I want Intel to stay competitive so we keep getting good chips. I don't understand why some people want "the other company" to get crushed.

Competition is what motivates them to improve their products. Wishing the end of competition is absurd. But it's pretty much where we are heading to right now unless Intel does something to bounce back instead of the current damage control strategy.

 

[John Nemesh]

It pains me to say it but they didn’t just lose. Losing happens all the time in competition. You work harder and regain your place. What pains me is Intel didn’t just lose, they essentially surrendered. I’ve yet to see a solid plan or roadmap, even a vague one to regain the lead. The new CEO seems to be just trying to stop the hemorrhaging but it’s going to take a lot more than that to save the patient. It’s going to take real innovation and investment, not just throwing more power or smaller processes to the same outdated designs.

It can be saved, think Apple before the iPhone, they were a dying company and now they are one of the wealthiest. It can be turned around but it needs the right people with the right ideas.

The problem is that 1) they can't make a foundry node that competes with TSMC and 2) it takes YEARS of development to come up with a new architecture.

Even IF they could turn on a dime and magically come up with an architecture to compete, they would still have to rely on others to make it for them.

This isn't some minor glitch, this is the end result of YEARS of chasing the wrong technologies. And I disagree with you...I DO NOT think they can be "saved". That would imply that there is a plan in place to regain the performance crown, and they haven't even begun. Everyone is hyped about "Nova Lake", but when that utterly fails to compete with Zen6, the writing on the wall should be clear enough for even the most diehard Intel fans to read.

 

[Energy96]

The problem is that 1) they can't make a foundry node that competes with TSMC and 2) it takes YEARS of development to come up with a new architecture.

Even IF they could turn on a dime and magically come up with an architecture to compete, they would still have to rely on others to make it for them.

This isn't some minor glitch, this is the end result of YEARS of chasing the wrong technologies. And I disagree with you...I DO NOT think they can be "saved". That would imply that there is a plan in place to regain the performance crown, and they haven't even begun. Everyone is hyped about "Nova Lake", but when that utterly fails to compete with Zen6, the writing on the wall should be clear enough for even the most diehard Intel fans to read.

I don’t think they will be saved any time soon. I agree it will take years, maybe a decade or more. They have the resources to make it happen though. They need to have a plan and make the right decisions though. Currently I don’t see that but I’m sure the public isn’t privy to all of their plans, especially in the R&D area. Huge billion dollar companies are hard to kill.

 

[John Nemesh]

I don’t think they will be saved any time soon. I agree it will take years, maybe a decade or more. They have the resources to make it happen though. They need to have a plan and make the right decisions though. Currently I don’t see that but I’m sure the public isn’t privy to all of their plans, especially in the R&D area. Huge billion dollar companies are hard to kill.

Hard to kill, yeah...but not hard to reduce to irrelevance. IBM is still around, after all...but they are a shadow of their former self. Hewlett Packard is also struggling, compared to their glory days when they owned the entire printer market. Things change, and the larger a corporation becomes, the harder it is for them to adapt to market and technology changes.

Also, how many absolutely HUGE brands are now completely gone? Compaq. Silicon Graphics, Sun, NeXt, DEC, Wang...the landscape is literally littered with the "dead" that were "too big to fail" at one point in their history.

We will see how Intel's woes play out, but don't be surprised if they don't have anyone left to give them another chance later. They burned a LOT of goodwill with how they have handled their defective chips, and STILL refuse to acknowledge that there is a design defect that would entitle their customers to a full refund! That kind of stunt won't be forgotten by customers who have been burned.

 

[thesyndrome]

There's no point in comparing AMD 9000 series or 7000 series X3D to Intel anything when it comes to gaming at 1920x1080, they're always going to come out on top in the benchmarks.

I'd argue there is a point with the 7800X3D, because the 19-14900k was released 6 months AFTER the 7800X3D and was meant to be the competing product (despite launching for $150 more).

You are acting like Intel have never cared about gaming and that any gaming performance they had was purely a byproduct of having great productivity performance, but Intel have gaming divisions, sponsor games and tournaments, and always put out game benchmarks for new CPUs that they launch, so it's clearly something they do take into consideration and want to compete on, but they seem to have been unable to do so for a number of years.