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AMD's flubbing the numbers a bit, but I believe AMD's latency numbers. Even when you factor in AMD's usage of their highest-end part versus Intel's u7-class part, and the much higher power envelope that Strix Point operates at, they're probably still ahead by a bit.
 
TheHerald said:
10% better performance for 40% more power, bravo I guess.
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Intel fans g’even get salty when the useless AI crap is worse than AMD’s worthless AI crap? I guess it’s been a tough few years huh? I know you didn’t mention power draw when you were claiming Raptor Lake was great. Besides, are t you just using the TDP while having no idea how much either chip is using in this scenario? I’m assuming you skipped the part of the story where they used GPU acceleration and Intel performed so poorly AMD was afraid to publish the results. Unfortunately, bottom line with NPUs is 99% of users would get better overall value if the silicon was spent on a wider memory bus instead of an NPU, even in AI tasks.
 
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Of course I was.
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So you’re going to sit here with a straight face and pretend that Intel isn’t getting slapped around in consumer CPU performance? They just dropped 10% performance from workloads with lots of random memory accesses like gaming when they weren’t competitive in the first place. Arrow Lake literally only performs well on workloads it’s been optimized for. If it’s not something Intel expects to see in benchmarks, it’ll perform worse than Raptor Lake.
 
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So you’re going to sit here with a straight face and pretend that Intel isn’t getting slapped around in consumer CPU performance? They just dropped 10% performance from workloads with lots of random memory accesses like gaming when they weren’t competitive in the first place. Arrow Lake literally only performs well on workloads it’s been optimized for. If it’s not something Intel expects to see in benchmarks, it’ll perform worse than Raptor Lake.
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Getting slapped around? It beats the competition by a wide margin in the majority of workloads in the majority of segments. See it's posts like yours that make me seem like an Intel fan, just because I have to state the obvious.

Especially when you focus on MT performance intel is light years ahead. You do realize that even the latest r7 can't decisively beat in MT intels 2021 i7, right? God forbid we compare it against a 13,14 or 15700k. It will be a massacre.
 
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So you’re going to sit here with a straight face and pretend that Intel isn’t getting slapped around in consumer CPU performance?
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I mean they still exist as a company and CCG is doing fine so they're kinda doing alright. AMD is outselling them in DIY, but that's about 3% of the TAM for CCG.
 
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Getting slapped around? It beats the competition by a wide margin in the majority of workloads in the majority of segments. See it's posts like yours that make me seem like an Intel fan, just because I have to state the obvious.

Especially when you focus on MT performance intel is light years ahead. You do realize that even the latest r7 can't decisively beat in MT intels 2021 i7, right? God forbid we compare it against a 13,14 or 15700k. It will be a massacre.
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You're talking about cinebench here. look at something slightly more reasonable and it's a more mixed bag (though generally yes an 8+8 i7 will probably beat a straight 8 core in nT performance (incredible to think, isn't it?))
 
User of Computers said:
You're talking about cinebench here. look at something slightly more reasonable and it's a more mixed bag (though generally yes an 8+8 i7 will probably beat a straight 8 core in nT performance (incredible to think, isn't it?))
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The 12700k isn't an 8+8, but regardless, guy said amd has a huge performance advantage when in reality their latest and greatest are still punching it out with 3 year old Intel parts.
 
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I mean they still exist as a company and CCG is doing fine so they're kinda doing alright. AMD is outselling them in DIY, but that's about 3% of the TAM for CCG.
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I didn’t say anything about sales numbers. There’s no point in comparing raw numbers when one company is profitable and one had more losses than revenue in Q3. I said they’re getting slapped around in performance. Now they’ve even lost the single core crown. At least on the newer models the e cores seem to scale as well in other apps that are more latency sensitive as well they do in Cinebench. On workloads with lots of data movement, RPL and ADL could literally gain multithreaded performance by turning e cores off. At least Arrow Lake fixed that.
 
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The 12700k isn't an 8+8, but regardless, guy said amd has a huge performance advantage when in reality their latest and greatest are still punching it out with 3 year old Intel parts.
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Yet Intel’s latest and greatest can’t even get in that boxing ring….Not to mention the fact that RPL will be 2 years old this month rather than 3, and it lost to Zen4.
 
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Yeap, I know, can tell from your post history.
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See you are clearly confusing making fun of bad products with ill will. Yeah I’ve been all over Intel lately after my 13600k died and they refused a warranty claim because the “secret” hadn’t come out yet. They deserve it. That being said, I absolutely don’t want the company to go under or even continue laying people off. When I hear “Intel lays off 15k”, I instantly think of 15k people having to try and find new jobs to support their family. People’s lives are vastly more important than my dead CPU.
 
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I'm 100% convinced that's a true story. 100%.
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I’ll post a picture of my 13600k box with a time stamp if you want. Just because you lie on the internet doesn’t mean everyone else is lying. Undoubtedly , in a weak attempt to save face, I’m sure you’ll ask me to show proof they denied my claim, but I’m not posting sensitive stuff on the internet just to prove you wrong. I will however tell you a simple Google search will find quite a few people complaining about dead Raptor Lake chips and refused warranty claims before the “secret” came out. In fact, if you were smart enough to connect the profiles, an April or May reddit post from me is one of the first things that would come up in said search.
 
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I’ll post a picture of my 13600k box with a time stamp if you want. Just because you lie on the internet doesn’t mean everyone else is lying. Undoubtedly , in a weak attempt to save face, I’m sure you’ll ask me to show proof they denied my claim, but I’m not posting sensitive stuff on the internet just to prove you wrong. I will however tell you a simple Google search will find quite a few people complaining about dead Raptor Lake chips and refused warranty claims before the “secret” came out. In fact, if you were smart enough to connect the profiles, an April or May reddit post from me is one of the first things that would come up in said search.
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As I've said, im 100% convinced that's a true story man. Intel is well known to be rejecting RMAs. 🤣

Send me your 13600k (ill pay the sending costs) and I'll get you your RMA.
 
TheHerald said:
As I've said, im 100% convinced that's a true story man. Intel is well known to be rejecting RMAs. 🤣

Send me your 13600k (I’ll pay the sending costs) and I'll get you your RMA
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See, now you’re just trying to put words in my mouth to imply that I’m lying. I said they refused an RMA BEFORE their big secret came out. I’ve gotten my RMA since then. I ended up with a 14600k that seemingly uses more power in exchange for not gaining any performance. Regardless, I assure you that Intel was refusing RMAs before their hand got forced and reputable sites like Tom’s all had stories mentioning it. If you really want my 14600k though, $180 will get it basically new in the box(it’s been POST’d once just to make sure it works). I’ve got no intentions of using it unless my girlfriend’s daughter decides she wants to replace her 3700x but that’s unlikely because she’s into whatever her friends think is “cool”. That ain’t Intel, currently.
 
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See, now you’re just trying to put words in my mouth to imply that I’m lying. I said they refused an RMA BEFORE their big secret came out. I’ve gotten my RMA since then. I ended up with a 14600k that seemingly uses more power in exchange for not gaining any performance. Regardless, I assure you that Intel was refusing RMAs before their hand got forced and reputable sites like Tom’s all had stories mentioning it. If you really want my 14600k though, $180 will get it basically new in the box(it’s been POST’d once just to make sure it works). I’ve got no intentions of using it unless my girlfriend’s daughter decides she wants to replace her 3700x but that’s unlikely because she’s into whatever her friends think is “cool”. That ain’t Intel, currently.
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You can't reason with unreasonable person, so forget it man.

Back to the topic, the AI stuffs are as silly as it gets, especially for the lower power consumer grade things... going back to consumer products it's definitely a hard time for Intel in all front, bad management and decision back in the years piled up for a big mess, and TBF, when comparing stuffs for the latest and greatest, efficiency only matters when they have similar performance but vastly different power draw, so from reviews we all got the picture of what to buy this gen
 
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See, now you’re just trying to put words in my mouth to imply that I’m lying. I said they refused an RMA BEFORE their big secret came out. I’ve gotten my RMA since then. I ended up with a 14600k that seemingly uses more power in exchange for not gaining any performance. Regardless, I assure you that Intel was refusing RMAs before their hand got forced and reputable sites like Tom’s all had stories mentioning it. If you really want my 14600k though, $180 will get it basically new in the box(it’s been POST’d once just to make sure it works). I’ve got no intentions of using it unless my girlfriend’s daughter decides she wants to replace her 3700x but that’s unlikely because she’s into whatever her friends think is “cool”. That ain’t Intel, currently.
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Sure bud, they were well known to reject RMAs before. I know, had my own experiences.
 
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You can't reason with unreasonable person, so forget it man.
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Definitely, and when you think the guy lying is the reasonable one you are too far gone as well.

Guy literally said - on August 2nd - that he has an overclocked 13600k. Working fine. No mention of rejected rmas or anything of that sort. But somehow now it became a dead 13600k and Intel refused to RMA it before the news came to the surface.

But I'm the unreasonable one. Sure.
 
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