News Sam Altman said startups with only $10 million were 'totally hopeless' competing with OpenAI, DeepSeek's disruption says otherwise

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Gates, Jobs, Wozniak...even Zuckerberg. I am missing something about Altman that lumps him with these fellas?
Who lumps Wozniak in with Jobs, Gates and Zuckerberg?
Wozniak is a skilled engineer who believe in computing freedom. The others are/were not, and do/did not.

Altman is a tech-bro and sociopath who wishes he was Zuckerberg.

The commercial closed company called "OpenAI" has an edge over its competition in that it scraped the web before the web was poisoned by AI content and people who had intellectual property on the web found out for what purpose it was being scraped.
I'd think that a small startup could very well compete with "OpenAI", if it produced something that was actually useful and the company had a manager who knew what he was doing.
 
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In my opinion, Sam Altman is a major reason why DeepSeek was able to make major strides so quickly. We only learned of the 2023 servers hack of OpenAI by a group associated with a certain foreign country’s interests a year and a half after it happened…and Altman decided not to tell the public, the FBI, or any other entity about it for over a year…Also, if you look at the OpenAI help forums, there have been numerous threads created over the past year about people’s accounts being hacked and the sudden appearance of multiple entire conversations in Chinese language within their account…I don’t know, maybe I’m being paranoid, but something doesn’t seem right about DeepSeek…
 
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In my opinion, Sam Altman is a major reason why DeepSeek was able to make major strides so quickly
It's a copycat model after all, trained on chatGPT output. It will sometimes identify itself as chatGPT which exposes where its responses come from. That's no surprise all the Chinese ever did was steal, cheat and copy. Never in history has a Chinese invented anything or built anything original.
 
It's a copycat model after all, trained on chatGPT output. It will sometimes identify itself as chatGPT which exposes where its responses come from. That's no surprise all the Chinese ever did was steal, cheat and copy. Never in history has a Chinese invented anything or built anything original.
Is that why western developers couldn't replicate what developers of Deepseek is doing?
 
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It's a copycat model after all, trained on chatGPT output. It will sometimes identify itself as chatGPT which exposes where its responses come from. That's no surprise all the Chinese ever did was steal, cheat and copy. Never in history has a Chinese invented anything or built anything original.
I don’t call responses d…. But this is it. China and Asia as a whole is the birth place of nearly all man’s transformative inventions until about 2 centuries ago … they just became stale as society not that it was one society during the 1th 17th century … I’m skeptical on their claims because well geo-political implications … but necessity is the mother of invention. but this idea that China or Asia is some sort of backwards world is wrong it’s 5000 year old contiguous culture … when you pick up a book or a gun … what are your thoughts.? If they did what they said is impressive imho doesn’t solve the problem as to where this game is going and future techz.
 
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It's a copycat model after all, trained on chatGPT output. It will sometimes identify itself as chatGPT which exposes where its responses come from. That's no surprise all the Chinese ever did was steal, cheat and copy. Never in history has a Chinese invented anything or built anything original.
Perhaps you mean the CCP?

I thought the original Chinese invented gunpowder?
 
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In my opinion, Sam Altman is a major reason why DeepSeek was able to make major strides so quickly. We only learned of the 2023 servers hack of OpenAI by a group associated with a certain foreign country’s interests a year and a half after it happened…and Altman decided not to tell the public, the FBI, or any other entity about it for over a year…Also, if you look at the OpenAI help forums, there have been numerous threads created over the past year about people’s accounts being hacked and the sudden appearance of multiple entire conversations in Chinese language within their account…I don’t know, maybe I’m being paranoid, but something doesn’t seem right about DeepSeek…
So are you saying that Deepseek are a bunch of hackers who 'stole' OpenAI (which is not open btw) information from them? Do you have any proof?

As far as public information from Deepseek, they created a team of Chinese PHD students and researchers and not 'hackers.' Also, they supposingly used existing open source of LLM Model and made modifications to it.
 
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It's a copycat model after all, trained on chatGPT output. It will sometimes identify itself as chatGPT which exposes where its responses come from. That's no surprise all the Chinese ever did was steal, cheat and copy. Never in history has a Chinese invented anything or built anything original.
I am just going to jump on this also and laugh. The West remains sheltered from much of world culture, as evident.
 
So are you saying that Deepseek are a bunch of hackers who 'stole' OpenAI (which is not open btw) information from them? Do you have any proof?

As far as public information from Deepseek, they created a team of Chinese PHD students and researchers and not 'hackers.' Also, they supposingly used existing open source of LLM Model and made modifications to it.
Here you go, all major outlets reported this story, but since we are on the TH forum, I think a TH article would be sufficient.

https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-i...-year-old-breach-wasnt-reported-to-the-public
 
Here you go, all major outlets reported this story, but since we are on the TH forum, I think a TH article would be sufficient.

https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-i...-year-old-breach-wasnt-reported-to-the-public
I will say it again, what does this 'hack' has to do with Deepseek?

Let me guess at your logic here. "The Chinese" hacked Open AI and "The Chinese" developed Deepseek, therefore "The Chinese' used hacked information to develop Deepseek. Sounds like a logic that a 5 year old would say.
 
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It's a copycat model after all, trained on chatGPT output. It will sometimes identify itself as chatGPT which exposes where its responses come from. That's no surprise all the Chinese ever did was steal, cheat and copy. Never in history has a Chinese invented anything or built anything original.

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I will say it again, what does this 'hack' has to do with Deepseek?
On the surface…nothing…but using logic, there is a reasonable level of confidence that state hackers were the culprits in the OpenAI hack. What motivation does a government have to commit espionage for a company?
3 things: first every single company in that country is part owned by the government and the government requires all IP, products, etc. be dual use so it can be militarized,
second the government takes their image on the main-stage above all else (to the point where they will stage events and create fake AI products just to fool tech writers at conferences. This kind of behavior is found in almost every market segment in that country but the most infamous is their “Tofu-Dreg” construction materials and techniques that look great for 2-3 years and then literally disintegrate at an alarming rate after milking it for all the positive image coverage they can get) and they have been touting their country is the leader in “AI 5G expertise” with nothing to demonstrate that “perceived” leadership until just now, thus stealing, reverse-engineering, and then revealing a competitor to the U.S.’s pride and joy out of no where has their governments fingerprints all over it.
Three, to make it seem (IE maintaining their image) that their country is unstoppable and unaffected by the West’s sanctions even though in reality it is being negatively affected by it (remember how the Huawei Mate-60 came out and they touted the Kirin-9000S was on a homegrown 5nm process but turned out to be stockpiled TSMC manufacture Kirin-9000 rebadged. Interestingly enough, the Mate-60 was the last 5G capable phone to come out by Huawei because SMIC process isn’t efficient or fast enough to handle 5G requirements).

You have to remember that China and the Soviet Union have remarkably similar Foreign Affairs practices. Above all else, project a perfect picture of the country and its way of govern-ship while hiding the true condition and disarray of the country within, and second, steal or copy anything found abroad that the country would benefit from to help protect and project the country’s image. China has stolen and copied F-35 Lightning and F-22 Raptor stealth fighter designs, AH-64 Apache Attack helicopter, and Blackhawk helicopter designs, 2 U.S. military cargo craft designs, and copied the m-4 carbine rifle design for their new service rifle just to name a few off the top of my head.

Articles about Military Specific Tech Stolen:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-64206950
https://www.foxnews.com/world/china...le-j-20-knockoff-americas-f-22-raptor-experts

Articles about US Tech Sector IP Stolen:
https://interestingengineering.com/culture/us-tech-giants-on-alert-after-china-trade-secret-sting
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c86w2evj05do
 
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I will say it again, what does this 'hack' has to do with Deepseek?

Let me guess at your logic here. "The Chinese" hacked Open AI and "The Chinese" developed Deepseek, therefore "The Chinese' used hacked information to develop Deepseek. Sounds like a logic that a 5 year old would say.
All you have to do is look at history for you to know that everything China does is to prop up the country, whether that be outward image, economic, or military. China is literally following the Soviet handbook as SOP as far as soft-power projection. So yes stealing OpenAI secrets to help their part-state owned enterprise beat their adversary despite the roadblocks put in place + scoring a win in casting doubt on the competence of American government entities, and demonstrating the “weak and ineffective” sanctions that “America imposed on us because they are afraid of our might!”, blah, blah, blah…
It sounds like you need to open your eyes and see how the CCPCC is just the CCCP 2.0
 
Perhaps you mean the CCP?

I thought the original Chinese invented gunpowder?
Most of man’s inventions historically have come out of the Asian continent simply because the vast majority of the world’s population has always been on the Asian continent. Civilization is a function of population. This is a very westernized thought process that civilization somehow just started a few centuries ago. The western world has only been in the drivers seat since maybe a century before the Industrial Revolution …
 
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