Question Same old micro stutters with Ryzen 9800X3D ?

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Well after trying multiple things from what I saw online and nothing worked I gave up so here I am. Trying to fix micro stutters.

Context: Brand new pc build, less than 3 weeks old.

Parts
Mobo: Asus X870E Crosshair Hero
CPU: Ryzen 9800X3D
GPU: RTX 3080
RAM: 6400Mhz GDDR5 32GB x 2 (currently used at 6000 mhz)
2TB M.2 gen 5 SSD in slot m2_1 (OS)
2TB M.2 gen 4 SSD in slot m2_4 (iirc, slot that doesnt reduce lanes)

I did have OCs in place.

List of things I have done
  • Gamebar off/on
  • Game Optimizer or whatever is called on/off
  • I used MSI AB and I disabled all monitoring
  • Riva Tuner not installed
  • Put game in high priority
  • Updated chipset drivers
  • Checked that the 3dv services was on
  • Nvida overlay is off
  • Windows 11 is 23h2 not the 24h2
  • Tried bios on default settings
  • C-State Enabled and also tried disabled
  • SMT tried auto and disabeld
  • Ended all background tasks of apps that may have been conflicting (includes RGB software)
  • I can game at 6400 mhz and at 6200 with my ram but currently using 6000 to see if it would help with the stutters
  • Power Plan things as well
  • Updated BIOS to latest non beta version
  • Vsync off in game but on outside game (Nvida control panel)
  • Tried a park cores app and that is 100% placebo or at least it didn't work for me.

Only 2 games that I have been playing
80% Escape From Tarkov which I haven't experienced any stuttering maybe because I dont run it at 300 fps.

20% Rainbow Six Siege, here I notice the stutters heavily. These stutters occur every 10-13 secs sometimes its a 0.5 secs stutter and others its like low low 1% fps dips.

Last thing I would need to do is clean OS install, but like only 3 weeks in and I have to do this?


Edit: The selected answer drastically improve my stuttering, will keep testing ram settings.
 
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SyCoREAPER
xZGxFire said:
The only thing I have done is underclocl at lows and mids -10 or -15 in shape curve and highs at +10. At +200, 1=1 mclk
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First, have you run a stress test and benchmark? See if it's stable under full load as well as compared your scores to others online to see if you're in range and narrow it down?

Stop messing with the bios except exactly where needed/you know what you're setting.

CPU, set a -10 CO, thats it. Once stable you can try going lower in increments. Many, including myself can hit the pretty much limit of -25 if you have a good bin.

DCOP and EXPO are useless. My experience has been they don't 'just work' like XMP does with Intel. Turn on the Asus's idiot memory tool, see what timing values it spits out and set those...
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6400 mhz GDDR5 32x2 (currently used at 6000 mhz)
Got a link to the ram kit?

Windows 11 is 23h2 not the 24h2
That might be the issue, partially.
Last thing I would need to do is clean os install, but like 3 weeks in and I have to do this?
You should recreate your bootable USB installer, then install the OS in offline mode;
View: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/_GuFH9KdHC0

then install all relevant drivers with the latest versions in an elevated command, i.e, Right click installer>Run as Administrator.

Updated BIOS to latest non beta version
For the sake of relevance, please state the BIOS version you're on for your motherboard.

You forgot mention the make and model of the PSU.

Context: Brand new pc build, less than 3 weeks old.
Even the RTX3080?
 
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Lutfij said:
6400 mhz GDDR5 32x2 (currently used at 6000 mhz)
Got a link to the ram kit?

Windows 11 is 23h2 not the 24h2
That might be the issue, partially.
Last thing I would need to do is clean os install, but like 3 weeks in and I have to do this?
You should recreate your bootable USB installer, then install the OS in offline mode;
View: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/_GuFH9KdHC0

then install all relevant drivers with the latest versions in an elevated command, i.e, Right click installer>Run as Administrator.

Updated BIOS to latest non beta version
For the sake of relevance, please state the BIOS version you're on for your motherboard.

You forgot mention the make and model of the PSU.

Context: Brand new pc build, less than 3 weeks old.
Even the RTX3080?
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Sorry for missing some info, it was late for me.

Bios current latest version:
Version 1003

Beta, not currently installed:
1103

PSU: EVGA Gold rated 1200w

Ram kits:
Check this out on @Newegg:G.SKILL Trident Z5 RGB Series 64GB (2 x 32GB) 288-Pin PC RAM DDR5 6400 (PC5 51200) Desktop Memory Model F5-6400J3239G32GX2-TZ5RW
https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-64gb-ddr5-6400/p/N82E16820374511?tpk=1&item=N82E16820374511


So they aren't expo but I can use OCDP or however its called.

The only thing that is re-used is the rtx 3080 which I was just using in my previous build.

The reason for using 23h2 is because I have seen bad bugs and issues with 24h2 from my friends.
 
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das_stig said:
Have you tried customising your Precision Boost in the bios or using PBO2 as a task in Windows, my 5800X3D had similar and I tweaked the settings to keep the all cores boosted for longer, at the cost of a couple of degrees extra heat. I would look at YT guides.
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The only thing I have done is underclocl at lows and mids -10 or -15 in shape curve and highs at +10. At +200, 1=1 mclk
 
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Used latencymon, nothing out of the usual.
Updated to latest BIOS, that beta version I mentioned above.
Made game bar thing remember the game.
I set some minimim cpu treshholds to 100%

Nothing... still see/feel the stutters.

Will perform clean os install to 24h2. Wont download anything except updates. Latest drivers and R6 game to test.
 
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xZGxFire said:
The only thing I have done is underclocl at lows and mids -10 or -15 in shape curve and highs at +10. At +200, 1=1 mclk
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First, have you run a stress test and benchmark? See if it's stable under full load as well as compared your scores to others online to see if you're in range and narrow it down?

Stop messing with the bios except exactly where needed/you know what you're setting.

CPU, set a -10 CO, thats it. Once stable you can try going lower in increments. Many, including myself can hit the pretty much limit of -25 if you have a good bin.

DCOP and EXPO are useless. My experience has been they don't 'just work' like XMP does with Intel. Turn on the Asus's idiot memory tool, see what timing values it spits out and set those manually, thats the only way I got my RAM stable, let alone boot.

A few other things to set are; svm, data scramble, tsme, psm, smee - all off.

Try the default 2000 FCLK but also try one step slower at most and also try going up. See below.

Keep memory training on for next few days. After you know it's stable turn it off (two spots on Asus, just do a search in bios). Computer will take longer to boot but won't need to reset cmos if anything goes wrong.

QyInvoLing said:
What's your FCLK? keep it to 2000.
Reset your curve shaper to default. Use hydra to check if your undervolting is stable.
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That is generally what's recommended but that's not a hard rule. I see this stated all the time and based on further research, while mathematically that is the correct infinity fabric for an even ratio, some CPUs don't like it. Mine for example is one of them. 2133 is where mine will boot and is stable. 2000 won't even post. The only thing you really sacrifice is some latency but latency is already in my opinion (apparently normal) high when running an average setup configured with ideal settings. Not sure if that's an AMD or DDR5 thing.
 
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SyCoREAPER said:
First, have you run a stress test and benchmark? See if it's stable under full load as well as compared your scores to others online to see if you're in range and narrow it down?

Stop messing with the bios except exactly where needed/you know what you're setting.

CPU, set a -10 CO, thats it. Once stable you can try going lower in increments. Many, including myself can hit the pretty much limit of -25 if you have a good bin.

DCOP and EXPO are useless. My experience has been they don't 'just work' like XMP does with Intel. Turn on the Asus's idiot memory tool, see what timing values it spits out and set those manually, thats the only way I got my RAM stable, let alone boot.

A few other things to set are; svm, data scramble, tsme, psm, smee - all off.

Try the default 2000 FCLK but also try one step slower at most and also try going up. See below.

Keep memory training on for next few days. After you know it's stable turn it off (two spots on Asus, just do a search in bios). Computer will take longer to boot but won't need to reset cmos if anything goes wrong.



That is generally what's recommended but that's not a hard rule. I see this stated all the time and based on further research, while mathematically that is the correct infinity fabric for an even ratio, some CPUs don't like it. Mine for example is one of them. 2133 is where mine will boot and is stable. 2000 won't even post. The only thing you really sacrifice is some latency but latency is already in my opinion (apparently normal) high when running an average setup configured with ideal settings. Not sure if that's an AMD or DDR5 thing.
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Will check this, but I already tested with bios at default.
 
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SyCoREAPER said:
First, have you run a stress test and benchmark? See if it's stable under full load as well as compared your scores to others online to see if you're in range and narrow it down?

Stop messing with the bios except exactly where needed/you know what you're setting.

CPU, set a -10 CO, thats it. Once stable you can try going lower in increments. Many, including myself can hit the pretty much limit of -25 if you have a good bin.

DCOP and EXPO are useless. My experience has been they don't 'just work' like XMP does with Intel. Turn on the Asus's idiot memory tool, see what timing values it spits out and set those manually, thats the only way I got my RAM stable, let alone boot.

A few other things to set are; svm, data scramble, tsme, psm, smee - all off.

Try the default 2000 FCLK but also try one step slower at most and also try going up. See below.

Keep memory training on for next few days. After you know it's stable turn it off (two spots on Asus, just do a search in bios). Computer will take longer to boot but won't need to reset cmos if anything goes wrong.



That is generally what's recommended but that's not a hard rule. I see this stated all the time and based on further research, while mathematically that is the correct infinity fabric for an even ratio, some CPUs don't like it. Mine for example is one of them. 2133 is where mine will boot and is stable. 2000 won't even post. The only thing you really sacrifice is some latency but latency is already in my opinion (apparently normal) high when running an average setup configured with ideal settings. Not sure if that's an AMD or DDR5 thing.
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FCLk is at 2000 and my pc posts and I no crashes. Just some jitter/stutter
 
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Please for the love of god if you want people to help you;

1) Don't post one after another, especially the same response. Edit your post and wait for some to reply.

2) Don't tag the person multiple times in a row.

3) You didn't try anything I suggested and just said you tested at default.

Seeing as I wasted my time suggesting on how to rule out various things, I'm done here. Good luck.
 
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Just an off the cuff question with suggestion. Do you have ANY monitoring software running that monitors GPU Voltage or power. There is a known issue on some AMD systems where monitoring GPU power causes micro stutter. Typically this is from Afterburner (I see you don't have Rivatuner installed so clearly not that). But others like HWiNFO can cause it as well if running in the background. If, on the off chance you do have something running, disable GPU Voltage monitoring on it and see if it helps. If you don't have anything running then ignore, I just thought I'd toss in the suggestion as I previously had the issue.

(Edit; AND to AMD, because Apple thinks I can't spell, but it's Apple that can't.)
 
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SyCoREAPER said:
Please for the love of god if you want people to help you;

1) Don't post one after another, especially the same response. Edit your post and wait for some to reply.

2) Don't tag the person multiple times in a row.

3) You didn't try anything I suggested and just said you tested at default.

Seeing as I wasted my time suggesting on how to rule out various things, I'm done here. Good luck.
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Didn't know the tagging worked like that when replying, I apologize.

I did use the Asus software to see timings. Copied over those timings and set the ram config to manual.

Along with turning off the specific settings that you mentioned like svm, data scramble, etc..

There were improvements, the jitters still happen but they are even less noticeable. I will keep playing with ram timings. And use memory training.
 
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CelicaGT said:
Just an off the cuff question with suggestion. Do you have ANY monitoring software running that monitors GPU Voltage or power. There is a known issue on some AMD systems where monitoring GPU power causes micro stutter. Typically this is from Afterburner (I see you don't have Rivatuner installed so clearly not that). But others like HWiNFO can cause it as well if running in the background. If, on the off chance you do have something running, disable GPU Voltage monitoring on it and see if it helps. If you don't have anything running then ignore, I just thought I'd toss in the suggestion as I previously had the issue.

(Edit; AND to AMD, because Apple thinks I can't spell, but it's Apple that can't.)
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Yes saw that as well which is probably the case for a lot of people, not for me though. But I saw some improvements with what someome replied.
 
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To be clear, this new hardware configuration was used with a previous Windows installation. Is that correct?

When you updated the AMD chipset drivers, did you get them directly from AMD?

Does the stuttering improve with all OC settings removed and the CPU. GPU, and memory at default settings?
 
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