Samsung Building 64-Bit Custom CPU Core

[knowom]

Samsung can afford to cheaply integrate more memory on it's phones. Apple burnt it's bridge with Samsung and left itself stranded.

 

[house70]

@ericburnby: frogr is right. ARM designs those processors originally, not Apple. Then Samsung makes them, not Apple.

You're correct, but you're wasting your time trying to explain that to people like otacon or ericburnby. Even if the article states in it's first paragraphs that the initial CPU will be ARM design, and then it will be followed by Samsung design, they would still not believe it.

 

[ericburnby]

You're correct, but you're wasting your time trying to explain that to people like otacon or ericburnby. Even if the article states in it's first paragraphs that the initial CPU will be ARM design, and then it will be followed by Samsung design, they would still not believe it.

More like we're wasting our time trying to explain common sense to people like you who throw logic out the window when Apple does something good.

Apple licenses the ARMv8 instruction set and designs their own processor (the A7) to run it. The A7 is not just a "tweaked" version of an ARM processor. It is a brand-new design that Apple created that is far superior to ARM's own design (which Samsung makes).

You're the one who misunderstood the article. ARM sells two licenses - one to their processor designs and one to their instruction set. What Samsung is saying is their first 64bit chip will be an ARM design (meaning an A53/57). The following one will be a custom design that runs the ARMv8 instruction set.

In other words, Samsung won't be in Apple's league (designing their own processor using the ARMv8 license) for quite some time (perhaps two generations away). By then Apple will be on their A8/9 and will still be ahead of Samsung.

I know it's hard to accept a company you clearly hate now makes the worlds fastest ARM processor, but that doesn't mean it's not true. Must be hard for you to accept a basic fact as this.

BTW I suggest going to Anandtech and reading their analysis of the A7. That is, if you've got the courage to handle the truth.

 

[house70]

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So, your argument about Apple having an original design is... Apple is using ARM design? Good job there.

What superior league is that? The mere fact that they came up with a 64 bit CPU a couple months before everyone else doesn't really prove anything. Someone was bound to sit first at the table, and everyone else will sit down as well. IF they had actually invented that ARM design it would have been a different story.
Your argument about Apple being ahead one-two generations does not stand, either, simply because they have to follow ARM designs, like everyone else. Once the combustion engine was out, everyone could use it and adapt to their vehicles, just because one company made a 6 cylinder engine first doesn't mean the rest are just followers. Tech advancements don't go linearly, anyone who licenses ARM designs can (and most likely will) use the latest even if it means it skips an older generation.

And you're wrong about another thing: I don't hate Apple, they didn't do anything to me personally (except for taking my money for some POS iPods in the past, but that's water under the bridge). I just despise them, and reasons for that are millions. IF they could prove me wrong I would buy their hardware just like anyone else's (which is something a hateful person would never do). Maybe if you stop projecting your own feelings and get out and live a little you'd feel better.
bye.

 

[ericburnby]

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So, your argument about Apple having an original design is... Apple is using ARM design? Good job there.

What superior league is that? The mere fact that they came up with a 64 bit CPU a couple months before everyone else doesn't really prove anything. Someone was bound to sit first at the table, and everyone else will sit down as well. IF they had actually invented that ARM design it would have been a different story.
Your argument about Apple being ahead one-two generations does not stand, either, simply because they have to follow ARM designs, like everyone else. Once the combustion engine was out, everyone could use it and adapt to their vehicles, just because one company made a 6 cylinder engine first doesn't mean the rest are just followers. Tech advancements don't go linearly, anyone who licenses ARM designs can (and most likely will) use the latest even if it means it skips an older generation.

And you're wrong about another thing: I don't hate Apple, they didn't do anything to me personally (except for taking my money for some POS iPods in the past, but that's water under the bridge). I just despise them, and reasons for that are millions. IF they could prove me wrong I would buy their hardware just like anyone else's (which is something a hateful person would never do). Maybe if you stop projecting your own feelings and get out and live a little you'd feel better.
bye.

Funny to see an obvious troll like you continue to prove how ignorant they actually are.

Does AMD use an Intel design for their processors? No. They design custom processors that are x86 compatible. Apple's A7 is a custom processor that happens to be ARMv8 compatible. Can you even comprehend what that means? Further, Apple modified ARMv8 so that their version isn't even the same as "vanilla" ARMv8. Apple's version is binary compatible with OS X. Wait, why am I even mentioning this? You don't even understand what I'm talking about.

Further, the A7 is more advanced than any other ARM processor on the market. It's capable of running 6 instructions at the same time (4 integer, 2 FP). That's double what the current best designs from ARM or Qualcomm is currently capable of. In short, Apple made an ARM compatible processor that's faster and more efficient than the actual processors ARM makes.

Maybe you don't hate Apple. But you are clearly tech illiterate when it comes to processor designs (esp ARM related).

 

[house70]

Funny to see an obvious troll like you continue to prove how ignorant they actually are.

Does AMD use an Intel design for their processors? No. They design custom processors that are x86 compatible. Apple's A7 is a custom processor that happens to be ARMv8 compatible. Can you even comprehend what that means? Further, Apple modified ARMv8 so that their version isn't even the same as "vanilla" ARMv8. Apple's version is binary compatible with OS X. Wait, why am I even mentioning this? You don't even understand what I'm talking about.

Further, the A7 is more advanced than any other ARM processor on the market. It's capable of running 6 instructions at the same time (4 integer, 2 FP). That's double what the current best designs from ARM or Qualcomm is currently capable of. In short, Apple made an ARM compatible processor that's faster and more efficient than the actual processors ARM makes.

Maybe you don't hate Apple. But you are clearly tech illiterate when it comes to processor designs (esp ARM related).

Thanks for proving my point; Samsung is deploying the same procedure for their processors (as already stated in the article). You keep spinning around the same subject, making it sound like a good thing when deployed by Apple and a bad thing when deployed by anyone else. You called me a troll, but your arguments are very trollish themselves. If you really believe Samsung (or any other respectable company) can not design their own ARM-based units like Apple does, I have a bridge to sell you.
I do know what binary compatible means; from a practical point, it means the same small percentage of people that can be bothered to run any OSX apps could ( in theory) be bothered to have apps for iOS re-using code. It's going to matter for a SMALL percentage of users out there, and even a smaller percentage of developers (only the ones that can afford to license said code from the OSX programs).
Get it?
Besides, if you really believe you'll be able to run FULL OSX programs on that iToy, I have plenty of bridges for sale. For that one would need a lot more RAM, faster CPU, bigger battery... in one word, you'd need a Samsung-like phone to do that. LOLOL. Which reminds me I have read a few articles about Apple eyeing a curved-display phone design. Reminds you of another manufacturer (or two) with the same idea?
Too bad you are so rude and hateful, it prevents you from actually getting the point. Just because you know a thing or two doesn't make you an expert and furthermore it doesn't give you a license to insult people. If the fact that Samsung is not only designing their chips, they also manufacture them is bothering you so much, you might need professional help. I could give you some pointers for that, too. You have a pathological need to jump at the throat of whomever disagrees with you. I feel for you .
all the best from dr. House

 

[MKBL]

At least they DO build their own CPUs.

But they don't design them.

Samsung has their own FAB, builds their own memory, builds their own CPU. So Samsung is the next Intel? At least in the mobile space?

No. When Samsung starts designing their own processors then they could be like Intel.

This article almost implies Apple makes it's own A7 CPUs. Just to be clear, that's false. Samsung has made every single iPhone processor for Apple, regardless of model. Since the A5, they have all been made in Austin, Texas at Samsung's fab there.

But Apple designs them. That's the hardest part by a long shot and puts Apple way ahead of Samsung. Anyone can build a processor if they're given the "plans". The real brains are who makes the plans.

The A7 is by far the most advanced mobile processor in the world. And it gets this title because of Apple, not Samsung.

Samsung and Apple are on par when it comes to whether they make their own or not. Ignoring which one is better, both companies "design" their own SoC, Exynos for Samsung, and A-series for Apple. They are both based on ARM IP. It's not that Apple has developed A7 on its own.

 

[ericburnby]

^ Wrong and wrong. Samsung has NEVER released a custom ARM processor yet (they have plans to next year, but they haven't yet) while Apple is now on their second custom processor (A6 and now A7).

Samsung Exynos processors are simply ARM reference designs they have implemented (just like BIG.little is also an ARM design). Apple's A6/A7 are custom processors that don't exist anywhere in the world. If you crack open the die of an ARM processor, Samsung processor and Apple processor you'll see which one is different from the rest - and it's not ARM or Samsung.

I find it hard to believe so many of you can't comprehend this simple distinction.

 

[JohnPMyers]

^ Wrong and wrong. Samsung has NEVER released a custom ARM processor yet (they have plans to next year, but they haven't yet) while Apple is now on their second custom processor (A6 and now A7).

Samsung Exynos processors are simply ARM reference designs they have implemented (just like BIG.little is also an ARM design). Apple's A6/A7 are custom processors that don't exist anywhere in the world. If you crack open the die of an ARM processor, Samsung processor and Apple processor you'll see which one is different from the rest - and it's not ARM or Samsung.

I find it hard to believe so many of you can't comprehend this simple distinction.

Why do people who have no clue what they're talking about keep showing up in tech discussions only to continuously embarrass themselves?

July 16, 2001 - over 12 years ago dumbass
"Samsung has a proven track record in delivering custom ARM core-based SoC and standard SoC products"
http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Samsung+Licenses+ARM+Microprocessor+Cores%3B+Agreement+Enables+Samsung...-a076540591