[SOLVED] Samsung T5 and No Type C

[DefinitelyNotTom]

Just noticed the t5 uses the type c interface and the dumb x570 pro carbon doesn't have a front type c header.

Should I get an extender, type c to type a converter, or different mobo? If an extender, then it's still the annoyance of it being a rear port involved. And do they even make type c to type a converters? I assume so.

If I am not mistaken, the speed on the t5 is well below what type A can handle, anyway?

Sure would be nice if the almost $300 mobo had a freakin front type c header...

Also, I haven't built a pc before, but I assume how it works is for ALL usb ports it's a matter of what type of mobo header AND what type of case port is there? In other words, there's not some type of ports that work some other way than the header and case port needed?

 

[Darkbreeze]

There are VERY few cases with Type C front ports, so there are few motherboards with them as well. Does your CASE have a front USB C port on the front I/O panel?

There are definitely Type C to Type A adapters though.

https://www.amazon.com/s?k=USB+3.1+Gen+2+male+to+USB+C+adapter&ref=nb_sb_noss_2

Finding a USB Type C hub with a long enough cable to reach the rear USB C port on your motherboard might make plugging and unplugging a little easier might be a better option though. Plus, you'd be able to connect other USB Type C devices as you evolve to them, which is likely to happen as time goes on.

 

[DefinitelyNotTom]

There are VERY few cases with Type C front ports, so there are few motherboards with them as well. Does your CASE have a front USB C port on the front I/O panel?

There are definitely Type C to Type A adapters though.

https://www.amazon.com/s?k=USB+3.1+Gen+2+male+to+USB+C+adapter&ref=nb_sb_noss_2

Finding a USB Type C hub with a long enough cable to reach the rear USB C port on your motherboard might make plugging and unplugging a little easier might be a better option though. Plus, you'd be able to connect other USB Type C devices as you evolve to them, which is likely to happen as time goes on.

Actually if I stick with my order for the define c, then no. I originally ordered an r6, which had one and forgot define c doesn't.

So is the way this works that the front panel of the case has ports which you connect headers front he mobo to and then the rear ports are actually directly on the mobo, so you're connecting to the mobo in back, ie the case itself has nothing there?

this ahs been one big learning process and I haven't even started building. I keep finding out I need this adaptor and that one...

 

[DefinitelyNotTom]

just realized the next headache too. The only reason I even got the external ssd was to use it on a BR player to view files from the pc (doing it via network usually ends up with issues). Well, obviously the BR player has type A usb ports, not C. And probably usb 2, not 3, I am guessing. I assume on a pc connecting a usb 3 device to usb 2 port is fine, but I wonder if it's also fine on a BR player? And I'd have to get an adaptor for usb 3 to usb 2. Such an ordeal just to sue current tech...

edit: actually on my unopened CXZUHD player it says usb 3.0. I'm sure type A, though. And it says some drives require more power than the usb port offers, so any way I could even get around that?

edit2: nice. I found on another site where someone said he has used this same ssd on an oppo 203 (same player as cxuhd) and that the t5 comes with a usb c to usb a adaptor already.

I could go back to getting the r6 and choose some other mobo if I am desperate for a front type c... sure would be nice, but a big hassle.

 

[Darkbreeze]

Yes, the case itself has nothing, anywhere. Everything is the motherboard. Front I/O for USB and sound connect internally to the motherboard. Rear I/O for USB, video (Aside from those on the graphics card, if present on the motherboard based on what CPU is used), etc. are all part of the motherboard itself and are a direct connection to whatever bus that connection is part of.

The Define R6 is twice the case that the Define C is. I am definitely a fan of Fractal Design, although not strictly a loyalist. I have a moderately modded Define S and doubt I'll be changing cases for a long time to come. Both cases are good however. The Define R6 is just much better in terms of features and quality. It looks a lot nicer too.

What exactly do you mean by "use it on a BR player to view files from the PC"? That is not making any sense to me and I apologize if I am being dense but I am completely baffled by what you are trying to convey there.

 

[DefinitelyNotTom]

Yes, the case itself has nothing, anywhere. Everything is the motherboard. Front I/O for USB and sound connect internally to the motherboard. Rear I/O for USB, video (Aside from those on the graphics card, if present on the motherboard based on what CPU is used), etc. are all part of the motherboard itself and are a direct connection to whatever bus that connection is part of.

The Define R6 is twice the case that the Define C is. I am definitely a fan of Fractal Design, although not strictly a loyalist. I have a moderately modded Define S and doubt I'll be changing cases for a long time to come. Both cases are good however. The Define R6 is just much better in terms of features and quality. It looks a lot nicer too.

What exactly do you mean by "use it on a BR player to view files from the PC"? That is not making any sense to me and I apologize if I am being dense but I am completely baffled by what you are trying to convey there.

I mean moving video files form pc to ssd then connecting ssd to usb port on blu ray player. Like I said, I'm not worried now, though, because I saw where someone has used the same ssd on the (basically) same blu ray player and it did play 4k files properly.

yeah, I'd like the r6, but I am going to use only 1 gpu, 0 hdds, not OC, etc… so I am guessing it would be overkill getting it. Also it's much heavier than the define c. The reason I was considering it, however, is because of better thermals (but again I am not OCing) and also I really wanted an internal blu ray writer. But I already have an external one that is usb 3. So I figured I may just be better off getting the define c and no internal drive, will have a lighter case that way, and save $50 on the case plus $75-$100 on the BR writer.

 

[Darkbreeze]

Everybody has different needs, that's for sure, so I understand doing what is best for your specific requirements.

Keep in mind, on most case reviews they are only using whatever fans come with the case and cases almost NEVER come with as many case fans as what SHOULD be used with them in order to keep fan speeds low and temperatures low without having to endure the sound of a miniature jet engine all the time. I would plan to also purchase a couple of additional case fans if you didn't already or perhaps repurposing case fans you already have in a current build with this one. Good luck man.

 

[DefinitelyNotTom]

Everybody has different needs, that's for sure, so I understand doing what is best for your specific requirements.

Keep in mind, on most case reviews they are only using whatever fans come with the case and cases almost NEVER come with as many case fans as what SHOULD be used with them in order to keep fan speeds low and temperatures low without having to endure the sound of a miniature jet engine all the time. I would plan to also purchase a couple of additional case fans if you didn't already or perhaps repurposing case fans you already have in a current build with this one. Good luck man.

I am hoping to get away with the included ones since I so rarely do anything intensive (almost never game on a pc, only occasionally would video edit) and don't OC. Then if it turns out it's a mistake I'd have toa dd some in. I don't know, I'm just out so much money as it is and since I have never built before, adding in more fans is just one more step to deal with.

I'm to the point of really stumped now, though, on which way to go because it would be sop much nicer to be able to just take the t5 and connect it straight to a front type c and done. but to accomplish that I'd have to pay $50 more on the case AND figure out a different mobo to get.

And honestly I don't think there's a x570 from a brand I trust for under $300 that would have intel lan, alc 1220 audio, wifi, AND front type c. I think even the only one around $300 is the gigabyte aorus pro wifi and all those gigabyte ones have a lot of horrible reviews at the moment.

 

[Darkbreeze]

I still don't understand why you need to move files from the PC to the SSD and then connect the SSD to a BD player. Is this for burning your files to Blu ray discs?

Why wouldn't you just burn them to disk straight from the PC. I guess I just totally don't understand what you are trying to do, and I'm not 100% sure you are either, because I believe you are adding in some additional steps that are totally not necessary. I think it would help to know:

What is the Blu ray drive being used for? Burning or playing burned disks?

What is the point of the SSD being connected to the Blu ray disk player, and how do you plan to go about doing that because generally disc drives cannot be connected to each other. They need to be connected to the PC and then you can access files from the connected external SSD in order to burn them to the BD drive if that's what you are trying to do, but you can't really connect the SSD to the BD drive. They need to be connected to the PC in order for there to be an interface in between them unless I'm totally missing something and since I have about ten external drives, two external Blu ray burners, an internal Blu ray burner and a variety of external DVD burners, I really don't think I am. But I guess anything is possible.

Why are you intent on using x570? Do you plan to use NVME M.2 storage devices that are capable of PCIe 4.0 speeds? Really, PCIe 4.0 is about the only thing that x570 offers that x470 doesn't, and the x470 motherboards are perfectly capable of running any Zen2 processor provided you buy one that is already Zen2 compatible or one that has BIOS flashback so you don't need an older Ryzen processor first in order to be able to flash the BIOS to a version that supports Zen2. X470 or even B450 are more than capable enough for Zen2 as long as you don't buy a bottom of the barrel type budget board. I think maybe you ought to rethink your whole purchasing strategy because it seems like maybe you're shooting yourself in the foot when it comes to your budget by targeting hardware that isn't specifically beneficial to you.

Maybe you have good reasons for these choices and I just don't know what they are?

 

[DefinitelyNotTom]

I still don't understand why you need to move files from the PC to the SSD and then connect the SSD to a BD player. Is this for burning your files to Blu ray discs?

Why wouldn't you just burn them to disk straight from the PC. I guess I just totally don't understand what you are trying to do, and I'm not 100% sure you are either, because I believe you are adding in some additional steps that are totally not necessary. I think it would help to know:

What is the Blu ray drive being used for? Burning or playing burned disks?

What is the point of the SSD being connected to the Blu ray disk player, and how do you plan to go about doing that because generally disc drives cannot be connected to each other. They need to be connected to the PC and then you can access files from the connected external SSD in order to burn them to the BD drive if that's what you are trying to do, but you can't really connect the SSD to the BD drive. They need to be connected to the PC in order for there to be an interface in between them unless I'm totally missing something and since I have about ten external drives, two external Blu ray burners, an internal Blu ray burner and a variety of external DVD burners, I really don't think I am. But I guess anything is possible.

Why are you intent on using x570? Do you plan to use NVME M.2 storage devices that are capable of PCIe 4.0 speeds? Really, PCIe 4.0 is about the only thing that x570 offers that x470 doesn't, and the x470 motherboards are perfectly capable of running any Zen2 processor provided you buy one that is already Zen2 compatible or one that has BIOS flashback so you don't need an older Ryzen processor first in order to be able to flash the BIOS to a version that supports Zen2. X470 or even B450 are more than capable enough for Zen2 as long as you don't buy a bottom of the barrel type budget board. I think maybe you ought to rethink your whole purchasing strategy because it seems like maybe you're shooting yourself in the foot when it comes to your budget by targeting hardware that isn't specifically beneficial to you.

Maybe you have good reasons for these choices and I just don't know what they are?

I do know what I am trying to do. You haven't ever heard of people putting files on a drive and connecting it to the BR player to go watch the videos on their BR player and tv? It's where you don't have to burn a disc at all. It's for watching videos on the BR player without them being on disc. That's the reason for the usb ports on BR players.

HDDs and SSDs still work when connected to a BR player. I think they sometimes "can" have issues, but they mostly still work for playing the files.

x570 more futureproof and also I have 2 pcie 3 ssds. The only way you can have both run at 3.0x4 AND a gpu at x16 is an x570.

I originally was settling for a b450 pro carbon and stupid msi failed as they didn't even have a stable version bios ready for the new ryzen chips. So returned it and decided to get an x570 since fan noise is not an issue on most, when using silent profile.

Do you happen to know if asus ever added in a silent fan profile for their x570-f where the chipset fan can go all the way off, like gigabyte and msi did? I really am down to hardly any choices. Use rear type c or get gigabyte x570 pro (which I think someone said his 1070 ti wouldn't even fit in it, so I guess so much for that choice...) or asus x570-f.

 

[DefinitelyNotTom]

forgot to mention too that someone claims the msi chipset fans aren't as good as asus ones. it's a real mess sorting through all of these decisions.

 

[Darkbreeze]

Ok, well I don't think I'm the right person to help you then because none of my burners or players have anything other than the micro USB B connection to connect to your PC via USB cable and on some of them, an additional AC power adapter cable port. That's it. Is this an internal or external BD drive and is is just a player or a BD burner?

Or am I completely confused and you are talking about an actual consumer electonics BD player that connects to your tv, and not the type that connects to your PC. Maybe I'm thinking about the wrong kind of Blu ray player here. I think you are talking about the type that connects directly to the TV and if that's the case, then I see what you are talking about but I'm not sure what that has to do with the actual PC itself because that literally should be two totally different questions or threads I think.

Also, you'd best make sure that your BD player can even USE that external SSD because most of them can ONLY use USB flash drives, not actual hard drives or SSDs, and, they are typically size limited. Mine for example won't read any flash drive over 64GB. Granted, it's a couple of years old and I'm sure things have changed, but best to make sure because when I got that thing I bought a 128GB flash drive to use with it and it not only wouldn't work with anything larger than 64GB, but it would ONLY read images off the drive for displaying pictures, not playing movies or video.

 

[DefinitelyNotTom]

Ok, well I don't think I'm the right person to help you then because none of my burners or players have anything other than the micro USB B connection to connect to your PC via USB cable and on some of them, an additional AC power adapter cable port. That's it. Is this an internal or external BD drive and is is just a player or a BD burner?

Or am I completely confused and you are talking about an actual consumer electonics BD player that connects to your tv, and not the type that connects to your PC. Maybe I'm thinking about the wrong kind of Blu ray player here. I think you are talking about the type that connects directly to the TV and if that's the case, then I see what you are talking about but I'm not sure what that has to do with the actual PC itself because that literally should be two totally different questions or threads I think.

Also, you'd best make sure that your BD player can even USE that external SSD because most of them can ONLY use USB flash drives, not actual hard drives or SSDs, and, they are typically size limited. Mine for example won't read any flash drive over 64GB. Granted, it's a couple of years old and I'm sure things have changed, but best to make sure because when I got that thing I bought a 128GB flash drive to use with it and it not only wouldn't work with anything larger than 64GB, but it would ONLY read images off the drive for displaying pictures, not playing movies or video.

As far as using the ssd, I am talking about for a consumer player, but it's a fairly high end one. Like I said, I found where someone owned what is basically the same player, but with a different brand name on it, and they have used this exact ssd on it with no issues.

So I am basically talking about a lot of different things, not necessarily all related:

1. going to use the ssd to get files from my pc and then watch on the BR player.
2. would "rather" do that with a front type c port, but my options are limited and would be so much more costly, I don't know that I should.
3. If I get the r6 case, "then" is where a BR burner comes into play because I'd have the 5.25 bay on it, so I'd hate to not utilize it with an internal burner. But people say it's very rare to be able to get a burner to burn 4K content. (that is also the main reason that burning a disc isn't an option on a lot of video content).

So I have so many issues going on. msi mobo has no front type c and some say its chipset fan is bad, define c case ahs no front type c, r6 has it but costs $50 more, a couple mobs under $300 have front type c but the gigabyte is rated terribly and the asus costs $299 and unless they changed their bios recently it can't have the chipset fan turned off.

 

[Darkbreeze]

Ok, I understand now. We are on the same page finally. LOL.

From what I can see, there are NO cases with front panel USB C under 136.99.

If you want USB C on the front panel, based on the case alone and without even getting into the motherboard aspect of it, these are what you have to choose from.

https://pcpartpicker.com/products/case/#D=4&sort=price&t=3&m=11,106,229

 

[DefinitelyNotTom]

Ok, I understand now. We are on the same page finally. LOL.

From what I can see, there are NO cases with front panel USB C under 136.99.

If you want USB C on the front panel, based on the case alone and without even getting into the motherboard aspect of it, these are what you have to choose from.

https://pcpartpicker.com/products/case/#D=4&sort=price&t=3&m=11,106,229

For case I pretty much had decided flat out I'd get the r6, which amazon has a coupon on to bring it down to $140. But the define c was only $80 (shipping later in the week if I don't cancel), so that's already $60 right off. In fact, now that I think about it the cae was $130 yesterday and when I DID order it the price was $135, but I canceled it. So I've even cost myself $15 extra from canceling and reordering unless amazon would let me still get it at $125.

Then we come to mobo. On newegg (when they get it back ins tock), the msi x570 pro carbon is $270 minus $30 in rebates. so $240.

Well, to get a mobo with front type c, since I really would only want asus, msi, or MAYBE gigabyte, I'd have to get either the $270 gigabyte x570 pro or the $299 asus x570-f (which ridiculously doesn't even have wifi).

So see right off the bat just from the case and mobo changes I'd be out mighty close to $100 extra and then I'd be tempted to get an internal BR burner to take advantage of the 5.25 bay. So I'd be out around $200 just to get the front type c and go from external BR to internal. lol. That's a lot of extra expense just to try to move that port to the front.

 

[Darkbreeze]

I agree, it is.

 

[DefinitelyNotTom]

oh well I'll just have to make some decision and be done. I have for real been buying parts for literally years without building. I better NEVER do that again... taking years to buy parts for one build. It's been stressful and then newer parts come out and I can't resist selling my other ones and spending more money.

Probably the smart thing is to just stick with define c and pro carbon and save that extra mkoney and deal with a rear type c port. But I don't know.

 

[Darkbreeze]

Never buy parts for the future. It makes no sense because something better is ALWAYS right around the corner. Also, never hold off on buying parts just because things are around the corner, because things will ALWAYS be right around the corner. Unless something is being released in the VERY near future, and you want or need that specific thing, you should always wait and buy ALL your parts at the same time in one big purchase even if it's from separate vendors. That way you might avoid unnecessary extra shipping costs, getting hardware that is not compatible with something else you decide you want after the fact and you avoid ending up in an endless upgrade cycle where you lose money by selling off hardware you paid new prices for, but only get part of your investment back. Never a good idea to do things piecemeal when it comes to building systems.

 

[DefinitelyNotTom]

I agree with the latter, but as far as that first part, there are many times where if someone buys something a bit better in the beginning they keep the pc longer before upgrading. One doesn't buy for the future thinking nothing better will come along, they buy as good as they can afford for current parts where they can resist future improved hardware longer.