Samsung's 10-Year Plan Starts With 128TB QLC SSD, 960 Successor

[Guest]

Samsung has a ten-year road map, and it starts with a massive 128TB QLC SSD announcement, updated Z-SSD using optimized MLC, and a leak about the successor to the 960 series.

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[Rookie_MIB]

Oh holy crap. 128TB? That would have to be something in the 3.5" form factor? Or is that an AIB? Those would be great if the endurance is sufficient.

 

[USAFRet]

In before all the people with no sense of history start moaning about "It's going to be too expensive!!!"

 

[gangrel]

This'll be a drive for data centers. Maybe it'll fit into a 3.5" form factor, but these are likely targeted for rack-mounted systems and server farms. Figure: $100 per TB would still mean $13K. And that'd be an insanely huge price drop, especially since *extremely* high capacity over the usual market, carries its own, separate price premium.

 

[drwho1]

128TB full of Porn!
In a more serious tone... I would like this even if they are slow to keep my entire TV shows and another for my entire movie collection.

Of course another for Porn wouldn't hurt either. [face_mischief]

 

[velocityg4]

How many years until these run the price of current 128GB SSD?

I could store all the video I want. I wouldn't have to compress or archive anything again.

 

[Michae_1]

I would love to Ram-Raid a pair of these 5ms disks.

 

[USAFRet]

How many years until these run the price of current 128GB SSD?

I could store all the video I want. I wouldn't have to compress or archive anything again.

Well...
128TB is at least 20X more drive space than the vast majority people have.

Prices? A 1TB SSD in 2010 was upwards of $1500. Today, even with the recent SSD price uptick....1TB = $250.
Extrapolate...

 

[trevor_dennis]

This is going to sound a bit selfish, and I am sorry for that, but I really hope that all the bluster coming from Samsung's neigbours in the north, doesn't esculate into full scale war. An unthinkable number of people would become toast, and all that wonderful tech would be set back years.

 

[USAFRet]

1. That won't happen

2. Let's cut this off right there. Off topic wanderings like this are verboten.

 

[bit_user]

Just two years ago, the company announced the first flash-based product to deliver more capacity than hard disk drives.

Cool. Now they just need to focus on matching their price.

(note: I didn't say $/GB, as it doesn't help me if they only achieve parity in a 128 TB SSD I can't afford.)

 

[Rob1C]

Don't worry about paying for it.

As long as the Server you connect with has better, faster, cheaper it's a win for you today; 5 to 10 years from now it will be right-sized and accessibley priced.

It's a 1000x bigger than many people thought they needed a half dozen years ago.

 

[gangrel]

Even if we continue the price drops...so, say, in 8-16 TB sizes, we're down to $50/TB 5 years from now...this drive is still gonna be over $6000.

And it's 1000x bigger than most need today, IMO. That said...we'll only get sloppier and sloppier as we go along. The bigger the pipe, the larger the sinkhole...the more junk we cram through or toss in without thinking. Doesn't matter whether it's RAM, disk size, internet connection speed, CPU speed, graphics speed......

 

[USAFRet]

And it's 1000x bigger than most need today, IMO.

Yup.
Most of my movie collection lives at Amazon/Netflix/someone elses server.
I don't need, or want, a local copy of everything.

 

[Mattias_2]

I see the usual tin foil hat people are out in force... 128TB ssd price will be far beyond what a normal person coud afford.... lets go back in time like an archeologist.... 40gb HDD = 80-100 USD when released.... Today you get them thrown after you !...


20GB SSD Released at 80-100 USD....cant remember the year and these prices are Swedish since the market for storage fluctuates alot from country to country.

now you might be upset but this drive is NOT for your everyday joe.. its mainly for Buisnesses.....

and 128tb..unless there is an explosion of games that increases to 1TB install within the next 5-8 years will last you 10-15 years easily... u would NEVER need to uninstall a game / delete a game...

dont rage do the math first.... normal game storage today is 1-2 TB storage drives and remember those are MOST of the time HDD@5400rpm...... Bye old HDD welcome mainstream SSD

 

[gangrel]

I picked up a Kindle Paperwhite...oh, a year or so ago, I think. Currently have about 150 or so books on it. Couple weeks ago, I started organizing them into folders, because the KPW's navigation software is horribly limited. Not entirely done, but no matter what...finding what I want won't be all that easy. And I've been heavily series-oriented; about 35 of em are in 2 series/collections.

And that's content in the hundreds. Not 10,000 songs and 2,000 videos. Space isn't necessarily the issue; effective access is.

Another aspect...backup. Are you really going to trust 10+ years of video and music collection to your SSD alone? Would you rather have one massive 128 TB internal drive...or something like a 4 TB drive, with an external RAID unit hosting 5 more? Which, BTW, is gonna be a tiny fraction of the price, no matter how much cost per terabyte drops.

Data centers justify huge drives because they save on power and air conditioning costs...savings which are trivial when talking 1 or 2 drives, but add up if you can replace 10,000 drives with 1250.

 

[alextheblue]

And it's 1000x bigger than most need today, IMO.

It's only about 25X bigger than what I need today. But yeah, I guess if you don't play games, don't use your PC for space-intensive work, have fast internet, and generally don't store any media offline, you can get by with 128GB drives, sure.

 

[USAFRet]

It's only about 25X bigger than what I need today. But yeah, I guess if you don't play games, don't use your PC for space-intensive work, have fast internet, and generally don't store any media offline, you can get by with 128GB drives, sure.

It's only about 10x the drive space I have here at the house.
2TB SSD space in my main box, 1TB SSD space sprinkled among other PCs, ~11TB HDD space in the NAS box (60% used).

Of that, approx 2.5TB is movie/video. The vast majority of movies I have yet to watch live at Amazon, Netflix, utube.

 

[mapesdhs]

Chris, you've covered a lot of these tech developments, but one question, how are companies coping with backup demands? ie. is the Ultrium tech or equivalent still being pushed forward to match, or is backup itself shifting to some other MO? Looking at Ultrium7 specs, it seems Samsung is pushing single device storage density to an order of magnitude higher than a single top-end tape. Where does backup go from here?

How many years until these run the price of current 128GB SSD?

I could store all the video I want. I wouldn't have to compress or archive anything again.

Nah, 'cos by then you'd be having to cope with 8K or 16K video and grud knows what hellish game installs, console downloads and bloated Winslows. ;D

Ian.

 

[deepblue08]

We really do need higher density SSDs. I've been installing games recently that are 30-60gigs.

 

[mapesdhs]

We really do need higher density SSDs. I've been installing games recently that are 30-60gigs.

Have to wonder to what extent this is lazy coding. You know the old saying, data expands to fill the space available.

 

[USAFRet]

Have to wonder to what extent this is lazy coding. You know the old saying, data expands to fill the space available.

Its not the action code...movement, AI, etc...it is the ever increasingly photorealistic images.
Better quality images take up more space. In your camera or in the game.

 

[bit_user]

We really do need higher density SSDs. I've been installing games recently that are 30-60gigs.

Have to wonder to what extent this is lazy coding. You know the old saying, data expands to fill the space available.

If lazy coding is what it takes to fill 30-60 gigs, then what do you call it when someone fits this into 64k?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gX7ESVZ7T6Y

 

[mapesdhs]

If lazy coding is what it takes to fill 30-60 gigs, then what do you call it when someone fits this into 64k?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gX7ESVZ7T6Y

I guess the opposite of lazy. 8)