News Sapphire Radeon X080 and X060 RDNA2 Mining Cards Spotted

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Sapphire's RDNA2-based mining cards, the X080 and X060, are impossible to find in mainstream outlets.

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[-Fran-]

(I hope it works)

Regards xD

 

[ezst036]

Yes! Finally AMD mining cards! Hopefully Intel introduces some of these next year as well. Miners and gamers really need market/product divergence away from each other.

 

[-Fran-]

Yes! Finally AMD mining cards! Hopefully Intel introduces some of these next year as well. Miners and gamers really need market/product divergence away from each other.

So you're fine with the fact GPUs that could have been used for proper Video Cards to be made mining cards instead, which zero re-sale value and become more electronic waste after the miners move onto the next better mining card? Really? Because you do realize the GPU inside a miner card could have been used for another regular video card, right?

Regards.

 

[TJ Hooker]

The X060 "mining accelerator" seems to be identical to a regular RX 6600 except with a couple less display outputs.

The X080 seems to be a little bit custom, in that it's a Navi 22 die but cut down further than existing products, in terms of both CU count and memory bus.

 

[ezst036]

So you're fine with the fact GPUs that could have been used for proper Video Cards to be made mining cards instead, which zero re-sale value and become more electronic waste after the miners move onto the next better mining card? Really? Because you do realize the GPU inside a miner card could have been used for another regular video card, right?

Regards.

The e-waste argument is a red herring at a time when people are paying double or more for several generations old hardware. By the time these are indeed e-waste it will be because they're e-waste worthy, not because usable hardware was ditched early on.

So too is the "could have been used" issue. These are chips that are being recycled that were not production worthy.

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/n...p-crypto-mining-gpus#xenforo-comments-3690003

When Nvidia launched CMP, the chipmaker was firm on the fact that it wouldn't impact the supply of its GeForce gaming graphics cards.

Using viable GPUs would impact the supply of Geforce gaming cards. To use a phrase, this is free silicon for the taking. Your contention may be correct on the AMD side as we know all of about nothing at the moment, but I suspect its the same situation. AMD will recycle defective dies that don't meet production specification. This is about as win-win as it can get.

 

[-Fran-]

The e-waste argument is a red herring at a time when people are paying double or more for several generations old hardware. By the time these are indeed e-waste it will be because they're e-waste worthy, not because usable hardware was ditched early on.

So too is the "could have been used" issue. These are chips that are being recycled that were not production worthy.

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/n...p-crypto-mining-gpus#xenforo-comments-3690003

Using viable GPUs would impact the supply of Geforce gaming cards. To use a phrase, this is free silicon for the taking. Your contention may be correct on the AMD side as we know all of about nothing at the moment, but I suspect its the same situation. AMD will recycle defective dies that don't meet production specification. This is about as win-win as it can get.

Well, no to both points* you refute.

The waste argument is absolutely valid due to the volume in which the miners are buying these cards vs the normal people looking to game with them (even if they mine on the side). As soon as those GPUs don't turn a profit or it is more profitable to move to another card or tech to mine, those will get rid of. The cards with no re-sell value will go directly to the landfills and at least regular GPUs can go into the used market (as you say; old cards are still selling well). This segmentation is on behalf of nVidia's / AMD's bottom line and do not fool yourself by thinking this is due to them "thinking about those poor gamers with no access to GPUs". If they can control what miners get in bulk, then they also control, indirectly the used market. It doesn't matter how you want to spin it, the writing is on the wall for this one in regards to the short-lived and single-purpose life of those mining cards.

As for the chip manufacturing. I won't give neither AMD nor nVidia the benefit of the doubt in the way they phrase things. They have full overview on how they project their production lines on both consumer, proffessional, HPC and now mining. They allocate GPUs and do the trickling down vs what they want to sell in each segment. The between the lines reading there is: of course it won't interfere with the consumer cards if they just allocate less capacity to it and fullfill their internal quota. Yes, this is by no means easy to verify, but it's business. Why would you force your product to the lowest margin segment when you can make way more with even less effort? Again, don't fool yourself there.

Regards.

 

[TJ Hooker]

The e-waste argument is a red herring at a time when people are paying double or more for several generations old hardware. By the time these are indeed e-waste it will be because they're e-waste worthy, not because usable hardware was ditched early on.

So too is the "could have been used" issue. These are chips that are being recycled that were not production worthy.

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/n...p-crypto-mining-gpus#xenforo-comments-3690003



Using viable GPUs would impact the supply of Geforce gaming cards. To use a phrase, this is free silicon for the taking. Your contention may be correct on the AMD side as we know all of about nothing at the moment, but I suspect its the same situation. AMD will recycle defective dies that don't meet production specification. This is about as win-win as it can get.

The dies used for Nvidia's CMP all have the same specs as their gaming GPUs so yes they could have been used for gaming cards (albeit older Turing/12nm for the most part), The only exception is the CMP 90HX, which uses a configuration of the GA102 dies that isn't (currently) used in a Geforce card. But it could be, i.e. they could release a 3070 Ti Super (or whatever they want to call it) that uses such a die config to make use of those dies in gaming cards if they wanted to. Or just cut it down slightly further to be used as a 3070 Ti.

Edit: Wasn't considering the 170HX or 220HX here, as I believe those are still only rumors. /Edit

The situation appears to be similar for these purported AMD mining cards. As I said above, based on the specs in this article the X060 dies are the exactly the same as the dies used for RX 6600 cards. The X080 dies could be used for the long-awaited RX 6700 non-XT.

As far as when the cards will stop being used, that'll happen when they're no longer profitable to mine. That could be many years away, or it could happen in a matter of months, no one can say for sure.

 

[ezst036]

Well, no to both points* you refute.

In regard to manufacturing and use of recycled dies, I've been looking at other sites and noticed that Tom's has written about this recycling several times as well but all of these sites are careful to say they only suspect that the case. So you're correct it isn't confirmed. Here's another:

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/n...ild-with-164-mhps-ethereum-mining-performance

The CMP 170HX is likely made via defective, harvested chips that didn't make it into the company's A100

It would only work if recycling dies. If they are using perfectly viable dies as you suspect then mining cards is a ridiculous proposition. Hopefully Nvidia and/or AMD confirm this some day. It is a reasonable thing to suspect though - what does Nvidia do with a defective A100?

The problem is is that without re-basing as a miner card then these are already going to e-waste, it just happens on day 1. Surely you realize that? So using defective chips for market divergence just makes too much logical sense. Having them not go to e-waste for a 3-5 year period or even 1 year in a miner's rig is better than throwing them away at the fab.

 

[ezst036]

The dies used for Nvidia's CMP all have the same specs as their gaming GPUs so yes they could have been used for gaming cards.

I didn't know that. The speculative forecasts about "viability" on part of some of these authors caught me.

If they're not using recycled dies then is a ridiculous proposition to have miner cards.

But the reality is that unviable dies are e-waste on day 1. Making them into miner cards gives them months or years of viability first. In other words, in this scenario miner cards reduce e-waste, not increase it. Everybody wins. In the end we do need market divergence with Nvidia/AMD/Intel making miner-specific products that don't affect GPU supply and separate "us" from "them". The status quo clearly doesn't work. We can't keep fighting over the same silicon.

 

[TJ Hooker]

It would only work if recycling dies. If they are using perfectly viable dies as you suspect then mining cards is a ridiculous proposition. Hopefully Nvidia and/or AMD confirm this some day. It is a reasonable thing to suspect though - what does Nvidia do with a defective A100?

The problem is is that without re-basing as a miner card then these are already going to e-waste, it just happens on day 1. Surely you realize that? So using defective chips for market divergence just makes too much logical sense. Having them not go to e-waste for a 3-5 year period or even 1 year in a miner's rig is better than throwing them away at the fab.

If a die is partially defective they can just use it in a lower tier model, the same as they've always done for all their GPUs. Are you aware that the A100 uses the GA100 die that has 8192 CUDA cores, but the A100 itself only has 6912 active? Meaning that the A100 is already using partially defective dies. If the dies have too many defects to be used for an A100, they could just release it as a A80 or whatever.

Although the A100/GA100 aren't designed for gaming, so they arguably aren't relevant here.