SAPPHIRE TRI-X OC r9 290 low fps on BF3, Far Cry 3, Team Fortress 2 ETC.?

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tony9498

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i just bought the SAPPHIRE TRI-X OC r9 290 to replace my hd7970 after i noticed i had low fps while playing some games, when i installed my video card i played battlefield and i noticed i was getting around the same fps or sometimes it went down even lower sometime. i have all the latest drivers for the gpu. i also updated the bios to the latest one but same thing no fix.
When playing any game but especially bf3 i get random fram drop but not constantly but almost all the time my fps are 39-60 and sometimes drops to below 20 or if i am lucky it goes to 120+ in some ares of the map.this problem also happens in far cry 3 and team fortress 2 with low fps and i have seen people with the eact setting and components and they are getting a stable 80+ fps



system spec:
AMD fx 8350
asus sabertooth 990fx r2.0
corsair 2 sticks of 4 gb ram (8gb in total)
SAPPHIRE TRI-X OC r9 290
kingston ssd hyper 3x with windows 8.1 installed on it
regular asus dvd drive
seagate 1 tb hdd
rosewell 700 hive psu

 


Hi again.
The i7 920 is based on "socket B" (LGA 1366), which works with the X58 chipset. X58 supports triple channel configurations, which is interesting. You didn't answer my question, though. What's your exact ram stick configuration? You are obviously using different sets of sticks, probably with different timings, voltage requirements and maybe even different working frequencies, that can be a problem, that's why I asked.
Since the X58 chipset supports single, dual and 3 channel configurations, you can experiment with different ram configurations AS LONG AS the sticks you are using have the same timings, voltage requirements and working frequency (compatible with both your mobo and the X58 chipset, of course). Check this out> http://www.overclock.net/t/1200980/lightbox/post/16207501/id/700696
If I were you, I'd first test with three identical sticks of, say, 4GB with a voltage requirement no higher than 1.65v and with the same timings/working frequency.
If you read your mobo's manual (like you did), you'll know which 3 slots to use in order to "enable triple channel".
If that doesn't change your R9 290's performance in benchmarks or games, then you should try running in dual channel instead and see how it goes. (Check your mobo's manual in order to know the proper stick placement for each mode).
The important thing (again), is to make sure that ALL the sticks you are using in your particular ram configuration (be it dual or 3 channel) have the same exact specs (timings/voltage/working frequency -supported by both mobo and X58 chipset, of course-), otherwise you risk system instability and low performance.
I'm telling you this because I've read similar threads in which some R9 290 owners solved low gpu performance problems just by correcting wrong ram stick placement.
I know it sounds stupid, even absurd, but this really did the trick for some people...

Also, you didn't say what psu are you using. Is it powerful enough?
AMD recommends a minimum of 750W, with two 8pin pcie connector capability.
Also, you didn't specify what mobo are you using, this is also important.

EDIT: Ok, after reading your first post again I've noticed that you actually specified your mobo model towards the end. You have a P6T Deluxe V2, right? I'm guessing that your ram config is 3x4GB sticks for the "first channel" (slot group) and 3x2GB sticks for the "second channel" (the colored slot group). Is that correct? If this is the case and both of your triple stick sets have the same specs (and those specs are compatible with your mobo), then you should be fine. You could try using only the "first channel"/slot group (use only a set of identical 3x4GB sticks) and see if that affects gpu performance, just in case. In fact, you can also try using just the "second channel"/colored slot group (one group is black and the other is orange-ish, right? I mean, you have 3 black ram slots and 3 orange-ish ram slots in your mobo, right?), just perform tests using one group of slots at a time, this way you can rule out ram channel issues in your mobo. Just place 3 identical sticks in the proper slots (according to the mobo's manual) and then run CPU-Z. Under the "Memory" section you should see what kind of ram configuration is actually being applied...if the "#Channel" value is "single" or "dual" then there's a problem.

I also own a Sapphire R9 290 Tri-X OC 4GB and I get 3400 in Unigine Valley with the same settings and resolution you used. If I overclock it, then I can reach 3900-4000, which is GTX 970 performance level. Yes, I'm using a more powerful cpu (i7 2600k oc to 4.3GHz, Z68 chipset), but perhaps this isn't the only reason why my gpu is performing better in benchmarks and games.
I'm also running on PCI Express 2.0, but I'm using a dual channel ram config (2x4GB + 2x4GB. Timings, voltages and frequencies within each of those slot groups are the same, my system is stable, my oc is stable, my gpu works as it should in most scenarios).

Another thing that could be hindering performance is Windows 8.1... It has a reputation for lower performance in games and, on top of that, you said Asus hasn't released Windows 8.1 compatible drivers, that can be a problem. Are you sure you can't revert back to Windows 7? If a program works in Windows 8.1, it should work in Windows 7 too...for the most part, LOL.

Another thing that can lower performance is power-saving features.
DISABLE THEM ALL in BIOS, Windows and in Catalyst.

I was about to tell you to upgrade only your cpu, the i7 965 seemed like a better option than the i7 920...but then I saw the prices for the i7 965 and above, LOL. Something is clearly wrong here, prices reach +1000$, LOL. Something is driving i7 900 series prices up, and clearly it's not performance...perhaps it's just that they are rare/old...it could also be that the prices haven't been updated for the last 4 years. It could also be that Intel is playing dirty. They charge ridiculous prices for older i7 processors which only surpass newer i7s in number of cores (some of them) and cache capacity (that doesn't make them faster/better, as performance tests indicate), in the hope that those "big numbers" will lure uninformed customers. Also, people (like you) who decide to stick to their old LGA1366 sockets, might prefer to only upgrade the cpu rather than having to buy a new mobo too (due to socket incompatibility)...perhaps Intel is setting those ridiculous prices for older architectures in order to "force" those customers to change sockets. Why? Mobo manufacturers are in business with them, this is a way for both Intel and its partners to increase sales. Perhaps some people at Intel want to get rid of the LGA1366 socket but others don't want to just yet, who knows?
Anyway, you can get a used i7 965 for a realistic price of around 200$> http://www.amazon.com/Intel-Hyper-Threading-LGA1366-Extreme-Processor/dp/B001H5T7PQ
You can also get a used i7 980X for 384$> http://www.amazon.com/Intel-i7-980X-Extreme-Edition-Processor/dp/B003922WES

If I were you, I wouldn't buy any LGA1366 socket based processors for more than 400$, because, for that kind of price, you can get a new generation i7, which is better in most aspects...and with a little more money you can also get a mobo that will support the new socket.
 


I also get lots of black screens and low fps this sucks
 


I haven't had a blackscreen since drivers 14.1 in like january of 2014. I really dunno what to tell you about that one

Swapping from 8350 to 4790k has fixed all of my performance issues though, 100% GPU usage 24/7 now

 


Thank you for such a detailed reply. Sorry it's taken me a long time to reply.

You were spot on regarding my setup of triple channel ram. I have 3x2GB and 3x4GB (both Corsair with the same timings and speed (9-9-9-24 @1600MHz).

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/137479361/ram/all%20sticks.jpg
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/137479361/ram/corsair%203x2.jpg
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/137479361/ram/corsair%203x4.jpg

I tried your suggestion of removing the larger triple set from their black slots (leaving the original 3x2GB in the orange slots). Now I'm back to 6GB ram (checked in CPUz and it's listed as channel: Triple). Unfortunately it's not helped my poor results. I just tried Heaven 4.0 again but this time with my i7 920 OC'd to 3.8GHz.

I saw a video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPUa5OLnqEY)- same GPU getting amazing results from stock settings. He was running "Extreme" at 1920x1080. I get around 14FPS ! at 1600x900. "Extreme" auto-enables 8xAA (guessing it's MSAA) and that is the killer.

 
I also have this very same problem. My build is I7 2600k/Asus maximus iv-z extreme/850watt psu/8gb dominator ram 1600mhz/2tb seagate baracuda hd/I7 is water cooled.
I play ESO(Elder Scrolls Online). First log in 99fps, but as time goes on (10min) my fps starts dropping too sofar 20! I then type /reloadui to refresh screen and its back too 99fps to start the same problem all over again.
I have tried uninstalling Amd Catalyst drivers and Msi afterburner and tried using DDU also and reload drivers and still same issue.
Now my 1st month using this card this didnt happen. Only after that did it start doing this. I have also tried messing with the overclocking and power limits. Still same. I tried changing out motherboard with Azrock Z77 and also the power supply to a 750 i had laying around. Still same thing. I've been researching for the solution online for about a month now. Still cannot find anyone that has a fix for this! I'm at a loss!
Been thinking of building my next pc and my wife's pc and seriously going to buy an expensive Nvidia card. I don't think i will be going back too ATI anytime soon unless of course I find a fix to this before that happens!
 


I will check that out! Thank you. That's one thing I havent thought of yet!
 
update: prior solution did not work, still same issue with loss of fps down too sometimes 1 fps. 2 days later I found that the motherboard (asus maximus extreme-z p68) was the problem. power surges from usb ports were going off. Had a newer mobo sitting around (Asrock Z77) so installed that along with the new drivers for the mobo. Without re-installing catalyst drivers, I gave it a go on Elder Scrolls online for 8 hours straight and have yet to lose fps like before. All settings on "high performance" even with the power limits set to full, running average 90 fps (50 was lowest). So hopefully I will not have anymore issues. If so then I will re-install the R9 290 drivers and go from there. Hope this sheds some light on any problems that anyone else has.
 
OK I'm a total idiot. Ages ago I must've set Tessellation Override in CCC (sorry for wasting people's time). Having come from NVidia usage for at least ten years now I wasn't properly aware that this was an option with AMD. It was basically brute forcing AMD tessellation over everything and killing my perf. I have far better benchmarks now (now I'm pretty sure any other stutters and dips are due to my aging CPU (i7 260@OC3.8GHz)).

In the Witcher 3 I'm now running with VSR (1440p downsampled to 1080p) at Ultra everything bar Shadows (set to High) and HairWorks Off. I'm getting circa 40fps without HairWorks and 30ish with HairWorks (and HairWorks MSAA in the ini file set to 2 and overriding Tessellation to 8x - apparently Nvidia defaults in game at 64).

Frametimes don't show quite the same story... quite a lot of high peaks eg 45ms+ that don't show up on the FPS (cause of the stutters I imagine) but this is likely due to AMD driver <> RED Engine issues.