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"Save Windows XP" Petition
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misterlarry
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XP isn't going anywhere until all the world's major businesses upgrade their thousands of computers to handle 64 bit, in which case they will probably go with XP Pro 64 bit instead of building tricked out work stations that can run Vista or its' successor. IMHO
Only one bank in my area runs Win XP on their workstations... two run Windows 2000 (recently upgraded from Win NT) and one still runs Win 95. Even if MS officially kills XP, businesses will still use it.
Off the top of my head, I don't know of any businesses in the area running Vista. We have it on a couple of our workstations... aside from it being a little bit different to set up on our domain, there's really no issues with it.
Off the top of my head, I don't know of any businesses in the area running Vista. We have it on a couple of our workstations... aside from it being a little bit different to set up on our domain, there's really no issues with it.
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Meh... I don't fear Vista, I've embraced it.
(Whiny bunch of people that don't know a computer from a calculator apparently do speak loudly enough for OEMs to hear)
*Ducks*
In truth, it's the OEM's poor implemetation of Vista in most cases that make it unappealing to most users. Someone recently posted an article in the Vista section which refers to Sony's default setup... basically the OEM preload is total garbage and the user was much better off loading a clean install of Vista and updating all the drivers.
That, combined with all the negativity surrounding Vista (some justified, most not) scares people away from trying it.
(Whiny bunch of people that don't know a computer from a calculator apparently do speak loudly enough for OEMs to hear)
*Ducks*
In truth, it's the OEM's poor implemetation of Vista in most cases that make it unappealing to most users. Someone recently posted an article in the Vista section which refers to Sony's default setup... basically the OEM preload is total garbage and the user was much better off loading a clean install of Vista and updating all the drivers.
That, combined with all the negativity surrounding Vista (some justified, most not) scares people away from trying it.
Vista is slow on old hardware... any modern hardware will run Vista fast enough that you wouldn't notice the difference between Vista and XP. New drivers and updates have also zipped up the gap between XP and Vista in gaming performance... so another nail in the anti-Vista bandwagon's coffin there as well.
Software incompatibility... well I haven't come across anything yet that I haven't been able to run on Vista that I used to run on XP. I think most people are still stuck on Vista at launch and haven't taken another look at it because they're simply taking someone else's word that it sucks.
If you remember (which a lot of people don't, apparently), Windows XP was in the same state at launch. Everyone complained about how slow it was... how bloated it was over 98 or 2000 and how it played games worse than 98 or 2000. I used XP since release candidate 2... and was very happy with it... despite all the negativity surrounding it at launch.
Cross your fingers for Windows 7 all you like, but I'm willing to wager that you'll be complaining about it even louder than you're complaining about Vista. It's the cycle that constantly repeats itself every time a new version of Windows is launched.
Software incompatibility... well I haven't come across anything yet that I haven't been able to run on Vista that I used to run on XP. I think most people are still stuck on Vista at launch and haven't taken another look at it because they're simply taking someone else's word that it sucks.
If you remember (which a lot of people don't, apparently), Windows XP was in the same state at launch. Everyone complained about how slow it was... how bloated it was over 98 or 2000 and how it played games worse than 98 or 2000. I used XP since release candidate 2... and was very happy with it... despite all the negativity surrounding it at launch.
Cross your fingers for Windows 7 all you like, but I'm willing to wager that you'll be complaining about it even louder than you're complaining about Vista. It's the cycle that constantly repeats itself every time a new version of Windows is launched.
Situation is even worse on Mac... at least MS cares somewhat about backwards compatibility... with Mac, forget it. If you're old sofware doesn't work on their new OS, you're screwed.
I realize there are situations like yours that exist. You should absolutely stick with XP until you can upgrade. However, when purchasing new computers part of that cost is going to have to be upgrading old software that won't work with the new OS.
Is it a pain in the ass? You bet. But then so is supporting OSes that are nearing 10 years in age on top of supporting everything that's been realeased since.
I realize there are situations like yours that exist. You should absolutely stick with XP until you can upgrade. However, when purchasing new computers part of that cost is going to have to be upgrading old software that won't work with the new OS.
Is it a pain in the ass? You bet. But then so is supporting OSes that are nearing 10 years in age on top of supporting everything that's been realeased since.
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Definitely go with Vista! Now that everybody (my user's) have XP figured out, my tech job is in jeapordy (my spelling to). My company is edging toward Vista slowwwwwly. And when they do, a whole lot of new network issue's to deal with. and of course a lot of new dumb user issue's to help them with. yippeee! i'll have a job till the next Win OS comes out........... Vista rocks
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Meh, people who wanna sign that partitions are a bunch of Big Baby's. No amount of protesting is gonna bring back the glory of Windows XP. I'm not a huge fan of Vista either, but whining about it isn't going to make any difference whatsoever.
1)Its an aging OS. It's 5 years old, and on SP3.
2)Once 64-bit, and computers with 4GB+ RAM become common (2009-10?), XP just won't cut it, and XP 64-bit is garbola.
3)Microsoft's not gonna budge. They've invested too much time and money in Vista.
4)Software and hardware dev's have already phased out 95/98/ME/NT/2000 support, and XP will come soon.
5)People complain about Vista. It's slow, looks ugly, my Motorola 1990's brick phone is more useful, it hogs resources, it can't run on old PCs, it'd not compatable with this or that, there's no drivers and so on...
Funnily enough, I'm getting a sense of deja vu here, as these are EXACTLY THE SAME ARGUMENTS used against Windows XP when it was released. And in another year or so, Vista will be a stable and mature OS, and people will find a new scapegoat to whinge at - Windows Vienna (7).
1)Its an aging OS. It's 5 years old, and on SP3.
2)Once 64-bit, and computers with 4GB+ RAM become common (2009-10?), XP just won't cut it, and XP 64-bit is garbola.
3)Microsoft's not gonna budge. They've invested too much time and money in Vista.
4)Software and hardware dev's have already phased out 95/98/ME/NT/2000 support, and XP will come soon.
5)People complain about Vista. It's slow, looks ugly, my Motorola 1990's brick phone is more useful, it hogs resources, it can't run on old PCs, it'd not compatable with this or that, there's no drivers and so on...
Funnily enough, I'm getting a sense of deja vu here, as these are EXACTLY THE SAME ARGUMENTS used against Windows XP when it was released. And in another year or so, Vista will be a stable and mature OS, and people will find a new scapegoat to whinge at - Windows Vienna (7).
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Some news from InfoWorld:
For the enthusiast who builds their own, there is good news for those who still want to build with XP.
Top OEMs to sell Windows XP PCs down to the wire
For the enthusiast who builds their own, there is good news for those who still want to build with XP.
Good Lord... it's the whole 98 / XP thing all over again. Build a brand new, screaming fast computer... and stick an aging OS on it. Makes no sense to me.
People keep regurgitating the same things said about Vista at realease ad naseum without even bothering to look at any new information. Oh I see... you read it on the internet a year ago and now it's set in stone.
If companies were allowed to focus on supporting the latest OS, the situation would be so much better in terms of drivers and compatibility issues. Instead companies have to support the latest OS without worrying about breaking compatibility with a near decade-old OS.
I completely understand companies with mission-critical systems need to ensure everything works the way they need it to before they can do any major upgrading at all. I know banks still use Win 2K and one even uses Win 95. (Though they will be upgrading to XP this year, apparently).
I don't begrudge anyone that has given Vista an honest chance... but those that keep saying the same things over and over without having given even a casual glance to Vista really need to re-evaulate their stance. Either give it a try or stop using third-hand references from a year ago to formulate your opinion.
People keep regurgitating the same things said about Vista at realease ad naseum without even bothering to look at any new information. Oh I see... you read it on the internet a year ago and now it's set in stone.
If companies were allowed to focus on supporting the latest OS, the situation would be so much better in terms of drivers and compatibility issues. Instead companies have to support the latest OS without worrying about breaking compatibility with a near decade-old OS.
I completely understand companies with mission-critical systems need to ensure everything works the way they need it to before they can do any major upgrading at all. I know banks still use Win 2K and one even uses Win 95. (Though they will be upgrading to XP this year, apparently).
I don't begrudge anyone that has given Vista an honest chance... but those that keep saying the same things over and over without having given even a casual glance to Vista really need to re-evaulate their stance. Either give it a try or stop using third-hand references from a year ago to formulate your opinion.
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@Zoron I gave Vista Ultimate a spin and had some unresolvable soundcard issues, I could have easily solved them by buying a new soundcard, however the soundcard rocks in WinXP, maybe by the time SP2 is released for Vista I'll give her another try, but personally I like to spend my time using my computer, not trying to solve why it isn't. My 2 cents.
Let me guess... Creative card, right?
I personally loved my Audigy 2... but I couldn't stand the damned crackling in most of my games. The issue is of course with VIA chipsets... but my point is that Creative should have solved this issue by now; they've known about it for YEARS. Same goes for Vista drivers. If my "crappy" on-board high-def audio can have decent drivers, then so can Creative. I really want to get an Audigy Xi-Fi for my new build... but I held off because of Creative's driver issues with Vista. (I knew I would be upgrading, so I didn't even bother to put the Audigy 2 card back in).
By the way... you already had a solution... so you didn't have to spend any time solving anything... you just chose your soundcard over your OS.
But as I've said... you gave it an honest try and you didn't like it. At least you aren't regurgitating third-hand accounts... you're relaying your own personal experience. I respect that. Now if we can just get all the other hater posers to do the same...
I personally loved my Audigy 2... but I couldn't stand the damned crackling in most of my games. The issue is of course with VIA chipsets... but my point is that Creative should have solved this issue by now; they've known about it for YEARS. Same goes for Vista drivers. If my "crappy" on-board high-def audio can have decent drivers, then so can Creative. I really want to get an Audigy Xi-Fi for my new build... but I held off because of Creative's driver issues with Vista. (I knew I would be upgrading, so I didn't even bother to put the Audigy 2 card back in).
By the way... you already had a solution... so you didn't have to spend any time solving anything... you just chose your soundcard over your OS.
But as I've said... you gave it an honest try and you didn't like it. At least you aren't regurgitating third-hand accounts... you're relaying your own personal experience. I respect that. Now if we can just get all the other hater posers to do the same...
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Zoron :
Let me guess... Creative card, right?
I personally loved my Audigy 2... but I couldn't stand the damned crackling in most of my games. The issue is of course with VIA chipsets... but my point is that Creative should have solved this issue by now; they've known about it for YEARS. Same goes for Vista drivers. If my "crappy" on-board high-def audio can have decent drivers, then so can Creative. I really want to get an Audigy Xi-Fi for my new build... but I held off because of Creative's driver issues with Vista. (I knew I would be upgrading, so I didn't even bother to put the Audigy 2 card back in).
By the way... you already had a solution... so you didn't have to spend any time solving anything... you just chose your soundcard over your OS.
But as I've said... you gave it an honest try and you didn't like it. At least you aren't regurgitating third-hand accounts... you're relaying your own personal experience. I respect that. Now if we can just get all the other hater posers to do the same...
I personally loved my Audigy 2... but I couldn't stand the damned crackling in most of my games. The issue is of course with VIA chipsets... but my point is that Creative should have solved this issue by now; they've known about it for YEARS. Same goes for Vista drivers. If my "crappy" on-board high-def audio can have decent drivers, then so can Creative. I really want to get an Audigy Xi-Fi for my new build... but I held off because of Creative's driver issues with Vista. (I knew I would be upgrading, so I didn't even bother to put the Audigy 2 card back in).
By the way... you already had a solution... so you didn't have to spend any time solving anything... you just chose your soundcard over your OS.
But as I've said... you gave it an honest try and you didn't like it. At least you aren't regurgitating third-hand accounts... you're relaying your own personal experience. I respect that. Now if we can just get all the other hater posers to do the same...
Actually Zoron the soundcard I have listed in my specs, I just bought it, and it came with 2 installation CDs one for XP dedicated and one for Vista dedicated and I'll be reloading Vista Ultimate and trying it again, but first I'll be getting another HDD and loading it independently, just in case!
Hopefully Creative has resolved these issues, because previously the sound corruption only happened while gaming, which is something I love doing and my main use of my machine is gaming, but the sound corruption made the experience unplayable.
I didn't look at your specs before your post... but somehow I knew it was a Creative card. No matter how much they pass the buck, it's their fault and not Microsoft's. I get great sound in my games with my Realtek on-board HD audio... so Creative has absolutely no excuse.
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My wife uses XP at work and hates it compared to our Vista here at the house, and our Vista is just the Home Basic version. But of course, businesses won't upgrade from XP/2000/ME until they have to.
I bought our Vista Basic for $30 off ebay, and it runs great on a totally brand new system that I only paid $300 for (mostly Asus parts bought from newegg -- Asus mobo, Asus case, AMD dual core CPU, 2 gig RAM, etc.).
Get off of XP's nuts and move forward. Vista crashes less often and has more features and is more secure and looks better. So what if Vista needs more RAM? RAM is dirt cheap.
I bought our Vista Basic for $30 off ebay, and it runs great on a totally brand new system that I only paid $300 for (mostly Asus parts bought from newegg -- Asus mobo, Asus case, AMD dual core CPU, 2 gig RAM, etc.).
Get off of XP's nuts and move forward. Vista crashes less often and has more features and is more secure and looks better. So what if Vista needs more RAM? RAM is dirt cheap.
Well Intel has decided not to adopt cvista for their workstation any comments on that ???
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=12199
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=12199
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