Seagate Launching "Industry's First" 4TB HDD

[AidanJC]

[citation][nom]xyz001[/nom]so in rough numbers:In 1990 we had 20 Megabyte harddisksIn 2000 we had 20 Gigabyte harddisksIn 2011 we are approaching 20 Petabyte harddisksI guess in ten years we have 20 Terrabyte harddisksSeems unreal, but almost certainly bound to happen![/citation]

20 Petabyte's now? I wish..

Someone got mixed up..

 

[Tanquen]

so in rough numbers:

In 1990 we had 20 Megabyte harddisks
In 2000 we had 20 Gigabyte harddisks
In 2011 we are approaching 20 Petabyte harddisks...

Umm, no. No one has a Petabyte HD for sale. NAS yes (200PB, from IBM) but not a single disk. I’m sure you mixed that up but even so in 10 years we’ll be lucky to have a 1PB (1000TB) drive.

 

[Tanquen]

I just wish they would stop overstating the HD capacity. It’s getting a little ridicules at these drive sizes. Every OS I’ve used over the last 25 years says 1024KB = 1MB of RAM or HD space not 1000KB! When I buy 8GB of RAM I get 8192MB of RAM.
So now you fire up and format your new 4TB HD and you get 3.6-ish TB not 4TB! They need to be forced to use a different nomenclature.

 

[NightLight]

i gotta say, that's a lot of pr0n on one drive 😛

 

[Azn Cracker]

[citation][nom]xyz001[/nom]so in rough numbers:In 1990 we had 20 Megabyte harddisksIn 2000 we had 20 Gigabyte harddisksIn 2011 we are approaching 20 Petabyte harddisksI guess in ten years we have 20 Terrabyte harddisksSeems unreal, but almost certainly bound to happen![/citation]

Well sir it seems you skipped terabytes. 1 gb is 1000 mb. 1 tb is 1000 gb.
Following the trend, we should have a 20 terabyte hd by now. How did u get 20 Pb?

 

[Guest]

Tanquen, this has been discussed before and the IEEE agreed that Mega, Giga, and Tera (and Peta, etc.) are decimal magnitudes. Mega is 10^6, Giga is 10^9, and Tera is 10^12. Mebi, Gibi, and Tebi are binary magnitudes. So you have 8 Gibibytes of ram, but 4 Terabytes (3.6ish Tebibytes) of HDD space.

 

[ghnader hsmithot]

I wish more manufacturers would focus on speed of hdd compared to the storage.

 

[danwat1234]

[citation][nom]julius 85[/nom]Since when does a HD movie take up 2GB?[/citation]
Yeah, i'd say a full-length movie can't be considered HD unless it is at least 8GB in size with h.264 encoding, otherwise compression reduces quality too much!

 

[danwat1234]

[citation][nom]Tanquen[/nom]I just wish they would stop overstating the HD capacity. It’s getting a little ridicules at these drive sizes. Every OS I’ve used over the last 25 years says 1024KB = 1MB of RAM or HD space not 1000KB! When I buy 8GB of RAM I get 8192MB of RAM.So now you fire up and format your new 4TB HD and you get 3.6-ish TB not 4TB! They need to be forced to use a different nomenclature.[/citation]

NO NO NO!! The hard drive manufactures are NOT lying to us, this drive indeed has 4TB (Terabytes) of capacity, but only 3.64TiB (Tebibytes). Your computer will see 3.64TiB as the capacity.
I don't why people don't get this yet. The manufactures are stating the true capacity, but they happen to say it in the base 10 system!

 

[johnsmithhatesVLC]

Seagate has a history of making cheap drives with a low mtbf. It's how they drop the prices so low for their products. That's an undeniable fact.

4TB is seriously not going to last long unless seagate has figured out how to fit it into 2 platters.

 

[CaedenV]

[citation][nom]johnsmithhatesVLC[/nom]Seagate has a history of making cheap drives with a low mtbf. It's how they drop the prices so low for their products. That's an undeniable fact. 4TB is seriously not going to last long unless seagate has figured out how to fit it into 2 platters.[/citation]
That is what I hear, but at the same time I have always bought seagate, and I have never lost one due to manufacturing defect. I did loose 2 from faulty power issues (which also took out the last of my maxtor crap), and I did get one that refuses to recognize more than 120GB of a 250GB drive, but that one was 'rescued' from a dumpster and I dont know if it shipped that way.
I still use a 8 year old 80GB drive as a system drive in my backup/testing machine, old slow and noisy, but still works as well as when I bought it!

 

[Guest]

looks like its nearly time to upgrade my 16-bay Fibre-Channel SAN drives,even split into multiple RAID 5s, that's over 50TBs of space....woohoo!!!!

 

[Guest]

So will WD sue them over the book look?

 

[nikkidpartypooper]

i gotta say, that's a lot of pr0n on one drive 😛

Right on! Nightlight,Right on! You got that right a real lot of porn!

 

[nikkidpartypooper]

They'll be a lot of porno addicts happy about seeing this I suspect.

Yeah Wish I Was Wealthy! You got that right! Spot on man!

 

[eddieroolz]

While I appreciate the capacity race, it's a Seagate...and that ruins it for me.

 

[back_by_demand]

[citation][nom]danwat1234[/nom]NO NO NO!! The hard drive manufactures are NOT lying to us, this drive indeed has 4TB (Terabytes) of capacity, but only 3.64TiB (Tebibytes). Your computer will see 3.64TiB as the capacity.I don't why people don't get this yet. The manufactures are stating the true capacity, but they happen to say it in the base 10 system![/citation]
4,000,000,000,000 bytes
4 trillion bytes
4 terabytes

Argue about dividing it up in iterations of 1024 all day, but that's how they work it out.

 

[beayn]

[citation][nom]julius 85[/nom]Since when does a HD movie take up 2GB?[/citation]

That's what I was thinking. Mine are all 8gb to 15gb, which is 266 to 500 movies.

 

[figgus]

Awesome! A new Seagate drive that can take 4TB of valuable data with it when it crashes after 3 months (hey, it IS a Seagate after all).

 

[jgutz2006]

[citation][nom]noblerabbit[/nom]I could get four x 2TB (= 8 TB) Samsung Spinpoint drives for the price of this seagate 4TB drive.that's 4 Terabytes free! does anyone know what that means?[/citation]

It means that your using 4 power cables, and 4 of your 6? or 8? SATA Ports on your motherboard, Now dont use cost as the deciding factor and how much data could you store using those same 4 ports with 4th drives? to a lot of people, that extra 8tb is worth it! + now maybe this will drive the price of your 2, 3TB discs down further

 

[julius 85]

[citation][nom]MMXMonster[/nom]When they are ripped from BluRay using x264 codec. Videos can be anywhere from 2gig up.[/citation]
Well, I meant films.

 

[rosen380]

"Seagate has a history of making cheap drives with a low mtbf. "

Maybe recent history? Check out how many 15-20 year old functional Seagate SCSI drives are on eBay and selling for ~$5-20+ per GB!

Right now I see,
ST52160N, 2GB, $132 [$66/GB]
ST32151N, 2GB, $95 [$47]
ST51080N, 1GB, $45 [$45]
ST34520N, 4GB, $175 [$44]
ST34520N, 4GB, $150 [$37]
ST32272N, 2GB, $72 [$36]
ST51080N, 1GB, $35 [$35]
ST31051N, 1GB, $33 [$33]
ST32272N, 2GB, $65 [$32]
ST34520N, 4GB, $119 [$30]
ST39140N, 9GB, $190 [$21]
ST32550N, 2GB, $30 [$15]

These aren't listed prices from crazy sellers, these are SOLD items. Seagate must have been doing something right in the past when their USED drives from the 90s are are still selling for the kinds of prices that brand new drives sell for now that have 1000x the capacity [and are much faster, I think these 50-pin SCSI drives top out at ~10 MB/s].

 

[Tanquen]

[citation][nom]elitemarksman[/nom]Tanquen, this has been discussed before and the IEEE agreed that Mega, Giga, and Tera (and Peta, etc.) are decimal magnitudes. Mega is 10^6, Giga is 10^9, and Tera is 10^12. Mebi, Gibi, and Tebi are binary magnitudes. So you have 8 Gibibytes of ram, but 4 Terabytes (3.6ish Tebibytes) of HDD space.[/citation]

That is not quite right but why do you think they did that anyway? Manufactures and venders with influence over IEC and SI standers decided that GB is no longer 1073741824 bytes its 100000000 bytes and that the GB that everyone is using and is used to as 1073741824 bytes is not really GB it’s GiB. So they can continue to use misleading numbers when advertising the drive size. It’s funny that none of the operating systems have changed. Maybe that’s because it’s total BS and makes no sense to base some of your computer on one sizing convention and part on another. Hey dad, when I move this file from RAM (data storage) to HD (still data storage) the file size increase. Well son that’s because it not a GiB any more, now it’s a GB. Give me a break! The drive manufactures are the ones that should be using GiB and TiB when lying about their drive sizes. Even then it’s still misleading and everyone that reads up on this knows exactly why they are doing it. It makes their drives sound bigger.

 

[Tanquen]

[citation][nom]danwat1234[/nom]NO NO NO!! The hard drive manufactures are NOT lying to us, this drive indeed has 4TB (Terabytes) of capacity, but only 3.64TiB (Tebibytes). Your computer will see 3.64TiB as the capacity.I don't why people don't get this yet. The manufactures are stating the true capacity, but they happen to say it in the base 10 system![/citation]

Yes (I think) they are. See post above.

 

[rosen380]

Not sure if it is the case anymore-- been a long time since I bought a retail packaged HDD, but back in the good old days, it was usually printed on the box stating something like 'the actual capacity of this 80MB hard drive is 80 million bytes, not 83,886,080 bytes'...