Seasonic 620W S12II-620 + Overclocking?

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I'm going to buy new parts for my computer to be able to overclock my CPU to remove my bottleneck (also going to buy some other stuff.) However, I'm not quite sure if this PSU is really good for overclocking (this will be my first overclock, by the way.). Here is the full list of what I'm going to order (only related to the PC)

PSU: Seasonic 620W S12II-620 80+ Bronze
Case: Corsair Carbide Series SPEC-01 ATX
Motherboard: M5A97 EVO R2.0 or Gigabyte GA-970A-UD3P (still thinking which one to choose.)
CPU-Cooler: Hyper 212 EVO
Other: Anti-static Wriststrap
Other: ArtiClean Clean Kit 60ml

My current setup:
PSU: Corsair 600W V2 80+ Bronze
Case: Regular ATX Case (It's a custom made by a company, so I don't know.)
Motherboard: M5A78L-LE
CPU-Cooler: Stock
CPU: FX-6300 Black Edition @ 3,5 GHz Stock (Planning to overclock it to 4,5GHz, depends if it's stable.)
GPU: GTX Mini 670 2GB (Factory Overclocked)
Other: Stock thermal paste, which came with the FX-6300
Any sort of help is very appreciated, thanks!

 
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Ahh ok, I understand about parents, they can be silly sometimes 😛

That seasonic is good, just it's usually overpriced because it's so good; other can be found cheaper.

If you really want that 620w, it's up to you. Like I mentioned above your GPU only uses around 150w and your CPU uses 95 at stock. Even with overclock you wouldn't go over 400w

If you want to save 20 euro, get this one instead
http://www.jimms.fi/tuote/P1-550S-XXB9
It's the same quality as the seasonic. (made by them actually)

Going by this
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-750-ti-review,3750-21.html
You could get away with a 780 and the overclocked 6300 even. Nvidia uses much less power than the ATI cards.
GTX 780 = 208w at peak. There is no way...
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It is a great PSU, but for the price, this one is better. Capstone gold rated 750W for $70 after rebate. (7 year warranty 😉 )
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182073

Power supply tier list
http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-1804779/power-supply-unit-tier-list.html

Both those motherboards are great, you will be able to get 4.5ghz with them.
The Gigabyte GA-990FXA-UD3 is a newer chipset and only $15 more, something to consider.

Edit: for reference, your GPU would use about 165 at peak and your CPU would use 95w at stock.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-750-ti-review,3750-21.html

 
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Hey, thanks a lot for your answer, jaraldo! :)
Sadly, that Rosewill isn't available at Jimms dot fi 🙁
However, that motherboard is there, but its like 40€ more expensive. So... I don't know why Jimms up prices some stuff lot higher, but they have some good deals too, for example a 144hz 1ms monitor for 219€ even though it costs everywhere else like 290€.
If you're familiar with bulldozer series, then do you think when I have to upgrade year(s) later, am I able to keep going on with the FX-6300 (overclocked) and for example buy a GTX 770 (I heard GTX 760 is not worth it and just skip to GTX 770)?
Oh yeah and by the way, I can't afford that motherboard, sadly. Here comes a question that has got me into thinking a lot... is the Corsair 600W V2 able to handle the overclock, so I could afford that mobo with newer chipset :) Just wondering is it worth to upgrade. I wouldn't like to spend that much money too, because I'm afraid that I might break my hardware though the overclocking process. :)
P.S I will buy the Seasonic if you think my PSU can't handle the overclock! 😀
 
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Oh no worries then. That's why it's always good to say what country you are from :)

Do you have to buy from Jimms?

Get whichever of those 2 motherboards is cheaper, they are both REALLY good.

The 6300 is a very good chip in the mid budget range. It has 6 cores and newer games are starting to use more cores so it's not a bad idea. I would only recommend an i5 and not the i3, I find the i3 really is terrible for the price/performance you get. (at least compared to a 6300)

About the 770, it may bottleneck the 6300. If you can overclock to 4.3 or 4.5 I think there won't be much bottleneck; maybe none. Hard to say.
The r9 graphics cards are usually cheaper and you could get an r9 280x for 30-40 euros less. That's if you like ATI cards.

I would never overclock on a CX version. I would usually ask for a site and help you find some parts, but I'm busy the rest of today 😛

So, reference this list
http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-1804779/power-supply-unit-tier-list.html
usually you will have at least one of these brands (Antec, XFX or Seasonic) in every country. Try to get one of them if possible.

Edit: about your last comment. Well, it's actually the reverse! You want to spend more money to get better quality parts that don't die when you try to overclock 😛. There are so many bad power supplies people get confused, but a powersupply is the only part which can take out your whole computer if it's bad! 🙁
 
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Yes, mostly Jimms. It's hard to explain why and It's a bit embarassing and one of these when parents are skeptical about every single new buying site they visit. We have ordered from Jimms before and in my opinion it's better to order everything from single place. :) I think I'll stick to the Seasonic I was talking about. Rosewill manufacturer is on Jimms, but that exact PSU isn't. 🙁 I'll take the M5A97 R2.0 EVO, because there is a tutorial to overclocking with the same motherboard and CPU, but It's 4,3GHz. I'll follow the tutorials settings, but I'll increase the CPU Ratio 22.5 (4,5GHz, right?) and see if it's stable, if not ill increase the voltage by 0.125. Does that seem right?
4,3 GHz overclock guide: http://youtu.be/T9uXysmgPi8
JayzTwoCents Bulldozer & Piledriver tutorial: http://youtu.be/MckeAmnDeTk (Other guy sent me this on other thread, but I want to get opinion from 2 ppl to make sure. :) )
Which ones settings should I follow? Jayz is of course an expert, but just wondering, haha. 😀
Also, have a good day/night/evening and see you later!
UPDATE: Earlier, I was going to buy Fractal Design Tesla R2 650W 80+ Gold, but I saw a thread where a guy possibly broke two Intel i5s with it, when he returned it, the tech guy someone had a similar problem with the exact same PSU, so I really red marked it off.
UDPATE 2: Searched FX-6300 overclocking and saw this guy with the same PSU & CPU & Mobo (@ 4,5GHz) and he is still running fine with it after months: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UR9ZFvMY26M but that just might be his GPU taking less power.
 
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Ahh ok, I understand about parents, they can be silly sometimes 😛

That seasonic is good, just it's usually overpriced because it's so good; other can be found cheaper.

If you really want that 620w, it's up to you. Like I mentioned above your GPU only uses around 150w and your CPU uses 95 at stock. Even with overclock you wouldn't go over 400w

If you want to save 20 euro, get this one instead
http://www.jimms.fi/tuote/P1-550S-XXB9
It's the same quality as the seasonic. (made by them actually)

Going by this
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-750-ti-review,3750-21.html
You could get away with a 780 and the overclocked 6300 even. Nvidia uses much less power than the ATI cards.
GTX 780 = 208w at peak. There is no way your 6300 will use even close to 350w even if you overclock; maybe 200w for satefy . A 550w will be plenty, totally up to you.

As for overclocking, I always just say to take it slow upping everything little by little. If you get a blue screen/ reboot, take it back some and that should be what your CPU is capable of. Not all CPUs can hit the same GHZ, so you just need to figure out what yours can do.

I have the i5-2500k that I overclocked really easily with the bios to 4.3 and just left it there 4 years ago. Didn't feel going to 4.5ghz would get me much more, and I'm happy with it.
 
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4 years w/ overclock? Intel seems to know how to build some very high quality processors... o.o 4,3 GHz would be fine for me too, but I don't know if 4,5GHz makes a lot difference. But when I saw my processor trying in hope to boost my Core speed up with turbo core, I decided to turn it off since my motherboard can't handle it (It was running 3,8 GHz instead of 3,5GHz) and I basically lost like from 20-70 fps on cs:go. I don't know how my motherboard handled it for many months, but I'm just lucky I guess. My GPU is GTX Mini 670 2GB (Factory O.C) and the minimum I saw was 600W when I was buying it. I would go for that XFX PSU, but I'm not sure if you misunderstood/or I misleaded you accidentally or something. It's also cool to know that almost every PSU is basically made by Seasonic, they must feel good about themselves, haha. Even though LinusTechTips says CoolerMaster has the most solid PSUs, but I just think he's getting paid more (which basically makes me think sometimes is Linus talking true, because in his old videos he's pretty honest about every review without any sponsors, but he loves his job and does anything to get the living out of it.) I have always preferred Linus, because he doesn't literally talk BS like in intros etc and his enthusiasm is just awesome. :) Of course I'm not underestimating your knowledge or anything, but I've been told to get 600W before. By the way about these motherboards, ironically, the AsRock 990FX Extreme3 is 35 euros cheaper than Gigabyte GA-990FXA-UD3 in Jimms and it seems to be around the same quality, but don't know about overclocking with it. If you want to browse motherboards in price order, here is a link: http://www.jimms.fi/listaa/431/order/price (it's filtered AM3) I would totally go for Sabertooth 990FX if I had the money, but not possible. I'm going to build a computer out of the old parts for my parents after the new parts come. That's why I need a new case, and a good one for budget. :) I'll skip the Corsair SPEC-01 and go for BitFenix Comrade, both come with x1 fan for cooling. :)
 
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I expect my i5 to last 10 years easy; It's a damn good cpu. AMD CPUs can be just as good, I've personally just never owned one because there was always an intel cpu on sale when I was buying 😛

The reason they say to have 600w for the GTX 670 is that there are a million terrible power supplies out there that people buy. What the recommendation really means is "600w of a bad brand" because many bad 600w power supplies only give 400w. So the graphics card companies recommend you buy a power supply with too much, instead of too little. (overestimating)

I'd be very interested to see that linustechtips link about cooler master power supplies. I've seen 1 decent model of out about 40.

I just find computer building fun for some reason and most days I take it too seriously, but I do know what I'm talking about don't worry :)

I do understand your concern, I was very cautious on my first build, but I spent $400 more than I wanted to just out of fear. I know a lot more now thankfully. I'm not sure if you noticed, but I give at least one link in every post, I do this so that you can see where I get my information from and make the best decision. I can tell you, I've believed a long time now to never get my facts from only 1 source, so I rarely ever give biased info :)

Back on topic though, the Extreme3 is actually a very bad deal.
https://spreadsheets.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AgN1D79Joo7tdE9xMUFlMEVWeFhuckJEVF9aMmtpUFE&gid=3
You want to have as many VRM/phase count as possible on your motherboard. The VRM is what takes the power to your CPU so if you don't have enough of them, they get very hot because there are few of them and they each need to take more power.

Get the GA-990XA-UD3 if you can.
http://www.jimms.fi/tuote/GA-990XA-UD3
As you can see, it has 8+2 VRM and is only 7 euro more than the UD3P or M5A97. So with 8+2, you have 6 more VRM than the Extreme3 which means the power is distributed more evenly and therefore less chance of overheating.
 
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I remembered wrong about his line, but he said CoolerMaster is one of the solid psu makers out there, here's a link to the near point where he said it. First he was joking but keep watching 😀 http://youtu.be/lqThn3C-zg4?t=4m10s
My budget around the motherboard is 110-120€ I'm quite confused right now, I googled the motherboard with versus stuff and this one popped up https://teksyndicate.com/forum/motherboards/gigabyte-ga-990fxa-ud3-vs-asus-m5a99x-evo-r20/149291 People are saying to stay away from UD3 motherboards if you overclock? Of course I don't always believe everything what I read, but what? xD I didn't mention that I'm actually going to buy QcK+ NiP and SteelSeries Rival (so it lowers my budget by around 80€ 🙁 ). It's a must, because I'm stuck with 6€ mouse and 1€ mousepad and those were the first order thoughts before the new computer parts. Also thanks for that PSU info, might be saving money later on when needed to upgrade! I'm also a bit dissapointed that the Gigabyte XA mobo doesn't have at least x1 USB 3.0 (which Gigabyte GA-970A-UD3P and ASUS M5A97 EVO offers with lower price.), but I understand it's a budget mobo. In some other threads that I've seen is that why spend alot money on motherboard on 100€ CPU and just get i5 with around 100€ motherboard, but that seems to make sense but you really can't find a good budget mobo for intel i5-i7 cpus that are for overclocking without exceeding 130€ price range. It would also be quite disrespectful If I spend time asking questions about FX-6300 overclocking etc and just switch to i5 and new mobo and don't even do any overclock (waste of time from ppl who know about these things.) :) I think I'll go with the Gigabyte one.

UPDATE: Our pc parts were ordered in the form when you have to pay every month to pay up the whole computer price, so my mother said that they actually can't give any money on christmast (but they can buy 1TB HDD so they can use my old HDD so they can get a computer out of my old parts), so basically I can't get the 144hz 1ms monitor which I really wanted in the first place. I've been trying for 30mins now to find out how this works out now. I'm trying to buy the GA-970A-UD3P + Hyper 212 EVO + Rival + QcK + AOC G2460FQ + XFX 550W + ArtiClean Kit but thats like 500€ total, and I don't know what to do now, lol. If the hobby help thing sees a gaming mouse as a hobby equipment (I will buy gym equipment with it too, may also increase chance.). I could save 60€, but that's still a bit much left 438€. Didn't expect it to turn around like this... I'll try to fix this and report back later. :)

UPDATE 2: I think I'll drop off the 144hz 1ms monitor which dissapoints me a lot but I guess I'll have to live with 60hz 5ms w/ ghosting... The monitor was mostly meant for CS:GO (I can achieve more than 144 fps).
XFX 550W + BitFenix Comrade ATX-Midtower Case + Gigabyte GA-970A-UD3P + Hyper 212 EVO + Anti-static Wrist-strap + ArtiClean Clean Kit 60ml + Rival + QcK cost total of 324€ which is lower than my budget.
 
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I also got bluescreen 1hr ago when I was browsing the internet something like this:
Computer got shut down to prevent damage
STOP 0000000000000000000XA
I checked after that and I noticed somehow my Turbo Core was on, so I went to BIOS and disabled it from there and not OverDrive. I think the mobo couldn't handle 3.8GHz that much anymore, or temparatures were too high.
 
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I'm not trying to overclock with my current motherboard. Turbo Core turned itself on somehow, maybe I forgot to save the settings or something, or just OverDrive caused it. I disabled it manually in BIOS so shouldn't be a problem at all now. :)
P.S After months of not noticing Turbo Core running my CPU at 3.8 GHz (stock 3,5 GHz), maybe my mobo just got weaker and almost fried today, but good that it didn't.
 
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I would never overclock on this motherboard, lol.
By the way, do you think the Fatal1ty 990FX KILLER AM3 is better than the gigabyte one?
I've also decided that my final case choice is BitFenix Comrade. It's 10€ cheaper than Corsair SPEC-01. 😀 It looks gorgeous too.
It's also painful to see good deals like this in Jimms, because they never support something like AM3+ http://www.jimms.fi/tuote/A88X-G45-BUNDLE
 
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Btw, missed your other reply. That youtube link lol. Yeah I suppose cooler master has more than 1 good power supply...maybe 3 in total 😛
http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-1804779/power-supply-unit-tier-list.html

An i5 + overclocking motherboard will be about 50% more than the 6300/UD3P combo.

About the fm2+ combo, that's kind of a trap in my opinion. I'm wondering why would someone need that kind of board and CPU cooler for the fm2+. It's a budget chip and no one on a budget is going to spend money for overclocking parts when they can have a much better GPU instead.

About the Killer, yeah it might be better, but I also know for a fact the UD3P is solid. I was recommending other boards when someone recommended the UD3P instead and after a few hours of research I couldn't believe such a nice board was so cheap.

That's a nice case, you'll enjoy it :)

Just so you know, I've never believed in any of that anti-static crap. I've read many times it's just to look professional. I've infact zapped many motherboards and haven't had any issue. If the one you are buying is only 4-5 euro, then it's at least worth it. Some guys spend $40 for it though...
 
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Well it would suck if you break new hardware only because you didn't buy a 6.90€ anti-static strap, lol.
When I built this computer I didn't use anti-static strap or anything like it, and it worked out just fine, but I want to maximize my changes here, but $40 is ridiculous price for one anti-static strap. 😀 I hope the lack of airflow in the BitFenix Comrade doesn't bother my overclocking too much, glad it has 1 fan placed on the back. I really hope my CPU can hit at least 4,3 GHz. :)
 
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Also in the old post I mentioned JayzTwoCents tutorial, should I follow the settings? It's made for FX-6300 too.
Also, do you know what is the max voltage that I shouldn't be near at? 1.50? If my 4,5 GHz isnt stable, should I increase the voltage only once 0.0125v , if it's still not stable still, then should I go back to 4.3 GHz? (if it's stable)
 
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As I said before, I haven't overclocked on an AMD since I've never owned one. I would just take it slow, upping the voltage carefully then testing it's limits.



Yes.

Just follow the guides, but take it slow :)

 
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Thanks for your help, jaraldo. You helped me a lot. :)
 
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