Question Seeking Advice for PC Build: GPT4 vs. Bard Configurations - Optimizing Performance and Future-Proofing

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MinosAminamo

MinosAminamo

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Good afternoon,

I am currently assembling a PC with the assistance of an AI, and I've arrived at two possible configurations. Now, I'm seeking human guidance to finalize the choice.

In the "Bard" configuration:

- Processor: Intel Core i7-14700
- Motherboard: ASUS ROG Strix B660-A Gaming WiFi
- Memory: 16 GB DDR5-5600 MHz
- Storage: 1 TB SSD M.2 PCIe 5.0
- Graphics card: RTX 4070 Super
- Power supply: Corsair 750W

In the "GPT4" configuration:

- Processor: Intel Core i9-12900K
- Motherboard: ASUS ROG Maximus XIII Hero
- RAM: Corsair Dominator Platinum RGB 64GB DDR4-4000
- Storage: Samsung 980 PRO 2TB NVMe SSD
- Power supply: Corsair AX1600i

One of the points of contention is that GPT4 suggests using DDR4, claiming it doesn't have access to DDR5, even after being informed that it is available for purchase. Similarly, GPT4 considers the i9-12900 processor superior to the i7-14700, despite having four fewer cores. Surprisingly, Bard admits that the GPT4 configuration is superior but still recommends purchasing the i7-14700 with DDR5.

I would like to hear the community's opinion. Is there room to further improve these configurations? Please consider the suggestion without financial constraints, but avoid unnecessary expenses on components that won't be fully utilized. It is crucial to avoid purchasing hardware that will quickly become obsolete, as exemplified by the i9-14900K, which may be surpassed by future generations with more cores.

Thank you in advance for any contributions and advice.
 
I'm sorry, did I open the topic incorrectly? Should I create a new one? Why do you think using AI was a mistake? I'm grappling with a significant dilemma regarding which processor to choose. While the idea of the 14th generation with the i7 seems appealing, if the generation difference isn't that crucial, going for the i9 might be more advantageous. I've reviewed the suggestions in the link and don't have many doubts about where to buy, how to buy, or how much I'll spend. I believe this starting point with processor/motherboard/memory will already be quite helpful. Thank you very much for your feedback!
 
Both builds are technically possible and not the worst, but there is a lot of underlying misinformation going by what you said the LLM's say is correct. Here is an actual optimized gaming PC build as an example. What is your budget and country of purchase?

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i7-14700K 3.4 GHz 20-Core Processor ($389.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: ARCTIC Liquid Freezer II 360 A-RGB 48.8 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($132.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: MSI MAG Z790 TOMAHAWK WIFI ATX LGA1700 Motherboard ($255.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: G.Skill Trident Z5 RGB 48 GB (2 x 24 GB) DDR5-6400 CL32 Memory ($159.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Crucial T500 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive ($139.75 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Gigabyte GAMING OC GeForce RTX 4070 Ti SUPER 16 GB Video Card ($849.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Fractal Design Focus 2 RGB ATX Mid Tower Case ($71.84 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Corsair RM850e (2023) 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($119.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $2120.53
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2024-01-26 14:21 EST-0500
 
I plan to purchase either in Brazil or Paraguay. While money is not a constraint, I don't want to spend unnecessarily. I'm not swimming in money, but I can work and save up to buy the components. From what I understood, you agree to opt for the 14th generation, already with some improvements. Thank you very much for the suggestion.
 
MinosAminamo said:
I plan to purchase either in Brazil or Paraguay. While money is not a constraint, I don't want to spend unnecessarily. I'm not swimming in money, but I can work and save up to buy the components. From what I understood, you agree to opt for the 14th generation, already with some improvements. Thank you very much for the suggestion.
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In my opinion, the 13 and 14th generations are the only options from Intel currently unless you get an amazing deal on a 12700k/f or 12900k/f. The 13th and 14th gen CPUs are quite comparable with some minor improvements. If a 13th gen equivalent to a 14th gen CPU is much cheaper then the 14th gen, go with the 13th gen CPU. It is also hard to price components for your region, at least for me. Unless I get a link to a site that you can buy from that has decent deals it may be hard to continue to help with specific parts choices without any context to their relevant pricing.
 
MinosAminamo said:
I'm sorry, did I open the topic incorrectly? Should I create a new one? Why do you think using AI was a mistake? I'm grappling with a significant dilemma regarding which processor to choose. While the idea of the 14th generation with the i7 seems appealing, if the generation difference isn't that crucial, going for the i9 might be more advantageous. I've reviewed the suggestions in the link and don't have many doubts about where to buy, how to buy, or how much I'll spend. I believe this starting point with processor/motherboard/memory will already be quite helpful. Thank you very much for your feedback!
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The "AI is a mistake", because they are basically clueless.

They can tell a good story, with little substance behind it.

The questions in that "How to ask..." link are for those of us out here to assist you getting the best system possible.
Budget, where, use case...all matters.

It makes no sense for us to suggest parts from MicroCenter at $3000, when you are not in the US and your budget is $1500USD.

Hence, that How to ask link.
 
DDR5

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: *Intel Core i7-13700F 2.1 GHz 16-Core Processor ($361.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: *Deepcool AG620 67.88 CFM CPU Cooler ($43.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: *MSI B760 GAMING PLUS WIFI ATX LGA1700 Motherboard ($159.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: *Silicon Power Value Gaming 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory ($84.57 @ Amazon)
Total: $650.54
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
*Lowest price parts chosen from parametric criteria
Generated by PCPartPicker 2024-01-26 15:51 EST-0500

DDR4

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: *Intel Core i7-13700F 2.1 GHz 16-Core Processor ($361.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: *Deepcool AG620 67.88 CFM CPU Cooler ($43.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: *MSI PRO B760-P WIFI DDR4 ATX LGA1700 Motherboard ($159.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: *Kingston FURY Beast 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $635.96
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
*Lowest price parts chosen from parametric criteria
Generated by PCPartPicker 2024-01-26 15:53 EST-0500
 
USAFRet said:
The "AI is a mistake", because they are basically clueless.
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Not true! Suggesting 64GB of DDR4 for a new build today is something no one here would recommend. It takes an AI to come up with that one.

Also, it's worth trying just to see how close an AI can get to a rough sketch of a build. It's a rough sketch, with picks all over the place but an interesting result.

It might be best to decide on what kind of screen you want, MinosAminamo. Then pick a CPU and GPU that can push it. 16 or 32 GB or RAM and a motherboard that is compatible with all the stuff come next. You will need to decide on what kind of SSD you want, and maybe a HDD for lots of storage.

Finally, get a reputable PSU with many years of warranty and enough power for the system.
 
35below0 said:
Not true! Suggesting 64GB of DDR4 for a new build today is something no one here would recommend. It takes an AI to come up with that one.

Also, it's worth trying just to see how close an AI can get to a rough sketch of a build. It's a rough sketch, with picks all over the place but an interesting result.

It might be best to decide on what kind of screen you want, MinosAminamo. Then pick a CPU and GPU that can push it. 16 or 32 GB or RAM and a motherboard that is compatible with all the stuff come next. You will need to decide on what kind of SSD you want, and maybe a HDD for lots of storage.

Finally, get a reputable PSU with many years of warranty and enough power for the system.
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Actually I would recommend 64gb for a high end build, that is intend to be used long term. Buy enough ram that you never have to worry about it for the life of the system. My work system has 128gb for this very reason. My cad based inspection software keeps getting more demanding.
 
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I... uhm, also bought 64Gb :flushed:

But the consensus is that 64 is overkill and 32 is plenty. Even 16 is fine for a middle range system. Mine has an i5 13600k and rtx 4060, so it in no way needs 64, plus i don't do any work with video or similar that needs lots of ram. I just wanted to be damn sure i will not be lacking ram even a decade from now, because that's about how long it takes me to buy a new PC.

So yeah, it is justifiable or even sensible but it's an exception and 16-32 is the norm.

And it's not just the size but also the DDR4 that seemed like a facepalm suggestion. For a new 2024 build, isn't DDR5 more or less a given? Yeah DDR4 latency is lower, but "newer is better!" right?
 
35below0 said:
I... uhm, also bought 64Gb :flushed:

But the consensus is that 64 is overkill and 32 is plenty. Even 16 is fine for a middle range system. Mine has an i5 13600k and rtx 4060, so it in no way needs 64, plus i don't do any work with video or similar that needs lots of ram. I just wanted to be damn sure i will not be lacking ram even a decade from now, because that's about how long it takes me to buy a new PC.

So yeah, it is justifiable or even sensible but it's an exception and 16-32 is the norm.

And it's not just the size but also the DDR4 that seemed like a facepalm suggestion. For a new 2024 build, isn't DDR5 more or less a given? Yeah DDR4 latency is lower, but "newer is better!" right?
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The side discussion here was not about the amount of RAM, or even the type (DDR4 v DDR5).
But rather the total cluelessness of the AI bot things.
 
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I appreciate everyone for the help, sincerely.

I understand all opinions regarding AI. I would never consider its recommendations as absolute truths, just as I wouldn't rely on a single opinion. However, I would like to highlight that AI has become an inevitable technology. It was through AI that I discovered the Tom's Hardware forum, and I'm from Brazil, where I had no knowledge of this forum. It is an excellent forum with incredibly intelligent people.

Regarding the suggestion to have 64GB of RAM, I agree with the idea, especially for a high-performance setup. The central discussion is whether I should or should not enter the latest generation, opting for a 14th generation with DDR5, and if this is really worth it. As many have pointed out, AI provides a technological assessment, but it does not conduct practical tests. I wouldn't be able to say whether these components are being well-received in everyday use or if they are experiencing issues. In this regard, the community is more capable of providing information than any AI. I believe that creativity and human experience are irreplaceable.

To conclude, I thank everyone again for the help. From what I understand, the best configuration would be:

Motherboard: MSI B760 GAMING PLUS WI-FI, DDR5, SOCKET LGA 1700, ATX, CHIPSET INTEL B760, 911-7D98-007
Memory: Kingston Fury Beast for Intel XMP, 32GB (2x16GB), 6000MHz, DDR5, CL40, Black - KF560C40BBK2-32, as SILICON POWER is not available in Brazil
CPU: Intel Core i7-14700K 3.4 GHz 20-Core Processor, it has basically the same price as the i7-13700f, so it's better to go for the 14, right?
Power Supply: Couldn't find Corsair delivery in Brazil, do you think an MSI MAG A850GL PCIE5, ATX 3.0, 850W, 80 PLUS Gold, is sufficient?
Storage: 2x500GB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Raid 0
CPU Cooler: ARCTIC Liquid Freezer II 360 A-RGB 48.8 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler
 
I didn't realize that Raid 0 was not recommended. Can I proceed with the rest? Additionally, can I move forward with the other changes? I made some adjustments to the suggested models to lower the cost or simply due to the unavailability of the brand, such as replacing the MSI MAG B760 TOMAHAWK with the MSI B760 GAMING PLUS, which would result in a difference of about 50 dollars.
I will proceed with only 1TB M.2-2280 PCIe
 
Does the i7 14700 CPU have a difference between K, F, or KF? I don't even know how to overclock, and I don't intend to change the PC's default settings.
 
MinosAminamo said:
Does the i7 14700 CPU have a difference between K, F, or KF?
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K - is for overclocking.
F - is without integrated GPU.

B760 chipset boards do not support cpu overclocking.

BTW - with only 1TB of storage you'll run of available space very fast. Modern games require a lot of space.
100GB, 150GB per game is quite usual. So 5 or 6 larger size games, and there is no more space for you.
 
SkyNetRising said:
K - is for overclocking.
F - is without integrated GPU.

B760 chipset boards do not support cpu overclocking.

BTW - with only 1TB of storage you'll run of available space very fast. Modern games require a lot of space.
100GB, 150GB per game is quite usual. So 5 or 6 larger size games, and there is no more space for you.
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"F - is without integrated GPU" can be a problem?Or from what I understand, can I get the i7 14700F without any problems along with the MSI B760 GAMING PLUS?
 
MinosAminamo said:
"F - is without integrated GPU" can be a problem?Or from what I understand, can I get the i7 14700F without any problems along with the MSI B760 GAMING PLUS?
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An integrated GPU can be useful for troubleshooting.
For instance, if you suspect the dedicated GPU is failing.

In your market, what is the price difference between F and Not-F.
 
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