Seeking Approval Before Build w/ questions

[armedcanadian]

My head hurts and this computer needs to be constructed soon. Here it is:

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Motherboard: P8P67 Deluxe $200

CPU: Intel i5 2500k $230

Video Card: TWO AMD 6850 1GB $175 each/ = $350
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Produ [...] -_-Product

15% HST
PART ONE TOTAL: $900
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$105 RAM: RipJaws 8Gb Dual Channel 1600mHz 1.5V Designed for i5 and P8p67
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] -_-Product

$75 Hard Drive: Samsung 1TB 7200RPM 32MB Cache 3.5"
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Produ [...] pk=samsung spinpoint f3 hd103sj

$110 Operating System: Windows 7 Home Edition 64-Bit
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Produ [...] -_-Product

$150 PSU: Antec True TPQ-850W, CrossFire ready, i5 compatible
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Produ [...] 6817371009

$17 Sony DVD-ROM 5.25"
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Produ [...] 6827131061

$160 Thermaltake Element V Full Tower
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Produ [...] -_-Product

15% HST
PART TWO TOTAL: $710
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PART ONE & TWO COMBINED: Approx $1600 CDN

My question is the p8p67 WILL hold both video cards correct?

Also, is 850W enough power supply for these parts?

Thank you for all your feed back I really appreciate it.

-An Armed Canadian

 

[armedcanadian]

PS this would be for overclock as well

 

[WR2]

Can you find any P67 you can actually buy now?

 

[armedcanadian]

well weren't they recalled with the second gen intel chips? I am assuming they will be put back on the market. if not what are good alternatives

 

[WR2]

"constructed soon"

How soon will you need it?

 

[WR2]

850W is a good size for the 2x 6850s.
I'm having trouble with your links. Can you edit the post and just paste the plain link? No need to use that fancy stuff... just the link and it should work.

 

[WR2]

I believe the CPUs themselves are likely sitting in the stores and piling up in the warehouses. It's only the motherboards that are being re-worked.

 

[armedcanadian]

Working Links

VC: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161348&cm_re=AMD_6850_1GB-_-14-161-348-_-Product

RAM: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231428

Hard Drive: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152238&cm_re=Samsung_1TB_7200RPM-_-22-152-238-_-Product

OS: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116754&cm_re=windows_7-_-32-116-754-_-Product

PS: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371009

DVD: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827131061&Tpk=Sony%20DVD-ROM%205.25%22

case: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811133178&cm_re=element_v-_-11-133-178-_-Product

I am in no particular rush. If I have to wait till April to get the new P68 then thats fine with me.
My only concern is, is this build worth the $1600 CDN? and if not, where should there be changes. Also if anyone has any suggestions for minor improvements please advise.

 

[WR2]

Since it's not my money, I'm not qualified to answer your question.
If you wish to spend less look at the case and PSU choices.

Your HDD choice is out of stock ATM. Chose the less expensive model anyway.
Your PSU is also out of stock.

Antec TruePower New TP-650 650W $100 has enough power and video card power connectors for your system.
CM Haf 922 Case $90

 

[belezeebub]

That Motherboard is 8x8 with two video cards isn't it? its a MHO you will not see full speed out of those cards in an 8x slot. and for pocket change more you could get a X58 and I7

 

[WR2]

Those 8x8 slots are PCI Express ver 2.0, not ver 1.0. He'll be fine.

 

[armedcanadian]

Thanks for your help WR2, but I'm not done with you yet! 😀
I was recommended this case, Antec Nine Hundred Mid Tower, the link is below.

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129021&Tpk=Antec%20Nine%20Hundred%20Mid%20Tower

Is this case good for my parts?

Also, the 6850 says recommended power supply 500. Does that mean 500W for the video card alone, hence, I would need 1000W for two cards? I am rather puzzled by your recommendation for a 650W. I DO* want to overclock this computer, that is why I wanna get the i5 2500k and the P8P67, because the overclock potential is good...right? So wouldn't I need a hefty power supply?

For gaming, if you had $1600CDN, would you buy this computer? Hence, is the dual 6850 a good idea and should I scrap the i5 2500k and P8P67 Deluxe? I know they are on recall, but when they are re-released is it worth getting.

One final question, if you had to work around a $1600 budget, and in respect to the computer I put together, is there any changes you'd make besides the case and power supply?

Thank you!

 

[JackNaylorPE]

For the same price as your case / psu you could accomplish a significant step up w/ a Antec DF-85 / CP-850

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371024
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129087

If ya gonna stick w/ that case, the XFX Black Edition 850 is a far better PSU and it's $109. Only the Antec SG , Antec CP and Corsair HX series compete with the black, all getting a 10.0 performance rating at jonnyguru.com

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817207001

Consider one 570 GTX and then have the room to add a 2nd one come XMas.....the 850 watter is big enuff for twin 570's. Twin 6850s is faster than a singe 570 but leaves no room to grow. If sticking w/ twin 6850's, drop the PSU size down.

 

[armedcanadian]

Thanks Jack,

I really like your recommendations for the case and PSU. What do you think about the P8P67 and i5 2500K? Are they still 'in'. I mean, I want this computer to be overclock a bit (not to max out) and also be able to play games for time to come. I hear mixed things about most i7s. A lot of people believe most are not worth the money when comparing to a i5 2500k overclocked with P8P67 Deluxe.

 

[WR2]

Antec Dark Fleet DF-85 Case Review
XFX 850 W Black Edition Power Supply Review

I like JN's case and PSU recommendations.

 

[WR2]

Also, the 6850 says recommended power supply 500. Does that mean 500W for the video card alone, hence, I would need 1000W for two cards?

The 500W was a recommendation for a whole entire system that also includes the HD 6850.


Here is a chart of some actual power consumption figures for a Core i7-970 / X-58 system with the various video cards with Crossfire and SLI combinations.

 

[armedcanadian]

Hmm I am now thinking about getting a 6950, you made me think about future upgrades and having a slot available. I'll post a new build soon

 

[WR2]

I personally like the single card route.
There are always a few games that don't seem to scale well in Crossfire or SLI.

 

[armedcanadian]

Quick question, if I go for the 6950 (with the possibility of using crossfire with another one later down the road), what processor, ram and motherboard would you recommend. Price range for all three products around 500-600

 

[WR2]

Do I have a choice of trying to carve out $150 somewhere else?

$750
6950 $260
i5 2500k $230
P8P67 Deluxe $200

 

[armedcanadian]

OK, so this is my new build. I want to be able to kick Shogun 2's ass and the next TOTAL war game that comes out.
Please comment on the RAM, Harddrive (maybe even DVD player?). Also WR2, why did you suggest a different tower? I thought element v was rated highly and recommended by Tom's Hardware. The case suggested earlier isn't that much cheaper, so I dunno. I'm not attracted to this case because of it's fancy lights but more so the easy tool-less components, space and ability to organize easily (as well as the amount & positioning of fans).

Most importantly. Does anyone foresee any bottlenecks in this build???

Also, does this set up permit a duel processor? Would I be able to use another 6950 and another i5 2500k later down the road with this build?


$290 ASUS 6950 Radeon 3-Year Warrenty
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121416

Motherboard: P8P67 Deluxe $200

CPU: Intel i5 2500k $230

$830 including tax
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$105 RAM: RipJaws 8Gb Dual Channel 1600mHz 1.5V Designed for i5 and P8p67
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231428&cm_re=%22ripjaws_x%22-_-20-231-428-_-Product

$110 Operating System: Windows 7 Home Edition 64-Bit
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116754&cm_re=windows_7-_-32-116-754-_-Product

$140 Antec CP-850
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371024
$17 Sony DVD-ROM 5.25"
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827131061

$160 Thermaltake Element V Full Tower
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811133178&cm_re=element_v-_-11-133-178-_-Product

$75 Hard Drive: Samsung 1TB 7200RPM 32MB Cache 3.5"
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152185&Tpk=samsung%20spinpoint%20f3%20hd103sj

$17 Sony DVD-ROM 5.25"
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827131061

$700 including tax
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Grand Total: $1530 with tax
Not too bad!

Thanks,

Armd

 

[WR2]

The Element V IS an excellent tower. No doubt about that.
It was just one place where prices could be trimmed a bit for the 'go fast' parts.

 

[WR2]

This 1155 P67 motherboards do not have a 2nd CPU socket.
They do however have an upgrade path to the next gen Ivy Bridge CPUs.

Another 6970 will slide right in there nice and easy.
To be honest I think you might need to get a 2560x1600 monitor to really need to do that.

There will always be a bottleneck - but that isn't necessarily bad. As you fix one bottleneck you're creating a new one somewhere else.
This is a really well balanced build. The disk IO / HDD storage is probably the bottleneck but don't stress about it. You'll have a powerful fast system.

 

[armedcanadian]

For the tower, what do you mean by 'go fast' parts? What kind of features are you referring too?

Also could you expand on this Ivy Bridge CPUs. When are they suppose to come out? I have a feeling this computer is going to get old really fast....

Another question is how important do you think it is to have a slot for a second CPU? Enough to completely change my build? Do you think those kind of options is out of my price range $1600 CDN or so.

Could you also recommend a nice SSD (approx cost $125 or so) to fit this build and replace the harddrive I listed. I won't need to store info on this computer for now, just to have a few games, so maybe SSD is the way to go.

Your monitor comment is interesting. I would most likely be using a 24" or 25" LCD 2ms 1900X1080. I was going to get 6850 intending to use crossfire later on and the single card would keep me going until then. If what you are suggesting is true, that the only real benefit will be on a 2560x1600 monitor, then does the 6850 make sense to purchase in your opinion?

I ask a lot of questions and I want brutally honest answers. I really really appreciate your help WR2, I just don't want to buy something I'll regret.

Thanks.

 

[WR2]

Go fast stuff is CPU/GPU and RAM.
I'll recommend spending less on things like a case if it can get someone a useful upgrade on something that will help the system perform better.