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[citation][nom]cjl[/nom]Except that dimples do not always reduce profile drag.The reason that the dimples work on a golf ball is that turbulent boundary layers are more resistant to flow separation. This means that the flow stays attached to the surface of the ball farther around the back of it, causing it to have a smaller region of stagnant air behind it. Less stagnant air = less drag.With an airfoil or streamlined object, such as a fan blade, a turbulent boundary layer is not beneficial. Although it is still resistant to flow separation, an airfoil or streamlined shape is not prone to flow separation regardless, even with laminar flow. Because flow separation is not a problem, skin friction drag is the majority of the profile drag (rather than pressure drag, as with a sphere). With a turbulent boundary layer, which is what the dimples are meant to induce, the skin friction drag actually increases. There's a reason that airplanes aren't dimpled. In fact, on the Boeing 787 (now in testing), a tremendous amount of effort went towards decreasing the amount of turbulence on the front part of the wings (especially on the engines), maintaining laminar flow as long as possible to reduce drag. (Oh, and induced drag is effectively unchanged)[/citation]

Everything you said makes sense, but if we assume that the dimples on the fan do have beneficial effects (as the mythbusters seem to have proven), then how do the benefits come about? I was wrong to compare a sphere to a streamlined shape, so I agree with your statement that skin friction drag (profile drag) increases. More drag is generally worse, so how then do the dimples give this fan an advantage? It's starting to look like a marketing gimmick to me... can you explain how dimples make it better?
 

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[citation][nom]zorky9[/nom]"93.85 cubic meters of air per hour"55 CFM. typical of 140mm fans at 800rpm. not too impressive. but quiet.[/citation]

93.85 m^3/hr = 55.2 CFM (95.83m^3/hr * 35.3ft^3/1m^3 * 1hr/60M)

Looking around the web (newegg.com and www.performance-pcs.com) for other fans 140mm @ 750 - 1000 RPM ...

NF-P14 FLX: 750 RPM / 41.93 CFM
XCLIO 256 Color Fan: 800 RPM / 31.25 CFM
MASSCOOL SLC-FD14025: 800 RPM / 27.2 CFM
Yate Loon D14SL-12: 1000 RPM / 46.9 CFM
Lian Li CF-1409A: 900 RPM / 60.2 CFM
Aerocool Streamliner: 1000 RPM / 54.7 CFM
Enermax T.B.SILENCE: 750 RPM / 45.4 CFM
Scythe "KAZE MARU 2": 800 RPM / 43.50 CFM

It's only "beaten" by the Lian Li fan and edges out the Areocool. However, both of those are running 20% - 33% faster. I'd say it is impressive.
 
[citation][nom]LMF5000[/nom]Everything you said makes sense, but if we assume that the dimples on the fan do have beneficial effects (as the mythbusters seem to have proven), then how do the benefits come about? I was wrong to compare a sphere to a streamlined shape, so I agree with your statement that skin friction drag (profile drag) increases. More drag is generally worse, so how then do the dimples give this fan an advantage? It's starting to look like a marketing gimmick to me... can you explain how dimples make it better?[/citation]
I have to say, I'm quite tempted to conclude that the dimples make it worse, and are there simply as a marketing gimmick.

Honestly, the best fans that I've seen from an aerodynamic perspective (and from an airflow per noise perspective) are the Noctuas. I have those in my case, and I'm always amazed at how much air they push for their noise. Expensive though.
 

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[citation][nom]cjl[/nom]Except that dimples do not always reduce profile drag.The reason that the dimples work on a golf ball is that turbulent boundary layers are more resistant to flow separation. This means that the flow stays attached to the surface of the ball farther around the back of it, causing it to have a smaller region of stagnant air behind it. Less stagnant air = less drag.With an airfoil or streamlined object, such as a fan blade, a turbulent boundary layer is not beneficial. Although it is still resistant to flow separation, an airfoil or streamlined shape is not prone to flow separation regardless, even with laminar flow. Because flow separation is not a problem, skin friction drag is the majority of the profile drag (rather than pressure drag, as with a sphere). With a turbulent boundary layer, which is what the dimples are meant to induce, the skin friction drag actually increases. There's a reason that airplanes aren't dimpled. In fact, on the Boeing 787 (now in testing), a tremendous amount of effort went towards decreasing the amount of turbulence on the front part of the wings (especially on the engines), maintaining laminar flow as long as possible to reduce drag. (Oh, and induced drag is effectively unchanged)[/citation]


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