[SOLVED] Should I buy another CPU?

[Xusflas]

Hi, so I have a GIGABYTE B85M-D3H, a single channel 8GB 1600mhz, CPU i5 4460, GTX 750 Ti and 600W power supply.
I saw videos that I need to update my RAM to dual channel too.
I'll buy a RX 580/590 or a GTX 1660

I know that my CPU would have a little bottleneck.
Should I buy a new motherboard and another CPU too?

 

[Basto13]

I think you should upgrade the GPU first and see where you lie with the bottleneck if its bad then upgrade from there.

 

[DMAN999]

Your current MB supports up to an i7-4790K which would be a huge boost from your i5-4460.
https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/GA-B85M-D3H-rev-10-11#support-cpu
But it is pretty expensive.
You would probably be better off getting a new Ryzen based MB, RAM and CPU.
That woulkd give you better performance than the i7-4790K and would be much more future proof.

 

[Dark Lord of Tech]

Here's a nice new RYZEN Core:

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 2600 3.4 GHz 6-Core Processor ($164.39 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: MSI - B450M GAMING PLUS Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard ($79.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: G.Skill - Aegis 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($74.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $319.37
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-05-05 11:43 EDT-0400

 

[Karadjgne]

Used 4790k is $150-$200. And no guarantee or Intel replacement warranty. New 4790k is @ $350.

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1600 3.2 GHz 6-Core Processor ($119.89 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: ASRock - B450 Pro4 ATX AM4 Motherboard ($85.81 @ Walmart)
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($145.98 @ Newegg)
Total: $351.68
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-05-05 11:42 EDT-0400

That's Cas14 Samsung B-die ram, the best for 1st gen Ryzen.

You have options. But I like Dark Lord's build too.

 

[rigg42]

Depending on where you are located an r5 1600 might cost nearly half that of a 2600 with only slightly less performance. With a 580/590/1660 the very minor downgrade in performance won't matter. It also comes with a much better cooler. You can usually run a 1600 at 3.7-4 ghz on the stock cooler by changing nothing in the settings but the core multiplier. With proper setup a 1600 might actually outperform the 2600 on stock coolers.

Here is a less expensive B-Die kit:
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/x6rcCJ/gskill-memory-f43200c15d16gvk

These chips might not be as good of a bin though.

Either way Dark Lord's recommendation is solid.

 

[Karadjgne]

Cas14 is B-die. Cas15 can be either B-die or D-die depending on availability and cost. Cas16 is D-die on the RipJaws V and Trident-Z series. Almost identical, but different enough that some ppl had issues with Cas15/16, some ppl didn't and it was only when attempting to get over 2933MHz. There's been enough microcode fixes in recent bios updates that this was mostly fixed, and shouldn't be an issue at all in the 400 series mobo's as they'll contain all previous bios updates.

And yes, Dark Lord's suggestion is solid and has a slightly better cpu. Apart from price the biggest difference is mATX vrs ATX mobo's, mATX can be somewhat limited in fan headers, RGB headers etc but otherwise pretty much identical performance.

 

[rigg42]

It's b die. Look at the timings.

https://community.amd.com/thread/217871

 

[Karadjgne]

G.Skill Trident Z 3000 MHz
CL14 F4-3000C14D-16GTZ
Samsung B-Die
Single Single
-
G.Skill Ripjaws V 3000 MHz
CL14 F4-3000C14D-16GTZ
Samsung B-Die
Single Single
-
G.Skill Trident Z 3200 MHz
CL14 F4-3000C14D-16GTZ
Samsung B-Die
Single Single
-
G.Skill Ripjaws V 3200 MHz
CL14 F4-3200C14D-16GVK
Samsung B-Die
Single Single
-
G.Skill Trident Z 3200 MHz
CL15 F4-3200C15D-16GTZ
Samsung B-Die
Single Single
-
G.Skill Ripjaws V 3200 MHz
CL15 F4-3200C15D-16GVK
Samsung B-Die
Single Single
-
G.Skill Trident Z 3000 MHz
CL15*F4-3000C15D-16GTZ
Samsung D-Die
Dual Double
-
G.Skill Ripjaws V 3000 MHz
CL15 F4-3000C15Q-32GRKB
Samsung D-Die
Dual Double
-
G.Skill Ripjaws V 3200 MHz
CL16*F4-3200C16D-16GVK
Samsung D-Die
Dual Double
-
G.Skill Ripjaws V 3200 MHz
CL16*F4-3200C16D-16GVKB
Samsung D-Die
Dual Double
-
Single Single = Single Rank, Single Side
Dual Double = Dual Rank, Double side
* = can also be populated with SkHynix IC.

CL14 = B-die
CL15 = varied B/D-die
CL16 = D-Die

That AMD link just says use/avoid because at the time SkHynix ram had serious issues with 1st Gen Ryzen. Doesn't say whether the ram is B/D/S dies. Geil EVO also uses B-die, as does Patriot Elite and Corsair Dominators, Team Group uses S-die.

 

[valeman2012]

Used 4790k is $150-$200. And no guarantee or Intel replacement warranty. New 4790k is @ $350.

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1600 3.2 GHz 6-Core Processor ($119.89 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: ASRock - B450 Pro4 ATX AM4 Motherboard ($85.81 @ Walmart)
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($145.98 @ Newegg)
Total: $351.68
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-05-05 11:42 EDT-0400

That's Cas14 Samsung B-die ram, the best for 1st gen Ryzen.

You have options. But I like Dark Lord's build too.

He just wait for Ryzen 3000 regardless...i believe that CPU package is coming out very soon.

 

[rigg42]

G.Skill Trident Z 3000 MHz
CL14 F4-3000C14D-16GTZ
Samsung B-Die
Single Single
-
G.Skill Ripjaws V 3000 MHz
CL14 F4-3000C14D-16GTZ
Samsung B-Die
Single Single
-
G.Skill Trident Z 3200 MHz
CL14 F4-3000C14D-16GTZ
Samsung B-Die
Single Single
-
G.Skill Ripjaws V 3200 MHz
CL14 F4-3200C14D-16GVK
Samsung B-Die
Single Single
-
G.Skill Trident Z 3200 MHz
CL15 F4-3200C15D-16GTZ
Samsung B-Die
Single Single
-
G.Skill Ripjaws V 3200 MHz
CL15 F4-3200C15D-16GVK
Samsung B-Die
Single Single
-
G.Skill Trident Z 3000 MHz
CL15*F4-3000C15D-16GTZ
Samsung D-Die
Dual Double
-
G.Skill Ripjaws V 3000 MHz
CL15 F4-3000C15Q-32GRKB
Samsung D-Die
Dual Double
-
G.Skill Ripjaws V 3200 MHz
CL16*F4-3200C16D-16GVK
Samsung D-Die
Dual Double
-
G.Skill Ripjaws V 3200 MHz
CL16*F4-3200C16D-16GVKB
Samsung D-Die
Dual Double
-
Single Single = Single Rank, Single Side
Dual Double = Dual Rank, Double side
* = can also be populated with SkHynix IC.

CL14 = B-die
CL15 = varied B/D-die
CL16 = D-Die

That AMD link just says use/avoid because at the time SkHynix ram had serious issues with 1st Gen Ryzen. Doesn't say whether the ram is B/D/S dies. Geil EVO also uses B-die, as does Patriot Elite and Corsair Dominators, Team Group uses S-die.

I've not seen the varied B/D-die thing. Where is this info coming from? I'm not saying you are wrong I'm genuinely curious. Do you have a link?

https://www.reddup.co/r/Amd/comments/62vp2g/clearing_up_any_samsung_bdie_confusion_eg_on/dkn2wf8

https://www.pic-upload.de/view-33000611/F4-3200C15D-16GVK.jpg.html

 

[Karadjgne]

A reddit something or other
B-die list
Another Reddit..

There's 3

 

[rigg42]

A reddit something or other
B-die list
Another Reddit..

There's 3

Right so one of your links has the same info as I just linked and says nothing about the 3200 cas 15 kits coming in B/D-die variants. At least in the original post. It shows the kit I linked earlier as b-die as does the linked jdec info.

The closest thing I found in your links was this:

3000 MHz CL15 & 3200 MHz CL16 are special cases because multiple subtiming versions exist (e.g. CL16-16-16-36 & CL16-18-18-38).
Entries marked with * indicate that you may get Samsung or Hynix IC, both variants exist with the same model number.

Doesn't say anything about B/D-die variants. The kit is missing from b-die finder though. I didn't read through the 300+ responses. Am I missing something?

 

[Karadjgne]

Yeah, you are. Your info is based on what someone else has written, not what's between the lines. Look at the kits, all of them. All of the Cas14 3000 are B-die. If you look at the other kits on the other site, and compare Cas 15-16, some are B, some not listed on the B-die list are D.

I've actually read it before, which made me go look myself, but read between the lines. For the RipJaws V, if it's a Cas 16, it's D. If it's a Cas 14 it's B. If it's Cas 15 it's either B or D. If it's not a Hynix M-die.

 

[rigg42]

Yeah, you are. Your info is based on what someone else has written, not what's between the lines. Look at the kits, all of them. All of the Cas14 3000 are B-die. If you look at the other kits on the other site, and compare Cas 15-16, some are B, some not listed on the B-die list are D.

I've actually read it before, which made me go look myself, but read between the lines. For the RipJaws V, if it's a Cas 16, it's D. If it's a Cas 14 it's B. If it's Cas 15 it's either B or D. If it's not a Hynix M-die.

To be clear...are you saying that a kit with the exact same model number can have either b or d die similar to the * hynix/samsung thing?

 

[Karadjgne]

Yes. Many ram vendors do it. I watched a video on a dude showing how to remove a ram heatsink, a couple of Patriot Viper3 kits, he even states they were bought at the same time, exact same model, color, peg hook, everything. Pulled the heatsinks off and 1 kit was Micron IC's, the other was Samsung.

A lot depends on cost. Crucial is the public house brand of Micron, a ram OEM. Yet you can sometimes find Crucial with SkHynix or Samsung IC's because at that particular time it was cheaper for Micron to outsource the IC's than manufacture its own. It had to fulfill certain contracts for ram numbers, but wasn't under contract as to how.

With G-Skill, there's a contract, certain ram from certain OEM and certain die. G-Skill tests their ram in-house on publicly available mobo's for compatability. Keeping the same OEM, die etc is as close to a guarantee of compatability as it gets.

Entries marked with * indicate that you may get Samsung or Hynix IC, both variants exist with the same model number.

That's not the full truth, because part of the model number is also the kit specification and color/RGB. You can have the same model that comes in a 1, 2, 4 stick kit or same model one is black the other red. The only thing changing is the spec. So maybe the Blue C15 sticks are B-die, the Black D-die, or maybe just the single stick kits or 4 stick kits. Dunno there.

 

[rigg42]

Yes. Many ram vendors do it. I watched a video on a dude showing how to remove a ram heatsink, a couple of Patriot Viper3 kits, he even states they were bought at the same time, exact same model, color, peg hook, everything. Pulled the heatsinks off and 1 kit was Micron IC's, the other was Samsung.

A lot depends on cost. Crucial is the public house brand of Micron, a ram OEM. Yet you can sometimes find Crucial with SkHynix or Samsung IC's because at that particular time it was cheaper for Micron to outsource the IC's than manufacture its own. It had to fulfill certain contracts for ram numbers, but wasn't under contract as to how.

With G-Skill, there's a contract, certain ram from certain OEM and certain die. G-Skill tests their ram in-house on publicly available mobo's for compatability. Keeping the same OEM, die etc is as close to a guarantee of compatability as it gets.



That's not the full truth, because part of the model number is also the kit specification and color/RGB. You can have the same model that comes in a 1, 2, 4 stick kit or same model one is black the other red. The only thing changing is the spec. So maybe the Blue C15 sticks are B-die, the Black D-die, or maybe just the single stick kits or 4 stick kits. Dunno there.

Thanks for making me aware of this. I'll stick to recommending 14-14-14-34 3200 or 16-16-16-36 3600 for guaranteed b-die from now on. Are there any other timing/speed combo's (guaranteed to be b-die) on commonly available kits that aren't super expensive?

 

[Karadjgne]

You'd have to check the B-die list against models. But lower timing ram is more commonly more expensive. Some oddities like the blue g-skill are often same price as red/black but lower timing. Guess ppl don't buy much blue ram with black and red the most popular colors.

But afaik, those issues only really plagued 1st gen new release Ryzens, subsequent microcode fixes in bios updates have pretty much solved any issues, so B or S or D makes no difference anymore. You find more in compatability issues with ppl using 1 stick or ppl using wrong slots (AM4 is Really picky with that)

 

[rigg42]

You'd have to check the B-die list against models.

But afaik, those issues only really plagued 1st gen new release Ryzens, subsequent microcode fixes in bios updates have pretty much solved any issues, so B or S or D makes no difference anymore. You find more in compatability issues with ppl using 1 stick or ppl using wrong slots (AM4 is Really picky with that)

I know. I've built a bunch of ryzen systems with all different memory kits without issues. B-die is still the best though and is worth while for optimal performance. It doesn't really seem to matter what speed the b-die kit is if overclocking. I just like to know the cheapest way to buy b-die kits.