Discussion Should I get a different brand of the same GPU?

[ajkamatoy]

I'm currently using the MSI Ventus 2x 3060 Ti and it's pretty loud under load and doesn't overclock well. Despite that, the card performs great for my standards at 1440p. I've heard some other 3060 Ti cards are quieter and overclock better though.

The dilemma here is whether I should do a small upgrade to a low rated 3070 (or an equivalent AMD card -- I'd rather not go for AMD because I like DLSS) or get a top rated 3060 Ti.

 

[Barty1884]

I'm currently using the MSI Ventus 2x 3060 Ti and it's pretty loud under load and doesn't overclock well. Despite that, the card performs great for my standards at 1440p. I've heard some other 3060 Ti cards are quieter and overclock better though.

The dilemma here is whether I should do a small upgrade to a low rated 3070 (or an equivalent AMD card -- I'd rather not go for AMD because I like DLSS) or get a top rated 3060 Ti.

Overclock, manually? Or in terms of boosting?

The 'high end' models are rarely worth it. By the time you spend the 'top rated' XX60/TI money, you're into XX70 territory. Of course, if you're chasing a specific colour scheme etc, you'll only have so many options - but in terms of noise.... an undervolted/downclocked, "low-end" XX70 card will outperform a nominally overclocked/boosted XX60/TI card.

 

[ajkamatoy]

Overclock, manually? Or in terms of boosting?

The 'high end' models are rarely worth it. By the time you spend the 'top rated' XX60/TI money, you're into XX70 territory. Of course, if you're chasing a specific colour scheme etc, you'll only have so many options - but in terms of noise.... an undervolted/downclocked, "low-end" XX70 card will outperform a nominally overclocked/boosted XX60/TI card.

I'm talking about manual overclocking.

Yeah that does make sense because I usually undervolt my gpu anyways, I just don't want to get another ventus model for the 3070.

 

[Phaaze88]

low rated 3070 (or an equivalent AMD card...

Might not change a thing, IF you acquire a card with the same cooler design as the current one.
The noise is related with how close you sit to the PC, the case design, and the gpu cooler's design.

The Ventus 2x is exhausting out the back and towards the front of its body - a design that's only seen among cheaper models(ex: Mech, Dual, Windforce). I don't know why more expensive ones like Gaming X/Strix/Aorus aren't seen with it, but I do know that this doesn't work as well in the majority of cases; that front exhaust fights with front case intake, and that exhaust likely gets pushed/sucked right back in to the gpu cooler. Rinse, repeat.

I speculate that these coolers work better in cases with side panel ventilation, with the front panel sealed.
So, what is the case?

 

[Barty1884]

I'm talking about manual overclocking.

Yeah that does make sense because I usually undervolt my gpu anyways, I just don't want to get another ventus model for the 3070.

Given all the temp/voltage checks and balances in place, most cards will have minimum headroom for OCing anyway - maybe an extra 'bin' or two. Definitely not worth purchasing a pricey xx60/TI model over a xx70 card for such a thing.

Entry-level, true MSRSP (or close enough) cards are always going to be limited. Very thin margins in GPUs - ASUS make much more selling you a (example) $500 Strix card over a $425 Dual model etc. While you might not 'want' a Ventus - your options at the pricepoint are likely not going to be much more than Ventus vs Dual (ASUS). Gigabyte Eagle, Zotac ...Gaming? and a couple others might be 'not a lot' more... but almost certainly more than the cheapest of the cheap.

 

[ajkamatoy]

Might not change a thing, IF you acquire a card with the same cooler design as the current one.
The noise is related with how close you sit to the PC, the case design, and the gpu cooler's design.

The Ventus 2x is exhausting out the back and towards the front of its body - a design that's only seen among cheaper models(ex: Mech, Dual, Windforce). I don't know why more expensive ones like Gaming X/Strix/Aorus aren't seen with it, but I do know that this doesn't work as well in the majority of cases; that front exhaust fights with front case intake, and that exhaust likely gets pushed/sucked right back in to the gpu cooler. Rinse, repeat.

I speculate that these coolers work better in cases with side panel ventilation, with the front panel sealed.
So, what is the case?

I have the Jonsbo D31 Mesh (3 intake bottom 120mm, 1 intake front 120mm, 1 rear exhaust 120mm, and a 280mm AIO exhaust). I put all the possible fans you can in the case basically. There's also no side panel ventilation.

 

[Phaaze88]

Jonsbo D31 Mesh (3 intake bottom 120mm, 1 intake front 120mm, 1 rear exhaust 120mm, and a 280mm AIO exhaust).
I put all the possible fans you can in the case basically.

Depending on the case and chosen hardware(cpu cooler, case fans, gpu cooler), this could do more harm than good, or have diminishing returns, but it doesn't stop lots of folks from doing it, I guess.


IF I were in your shoes, I'd start running experiments to see if an alternative exists with the current hardware...
-The cooler exhausts half its exhaust towards the front. I should run some tests with that front case fan removed, and some more with it flipped to exhaust.
-Many cases that do have bottom fan options are typically too close to the surface that the case(the 'feet' are too short) is placed on and the fans don't actually bring in that much air because of it. I should run some tests elevating the case feet(2x4s or other), so there's more breathing room directly beneath the case.
-Combine the previous tests - elevate the case feet and front case fan removed/reversed.