Question Should I stick with the 7800 XT or get the 4070 ?

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Should I stick with the Powercolor Hellhound 7800 XT that I've got right now or should I return it and get the Gigabyte 4070? Both are the same price on amazon for me and I can still return my 7800 XT as I've only had it for a few days. I got the 7800 XT for more vram so I could hold onto the card for a long time but Idk if I made the right choice?
 
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What do you tax your GPU with? If it's games, please include them.

You might find it worthwhile if you passed your full system's specs like so:
CPU:
CPU cooler:
Motherboard:
Ram:
SSD/HDD:
GPU:
PSU:
Chassis:
OS:
Monitor:
include the age of the PSU apart from it's make and model. BIOS version for your motherboard at this moment of time.
 
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I’ve got the 6800xt which is pretty close to your 7800xt and I’m happy with it for the money. If you go to the 4070 you’d probably want to try to get the 4070 super. The support would probably be slightly faster than what you’ve got but on the other hand one thing to consider, the 6800xt is a 3 year old card now and still runs with the 4070. If say in 3 years the 7800xt is close to a 5070 or 6070 for example it will look like a good deal.

Big thing is nvidia has more features as far as ray tracing and dlss but amd is starting to catch up. Consider also nvidias 30 series cards how nvidia linked them to dlss 2.0 but wouldn’t let them use dlss 3.0. Whereas amd with fsr 3 is allowing those older nvidia cards to use fsr 3 which competes with dlss 3. Granted amd is still working some things out but imagine if Todd bought a card like an rtx 3090 to be told there were some features that you were locked out of, but then the competing company is letting you use their version of the same tech.

Totally your call but the 7800xt seems to have more physical hardware vs the 4070. Which one reason when I bought a card a few weeks ago and got my 6800xt on sale, was it had a little more hardware than the 7800xt but not always as fast. Like the reviewer said though the extra cores etc it had let it brute force its way through in some scenarios. It could be that’s the case later with the 7800xt. The cards are pretty close so your call imo.

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Found this article from about September. Some of the things may have changed a bit since drivers on both sides have likely matured a bit.

www.techspot.com

GeForce RTX 4070 vs. Radeon RX 7800 XT

In this 45 game benchmark shootout we put the $600 GeForce RTX 4070 and the $500 Radeon RX 7800 XT head-to-head to see which comes up as the ultimate mid-range GPU winner.
www.techspot.com www.techspot.com
 
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I would stick with the RX 7800 XT because I would much rather have sixteen gigabytes of VRAM instead of only twelve and the RX 7800 XT is 7% faster than the RTX 4070.

Of course, it also completely depends on the games that you play and whether or not you're an RT nut. I personally don't think that any card not called the RTX 4090 is potent enough to use RT as a regular feature instead of just a quick demo before turning it off. I would say that it will take another three generations of video cards before they can properly use RT without struggling.
 
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i was in the same boat last month. dilemma between a 4070 and 7800xt.

benefits of the 4070 is DLSS and powerconsumption but you can tame the 7800xt to limit it's power consumption to an extent that you don't go beyond what's reasonable like framelimiters.

i went with the 7800xt because the hardware unboxed comparison between the 3070 and 6800 relied mostly on how RAM became such a handicap for the 3070 in the long run. i'm thinking it would be the same case for the 4070 and the 7800.
 
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Lutfij said:
What do you tax your GPU with? If it's games, please include them.

You might find it worthwhile if you passed your full system's specs like so:
CPU:
CPU cooler:
Motherboard:
Ram:
SSD/HDD:
GPU:
PSU:
Chassis:
OS:
Monitor:
include the age of the PSU apart from it's make and model. BIOS version for your motherboard at this moment of time.
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CPU: 7800x3d
CPU cooler: Thermalright phantom spirt 120 se
Motherboard: asrock b650e pg riptide wifi
Ram: g skill trident z5 neo cl30 6000 expo
SSD/HDD: wd sn850x 2 tb and sk hynix platinum p41 1 tb
GPU: 7800xt
PSU: corsair 850x
Chassis: lian li lancool 216
OS: windows
Monitor: msi g274qpx g sync compatible but running adaptive sync

the age of the psu I have been using for a week and the bios version is the latest at 2.02
 
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ohio_buckeye said:
It may be. I think it’s going to start around 799 though so definitely up to the op what to spend.

12gb of vram may be enough today but you might find yourself turning textures lower sooner in its life.
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how long do you think will 12 gb of vram be good years from now without being limited?
 
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Avro Arrow said:
I would stick with the RX 7800 XT because I would much rather have sixteen gigabytes of VRAM instead of only twelve and the RX 7800 XT is 7% faster than the RTX 4070.

Of course, it also completely depends on the games that you play and whether or not you're an RT nut. I personally don't think that any card not called the RTX 4090 is potent enough to use RT as a regular feature instead of just a quick demo before turning it off. I would say that it will take another three generations of video cards before they can properly use RT without struggling.
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how long would 12 gb of vram last before it starts being limited? I was just wondering if I should get nvidia 4070 or the super version because I do some modeling in fusion for hs and I want to go into engineering in the future so I was wondering if nvidia's features would benefit me?
 
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wh3resmycar said:
i was on the same boat last month. dilemma between a 4070 and 7800xt.

benefits of the 4070 is DLSS and powerconsumption but you can tame the 7800xt to limit it's power consumption to an extent that you don't go beyond what's reasonable like framelimiters.

i went with the 7800xt because the hardware unboxed comparison between the 3070 and 6800 relied mostly on how RAM became such a handicap for the 3070 in the long run. i'm thinking it would be the same case for the 4070 and the 7800.
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I do gaming and some modling in fusion 360 in hs rn and I want to go into engineering in college would I benefit from nvidia's features or am I fine with the 7800xt?
 
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Some games can go over 12gb of vram now (Diablo 4 used 18gb VRAM a few months ago but it has a memory leak) so its not a place I would want to be in. 16gb is a little safer... really depends on what screen resolution you use.

I would stick with the 7800xt, I was originally going to get one but they didn't release it soon enough... so i got a Powercolor red devil 7900XT instead.

Userbenchmark: nothing wrong there.
 
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ydoc said:
i've never used userbenchmark so i just dowloaded it right now and did a test heres the results: https://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/66964977
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Oh jeez, don't look at LoserBenchmark! That site is so inaccurate and biased that it has been banned from two PC hardware subreddits and warnings are issued on a third!

UserBenchmark has been banned from /r/hardware, /r/intel, and now gives warnings on /r/amd due to their shady practices regarding hardware benchmarking

Gizmosphere did an article called Why We All Need To Stop Using UserBenchmark that you should read.

Do yourself a favour and don't ever use them for anything.
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how long would 12 gb of vram last before it starts being limited?
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There's no way to know how long 12GB of VRAM will last but TechPowerUp managed to use 15GB all 12GB in Hogwarts Legacy with RT on and 12GB with RT off last February (just under a year ago):
"In terms of VRAM usage, Hogwarts Legacy set a new record, we measured 15 GB VRAM allocated at 4K with RT, 12 GB at 4K with RT disabled. While these numbers seem shockingly high, you have to put them in perspective. Due to the high performance requirements you'll definitely not be gaming with a sub-16 GB card at 4K."
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I was just wondering if I should get nvidia 4070 or the super version because I do some modeling in fusion for hs and I want to go into engineering in the future so I was wondering if nvidia's features would benefit me?
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I don't know anything about that. I'm a high-end gamer and so I can only offer you solid advice for gaming. I have no idea what would be used for engineering but I would have to assume that VRAM would become even more critical in that situation. For gaming, I believe that choosing an RTX 4070 or RTX 4070 Super over the RX 7800 XT would be a mistake. For engineering, well, you'd have to do your own research because different programs make use of different things. It's possible that nVidia will be better but it's also possible that the difference wouldn't be noticeable. The primary advantage that nVidia has in professional applications (to my knowledge) is in Blender which is graphics rendering, not engineering.

For engineering work, you'd want as much VRAM as possible so you might want to look at something like an RTX 4090 or RX 7900 XTX because they each have 24GB of VRAM. It's very possible that for engineering work, even 16GB would be a serious hindrance.
 
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Colif said:
Some games can go over 12gb of vram now (Diablo 4 used 18gb VRAM a few months ago but it has a memory leak) so its not a place I would want to be in. 16gb is a little safer... really depends on what screen resolution you use.

I would stick with the 7800xt, I was originally going to get one but they didn't release it soon enough... so i got a Powercolor red devil 7900XT instead.

Userbenchmark: nothing wrong there.
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also some games i play are valorant, overwatch, apex, and cod. I plan to get gta 6 in the future when it comes out and I also do some stuff in fusion 360 for modeling in high school and I plan to do engineering in college.
 
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Most of those games don't need massive amounts. GTA 6 system specs? no vram is mentioned in its speculated requirements yet, all it says is 4080 or 7900XTX recommended. That is a minimum of 16gb still. Not that hard... for a 7800xt.

Why sell something you only just bought? It doesn't sound like value for money.
 
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One thing to consider is that if you remember the 3070 and the 6800xt. The 6800xt even at 3 years old is still competitive and sometimes still beats the 7800xt and rtx 4070. Whereas who even hears about the 3070? And that’s my point, yes the 3070 only had 8gb of vram, but still does ok, however doesn’t seem to be in the ballpark of the other 3 cards. With the 4070, one wonders in 3-4 years if it will be in the same boat as the 3070 is now.
 
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RTX 4070 is better overall if you're mostly playing AAA ray tracing titles. If you're exclusively playing titles that don't use ray tracing, the 7800 XT would be better. Same dichotomy as last gen, Nvidia for AAA ray tracing, Radeon for overall rasterization.
 
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