Silent Image and mirror questions

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Is it possible to create the illusion
of a mirror with this spell?

Can I look around a corner with such an
illusionary mirror?

Would a gaze attack be reflected in it?

If a vampire used the disguise skill to
pose as a human (with thick make-up etc),
would his reflection show in a mirror?

And in an illusionary one?


Quite ronesque questions aren't they?

LL

 

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Lorenz.Lang@gmx.de wrote:
> Is it possible to create the illusion of a mirror with this spell?

You can do shiny metal things, so you can do mirrors.

> Can I look around a corner with such an illusionary mirror?

You'll only see in it what you expect to see, the illusion doesn't
provide sensory input, it just looks like what you think it should look.

> Would a gaze attack be reflected in it?

No, which would be a good clue to such creatures that it's not real.

> If a vampire used the disguise skill to pose as a human (with thick
> make-up etc), would his reflection show in a mirror?

By the core rules, no. He's still a Vampire, so no mirrors. A DM
might allow it, depending on why the he thinks vampires don't show in
mirrors, and how thoughouly the disguise covers everything.

> And in an illusionary one?

His reflection would always show in an illusion of a mirror, if the
person controlling the illusion wanted it to. It's a handy way for
vampires to prove that they're not, or to make someone look like a
vampire who isn't.
Such weirdness should allow a disbelief save.

> Quite ronesque questions aren't they?

Yes. I'm seeing invisible doors everywhere.

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tussock

Aspie at work, sorry in advance.

 

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tussock wrote:
> Lorenz.Lang@gmx.de wrote:
> > Is it possible to create the illusion of a mirror with this spell?
>
> You can do shiny metal things, so you can do mirrors.
>
> > Can I look around a corner with such an illusionary mirror?
>
> You'll only see in it what you expect to see, the illusion doesn't
> provide sensory input, it just looks like what you think it should look.
>

I don't think this is right: Figments don't affect your mind and
produce subjective results (though there's some scope for claiming a
figment would have to in order to reproduce a mirror, as a mirror
"looks" different from different people's points of view. But then so
does a chicken). If the rogue steals the wizards hat without the wizard
noticing and the wizard looks in an illusionary mirror, they should see
their hat has gone, the same as anybody standing next to him. If he
touches the "mirror" or makes his Will save he should see an unreal
transparent mirror with a dim image of his hatless head on it.

> > Would a gaze attack be reflected in it?
>
> No, which would be a good clue to such creatures that it's not real.
>

Say what now? Gaze attacks never work via reflections (or via
illusions!) so why would the lack of a gaze effect in illusionary
reflection be a clue that it was an illusion?

 

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ringofw@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> tussock wrote:
> > Lorenz.Lang@gmx.de wrote:
> >
> > > Can I look around a corner with such an illusionary mirror?
> >
> > You'll only see in it what you expect to see, the illusion doesn't
> > provide sensory input, it just looks like what you think it should look.
>
> I don't think this is right: Figments don't affect your mind and
> produce subjective results

I don't think you understood him correctly. I believe
he's assuming "you" are the creator of the illusion;
thus, the illusion looks however *you* (its creator)
think it should look.

In other words, you're quite correct: figments don't
read the viewer's mind and then mimic what they find in
there.

-Bluto

 

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ringofw@hotmail.com wrote:
> tussock wrote:
>>Lorenz.Lang@gmx.de wrote:

<snip: see what Senator Blutarsky said>

>>>Would a gaze attack be reflected in it?
>>
>> No, which would be a good clue to such creatures that it's not real.
>
> Say what now? Gaze attacks never work via reflections (or via
> illusions!) so why would the lack of a gaze effect in illusionary
> reflection be a clue that it was an illusion?

OK, so it was a trick question. OK? LL got me to remember the
original legend instead of the game rule. 8]

Hmm, are there any gaze attacks in 3.5 that break that rule?

--
tussock

Aspie at work, sorry in advance.

 

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tussock wrote:
> Lorenz.Lang@gmx.de wrote:
>
>> Is it possible to create the illusion of a mirror with this spell?
>
>
> You can do shiny metal things, so you can do mirrors.
>
>> Can I look around a corner with such an illusionary mirror?
>
>
> You'll only see in it what you expect to see, the illusion doesn't
> provide sensory input, it just looks like what you think it should look.
>
>> Would a gaze attack be reflected in it?
>
>
> No, which would be a good clue to such creatures that it's not real.
>
>> If a vampire used the disguise skill to pose as a human (with thick
>> make-up etc), would his reflection show in a mirror?
>
>
> By the core rules, no. He's still a Vampire, so no mirrors. A DM
> might allow it, depending on why the he thinks vampires don't show in
> mirrors, and how thoughouly the disguise covers everything.
>
>> And in an illusionary one?
>
>
> His reflection would always show in an illusion of a mirror, if the
> person controlling the illusion wanted it to. It's a handy way for
> vampires to prove that they're not, or to make someone look like a
> vampire who isn't.
> Such weirdness should allow a disbelief save.
>
>> Quite ronesque questions aren't they?
>
>
> Yes. I'm seeing invisible doors everywhere.
>
Hey, there's an idea. Put a Glyph of Warding (triggered by touch) on a door
and turn the door invisible, so the party sees what looks like an open
doorless
doorway. They try to walk through, bump into the invisible door and have a
blast go off in their face, making them think it's some kind of weird
energy
force field on the door. Spell-storing glyphs have even more potential
for wreaking
havoc...