Skylake: Intel's Core i7-6700K And i5-6600K

[jimmysmitty]

What intel needs to do is at every die shrink (ex. IB, Broadwell) they need to just design the CPU the same way that the previous generation was, except shrink the transistors. If they did that, then Broadwell's design would be exactly the same as Haswell's, just at a smaller process node. That would allow for higher clock rates and lower temps.

I'm just wondering if this would work. Am I just dumb, or is this actually a viable idea?

It normally is the same but has some tweaks to the design to help foster that. SOmetimes they can get the same clocks at lower temps/power draw or higher. Penryn was a good example of higher clocks on a smaller process but some tweaks to the design. Of course that was a two fold change. Not only was it a smaller node (65nm -> 45nm) it also employed a new material design for the transistors (HighK/Metal Gate) that allowed it to drop power consumption while increasing transistor switching speed.

The last one that did that was IB which was 32nm -> 22nm with 3D transistors.

 

[tsnor]

I just installed the i5 6600k into an Asus hero 8 motherboard with a kraken x61 for cooling. 16 gb of ram EVGA 980ti card. I installed the kraken incorrectly at first and then reseated it after removing it. Did not clean off or add new paste. My cpu idles at around 40c and pops up to 75c during benchmarking. Based on this article it seems it should be much lower. My question is: Will properly reseating it after cleaning and applying new thermal paste fix this issue?

I would definitely try cleaning off of the old paste and applying a bit of new thermal paste. 40C for a massive water cooler at idle says you are not transferring heat to the cold plate correctly (or your room ambient temp is really high).

I use coffee filters and rubbing alcohol to clean off paste and artic silver for new paste. I also follow the 'tint' procedure from the artic silver web site instructions. GL.

 

[royalcrown]

I disagree about the WHY people are negative. You are right that some people will always be crabby, also that Intel is the best overall CPU. There just isn't a compelling reason for the average user (including average computer ENTHUSIAST) to upgrade. Sure, if you need it because of a specialized software application and that little bit of difference adds up over the long run, then go for it. If you want to own it for the platform as a whole or just to have the "latest", that's also valid. However these days, 100 MHZ and another 2 FPS isn't worth it when the AVERAGE system can play everything, is so fast that it idles most of the time anyhow. Not for all the money it costs to get increases in the low to mid single digits. All this hype for such lackluster increases is the real reason for the apathy IMO. Just my 2 cents

I've been a computer junkie since my Atari 7800 and was born in 1970, so I've seen firsthand how stuff has really stagnated the last decade (as far as CPU performance goes). I realize it's physics, but also lack of competition kills off what is left after that.

I don't understand the negativity. It's brand new. Even the mobos and memory will be fresh and new. I honestly think that Intel still has a sucker-punch waiting to be revealed depending on what Zen is capable of. Why bring out your very best when mediocre is enough to beat your closest competitor, after all? It's far more lucrative to keep providing small incremental updates and charge a premium for every iteration than it is to say wham-bam and provide the masses with your very best effort and then have to charge a massive premium for it. I say be happy, every new bit of tech comes with advantages. I AM disappointed about the IGP though. These days I find myself playing MOBA games that don't require a lot of muscle - I'd love it if I could get a brilliant CPU and more than adequate IGP without having to shell out more money for a discrete GPU. I hope they do release something more top tier in both areas on the same CPU - I'll definitely purchase something like that.

Because, some people always have to be negative about something. I personally am running an i7-5960X Haswell-E and I love my processor. Get the best forget the rest, and all of the the negativity too, y'all can hold onto that as well.

 

[Jim_2]

Seriously, who's going to buy the latest enthusiast Intel CPU, main board, ram, pci-e ssd, and run integrated graphics? Stop complaining about integrated graphics performance.

 

[bystander]

I disagree about the WHY people are negative. You are right that some people will always be crabby, also that Intel is the best overall CPU. There just isn't a compelling reason for the average user (including average computer ENTHUSIAST) to upgrade. Sure, if you need it because of a specialized software application and that little bit of difference adds up over the long run, then go for it. If you want to own it for the platform as a whole or just to have the "latest", that's also valid. However these days, 100 MHZ and another 2 FPS isn't worth it when the AVERAGE system can play everything, is so fast that it idles most of the time anyhow. Not for all the money it costs to get increases in the low to mid single digits. All this hype for such lackluster increases is the real reason for the apathy IMO. Just my 2 cents

I've been a computer junkie since my Atari 7800 and was born in 1970, so I've seen firsthand how stuff has really stagnated the last decade (as far as CPU performance goes). I realize it's physics, but also lack of competition kills off what is left after that.

I don't understand the negativity. It's brand new. Even the mobos and memory will be fresh and new. I honestly think that Intel still has a sucker-punch waiting to be revealed depending on what Zen is capable of. Why bring out your very best when mediocre is enough to beat your closest competitor, after all? It's far more lucrative to keep providing small incremental updates and charge a premium for every iteration than it is to say wham-bam and provide the masses with your very best effort and then have to charge a massive premium for it. I say be happy, every new bit of tech comes with advantages. I AM disappointed about the IGP though. These days I find myself playing MOBA games that don't require a lot of muscle - I'd love it if I could get a brilliant CPU and more than adequate IGP without having to shell out more money for a discrete GPU. I hope they do release something more top tier in both areas on the same CPU - I'll definitely purchase something like that.

Because, some people always have to be negative about something. I personally am running an i7-5960X Haswell-E and I love my processor. Get the best forget the rest, and all of the the negativity too, y'all can hold onto that as well.

Who upgrades every time Intel comes out with a new design? Who buys a new car every time a model is updated?

People should realize by now that any new model that comes out is not going to blow the doors off the previous model. You upgrade when your current system is struggling.

 

[InvalidError]

You upgrade when your current system is struggling.

Assuming there is a new model worth upgrading to, which is often not the case with CPUs where current models are only 30-40% faster than their nearest equivalents from 4-5 years ago.

 

[bystander]

You upgrade when your current system is struggling.

Assuming there is a new model worth upgrading to, which is often not the case with CPUs where current models are only 30-40% faster than their nearest equivalents from 4-5 years ago.

If you aren't gaining 30-40%, your system isn't likely struggling, unless playing a game that is just horribly designed.

 

[InvalidError]

If you aren't gaining 30-40%, your system isn't likely struggling, unless playing a game that is just horribly designed.

Look at it the other way: if your system is struggling, 30-40% more performance from upgrading to the current equivalent of whatever you had likely won't make it feel a whole lot better.

This is one of the reasons why I do not bother with overclocking: by the time I might wish for the extra performance, the 20-30% performance gain from overclocking or upgrading to a higher-end CPU on the same socket wouldn't be anywhere near enough to make me happy again.

 

[peterf28]

I just overclocked my i5 2500k to 4.6GHz . Should be good for another 5 years or so .

 

[clonazepam]

I just overclocked my i5 2500k to 4.6GHz . Should be good for another 5 years or so .

I bet its the motherboard features that eventually compel you to trade up. That's what I'm expecting.

 

[jimmysmitty]

I just overclocked my i5 2500k to 4.6GHz . Should be good for another 5 years or so .

5 years I doubt. A lot of things are in the pipeline to be coming out that will push well beyond what the Sandy Bridge CPUs can do.

 

[Blueberries]

I just overclocked my i5 2500k to 4.6GHz . Should be good for another 5 years or so .

Or you could have a 4790k at stock clock rates with better performance and a lower TDP...

You upgrade when your current system is struggling.

Assuming there is a new model worth upgrading to, which is often not the case with CPUs where current models are only 30-40% faster than their nearest equivalents from 4-5 years ago.

30-40% is a huge bump for a CPU. Imagine if the clock-rate went up 40% instead. 3.0GHz would become 4.2Ghz.

Except it's even better than that because now that 3.0Ghz CPU is faster than your 4.2GHz CPU, has bonus features, low power states, a smaller TDP, can be cooled passively, etc.

 

[InvalidError]

I just overclocked my i5 2500k to 4.6GHz . Should be good for another 5 years or so .

5 years I doubt. A lot of things are in the pipeline to be coming out that will push well beyond what the Sandy Bridge CPUs can do.

From the very modest progress over the past five years, that seems highly optimistic. We might see hex cores trickling down to mainstream i5 status five years from now, maybe another 25% combined clock+IPC gain and mainstream software still mostly single-threaded.

 

[Blueberries]

I just overclocked my i5 2500k to 4.6GHz . Should be good for another 5 years or so .

5 years I doubt. A lot of things are in the pipeline to be coming out that will push well beyond what the Sandy Bridge CPUs can do.

From the very modest progress over the past five years, that seems highly optimistic. We might see hex cores trickling down to mainstream i5 status five years from now, maybe another 25% combined clock+IPC gain and mainstream software still mostly single-threaded.

TurboBoost 2.0(3.0)? We're going to see much stronger single / dual thread turbos for consumers. There's no reason we couldn't have an i3 that boosts up to 4.4GHz on a single thread today and I think that's coming soon.

2C/4T produces a lot less heat than 4C/4T or 4C/8T so theoretically an i3 should be capable of higher clockrates than their i7 counterparts, and I'm sure the only reason Intel doesn't do this is because they wouldn't be able to sell i5s.

Respectfully I think they need to cut out the i5 completely and simplify their design process. There should be two processor tiers, desktop(i3) and performance (i7) with 95w/65w/35w or K/S/T versions of each, the 95w 2C/4T would have competitive or better clock-rates than the 4C/8T and would be the clear winner for productivity users. The i5 just fills a niche right now for video-gamers and people trying to save money. If they cut down to 6 CPUs I think they'd make more money or market them better than they do now.

 

[jimmysmitty]

I just overclocked my i5 2500k to 4.6GHz . Should be good for another 5 years or so .

5 years I doubt. A lot of things are in the pipeline to be coming out that will push well beyond what the Sandy Bridge CPUs can do.

From the very modest progress over the past five years, that seems highly optimistic. We might see hex cores trickling down to mainstream i5 status five years from now, maybe another 25% combined clock+IPC gain and mainstream software still mostly single-threaded.

I don't mean on the CPU side but the other side of things. Sandy Bridge only supports PCIe 2.1 which isn't now but in a few years could become a bottleneck. We have 3D NAND and HMC etc. While I always enjoy faster CPUs sometimes it is what is going on around the CPU that warrants an upgrade.

 

[DoMMike]

i like the pricing for the chips which is basically the same as current 5th gen i5/i7. too bad the new mobo and ddr4 ram will drive the total cost way skyward in the beginning. can't wait for those prices to drop and match current ddr3 and z97 mobo's. then we're talking a bit better.

and why the hate on the igp? the AMD apu's have had a solid igp for a long time now yet all they get is hate since "no gamer uses an igp anyway" so now intel gets the igp hate as if folks will use it? so gamer will use the intel igp but not the amd one? come on folks can we at least be marginally consistent with the hate?? do gamers/enthusiasts care about igp or not?

i'm more confused than a hungry baby in a strip club!!

I'm a big time gamer, I use the IGPU for streaming to Twitch and YouTube....