skylake worth it?

[MrSwag]

Hi
i want to build new gaming pc but cant deside if its worth to buy "new" skylake cpu and get the all new hardware of LGA1151 or stay with haswell that is cheaper and have about the same preformence of the skylake but risking of "faster" outdated by the new cpu that will release half year from now and obviously new socket??

 

[Darkseiders]

If you can afford the small premium for skylake, I would get it, seeing as the 7th gen chips will use the 1151 socket and be compatible with the z170 chipset.

 

[MrSwag]

Thanks for the advice , i think ill go with the i7 6700k cuz its still looks funny to me that i can save 250$ just by buying in US.

 

[port27]

Intel didn't even need to release Skylake and the increase in performance again is marginal as it has been since Sandy Bridge. Personally I would go with Haswell but that's because I would rather have the extra money to spend on the other components that will actually make the difference in a gaming PC like the graphics card.

 

[port27]

Thanks for the advice , i think ill go with the i7 6700k cuz its still looks funny to me that i can save 250$ just by buying in US.

i7-6700K for a gaming PC is too much. The i7-2700K still can't be fully utilized for gaming and the 6700K will be no different.

 

[Darkseiders]

Here are my recommendations: Intel i5-6600k and 16gb of DDR4 RAM. The main reason to buy skylake is that you have an upgrade path. The 7th gen Intel CPUs will use: DDR4 memory, The LGA1151 Socket, and be compatible with the Z170 chipset. Basically, the 7th gen chips are drop-in compatible with skylake. To upgrade to 7th gen from haswell you will need: A new mobo. New RAM. A new CPU. You only need a new CPU if you buy into skylake.

 

[MrSwag]

Thanks for the advice , i think ill go with the i7 6700k cuz its still looks funny to me that i can save 250$ just by buying in US.

i7-6700K for a gaming PC is too much. The i7-2700K still can't be fully utilized for gaming and the 6700K will be no different.

You right, as my previsous build its better to stick with the i5 becuase of better money/ preformence ratio than the i7.

 

[port27]

Here are my recommendations: Intel i5-6600k and 16gb of DDR4 RAM. The main reason to buy skylake is that you have an upgrade path. The 7th gen Intel CPUs will use: DDR4 memory, The LGA1151 Socket, and be compatible with the Z170 chipset. Basically, the 7th gen chips are drop-in compatible with skylake. To upgrade to 7th gen from haswell you will need: A new mobo. New RAM. A new CPU. You only need a new CPU if you buy into skylake.

I hate when people use "upgrade path" as an excuse. People hardly ever use the upgrade path to buy new hardware. By the time your CPU becomes irrelevant their is already a new socket. Don't make that the defining reason for buying into a socket. You can buy Haswell and it will last you at least another 4-5 years easy. How many sockets you think will be available by then? I put "upgrade path" in the same category as "future proof".

 

[RobCrezz]

Here are my recommendations: Intel i5-6600k and 16gb of DDR4 RAM. The main reason to buy skylake is that you have an upgrade path. The 7th gen Intel CPUs will use: DDR4 memory, The LGA1151 Socket, and be compatible with the Z170 chipset. Basically, the 7th gen chips are drop-in compatible with skylake. To upgrade to 7th gen from haswell you will need: A new mobo. New RAM. A new CPU. You only need a new CPU if you buy into skylake.

I hate when people use "upgrade path" as an excuse. People hardly ever use the upgrade path to buy new hardware. By the time your CPU becomes irrelevant their is already a new socket. Don't make that the defining reason for buying into a socket. You can buy Haswell and it will last you at least another 4-5 years easy. How many sockets you think will be available by then? I put "upgrade path" in the same category as "future proof".

This is a good point. The only time its worth upgrading the cpu on the same platform is if you end up going for a pentium/i3 and get a i5/i7 later.

 

[port27]

Thanks for the advice , i think ill go with the i7 6700k cuz its still looks funny to me that i can save 250$ just by buying in US.

i7-6700K for a gaming PC is too much. The i7-2700K still can't be fully utilized for gaming and the 6700K will be no different.

You right, as my previsous build its better to stick with the i5 becuase of better money/ preformence ratio than the i7.

If you are on Sandy Bridge then by all mean wait. Trust me the performance increase isn't worth the money. If anything maybe invest into another GPU and that's it. Now if you just feel compelled to upgrade to something newer than that's another story.

 

[Darkseiders]

The defining reason(s) for me for buying into a new socket is that I get faster RAM, better compatibility and the latest features. Also, it stands to reason that a newer socket is more future proof. Eventually the performance gap will widen as the technology on the haswell chips gets older.

 

[RobCrezz]

The defining reason(s) for me for buying into a new socket is that I get faster RAM, better compatibility and the latest features. Also, it stands to reason that a newer socket is more future proof. Eventually the performance gap will widen as the technology on the haswell chips gets older.

How will the performance gap widen as the chips get older?

The performance gap between Ivybridge and sandybridge hasn't changed since release..

 

[Darkseiders]

It isn't the same platform. "Drop in compatible" doesn't mean that it's from the same line. The 4790k is drop in compatible with z87 mobos. Does that mean that it's from the same line as the 4670k? No.

 

[port27]

The defining reason(s) for me for buying into a new socket is that I get faster RAM, better compatibility and the latest features. Also, it stands to reason that a newer socket is more future proof. Eventually the performance gap will widen as the technology on the haswell chips gets older.

Like what features for example? You mean like PCIe 2.0 to 3.0? Negligible performance increase. Or do you mean DDR3 to DDR4? Negligible performance increase again I mean we are talking 1-3fps in most cases. You fall right into the consumer type these companies love. They throw a new feature out there and you are pressed to upgrade but for what? The only feature I am looking forward to right now that might make a difference is DX12 that's it.

 

[port27]

It isn't the same platform. "Drop in compatible" doesn't mean that it's from the same line. The 4790k is drop in compatible with z87 mobos. Does that mean that it's from the same line as the 4670k? No.

I don't understand what you are trying to say here. They are both 1150 Haswell. They both work with my Z87 mobo. I will walk away from this thread saying this, I have 2 rigs. My main one that I am using now has a E3-1230V3 Haswell (editing) my other rig is a E3-1230 Sandy Bridge (server). Performance wise they are identical. I have compared them in every situation you can imagine and there is no difference in real world use.

 

[Darkseiders]

Let's say I upgrade my PC two years from now. Two years is a good time frame. If I spend an extra $50 now, I can get a 7th gen chip, and put it in my PC, without having to do anything else. If I don't, I have to spend an extra $200-300 later in order to upgrade.

 

[Darkseiders]

It isn't the same platform. "Drop in compatible" doesn't mean that it's from the same line. The 4790k is drop in compatible with z87 mobos. Does that mean that it's from the same line as the 4670k? No.

I don't understand what you are trying to say here. They are both 1150 Haswell. They both work with my Z87 mobo.

The 4670k is from a different version of the haswell line. When I say drop in compatible, I mean you can buy a 4770k or a 4790k, and use them both on the same mobo. The 4790k is a z97 CPU that is drop in compatible with z87. The 7th gen chips are drop in compatible with z170.

 

[port27]

Let's say I upgrade my PC two years from now. Two years is a good time frame. If I spend an extra $50 now, I can get a 7th gen chip, and put it in my PC, without having to do anything else. If I don't, I have to spend an extra $200-300 later in order to upgrade.

It isn't the same platform. "Drop in compatible" doesn't mean that it's from the same line. The 4790k is drop in compatible with z87 mobos. Does that mean that it's from the same line as the 4670k? No.

I don't understand what you are trying to say here. They are both 1150 Haswell. They both work with my Z87 mobo.

The 4670k is from a different version of the haswell line. When I say drop in compatible, I mean you can buy a 4770k or a 4790k, and use them both on the same mobo. The 4790k is a z97 CPU that is drop in compatible with z87. The 7th gen chips are drop in compatible with z170.

That is a very "what if" situation. I can't see anyone that can think straight getting rid of a Z97 motherboard for a Z170 motherboard. There isn't any feature worth that upgrade.

 

[RobCrezz]

It isn't the same platform. "Drop in compatible" doesn't mean that it's from the same line. The 4790k is drop in compatible with z87 mobos. Does that mean that it's from the same line as the 4670k? No.

I don't understand what you are trying to say here. They are both 1150 Haswell. They both work with my Z87 mobo.

The 4670k is from a different version of the haswell line. When I say drop in compatible, I mean you can buy a 4770k or a 4790k, and use them both on the same mobo. The 4790k is a z97 CPU that is drop in compatible with z87. The 7th gen chips are drop in compatible with z170.

But why would you ever upgrade to the next generation up? For an extra 5% performance? its pointless.

I would be like upgrading my 2500k to a 3570k just because my motherboard can accept it, its a pointless waste of money.

 

[burgessanthony]

Agreed. I've never bothered with upgrade paths. One gen up is rarely noticeable. I think 3 yearly for cpu/mobo with current stuff. Ivy to kaby lake will likely make sense...thats what I'm planning!

 

[Sumo999]

Intel didn't even need to release Skylake and the increase in performance again is marginal as it has been since Sandy Bridge. Personally I would go with Haswell but that's because I would rather have the extra money to spend on the other components that will actually make the difference in a gaming PC like the graphics card.

There's £20 diffrence in price so may as well get the latest. In the total cost of the build its nothing, why would you reckomend old tech for the sake of £20.

 

[Sumo999]

The defining reason(s) for me for buying into a new socket is that I get faster RAM, better compatibility and the latest features. Also, it stands to reason that a newer socket is more future proof. Eventually the performance gap will widen as the technology on the haswell chips gets older.

Like what features for example? You mean like PCIe 2.0 to 3.0? Negligible performance increase. Or do you mean DDR3 to DDR4? Negligible performance increase again I mean we are talking 1-3fps in most cases. You fall right into the consumer type these companies love. They throw a new feature out there and you are pressed to upgrade but for what? The only feature I am looking forward to right now that might make a difference is DX12 that's it.

You never mentioned the m.2 port on the z170 boards, which is a massive improvement for ssd's 32gb vs 6gb

 

[port27]

Intel didn't even need to release Skylake and the increase in performance again is marginal as it has been since Sandy Bridge. Personally I would go with Haswell but that's because I would rather have the extra money to spend on the other components that will actually make the difference in a gaming PC like the graphics card.

There's £20 diffrence in price so may as well get the latest. In the total cost of the build its nothing, why would you reckomend old tech for the sake of £20.

Because Haswell is super old right? You are the prime example of what these companies want in a consumer.

 

[port27]

The defining reason(s) for me for buying into a new socket is that I get faster RAM, better compatibility and the latest features. Also, it stands to reason that a newer socket is more future proof. Eventually the performance gap will widen as the technology on the haswell chips gets older.

Like what features for example? You mean like PCIe 2.0 to 3.0? Negligible performance increase. Or do you mean DDR3 to DDR4? Negligible performance increase again I mean we are talking 1-3fps in most cases. You fall right into the consumer type these companies love. They throw a new feature out there and you are pressed to upgrade but for what? The only feature I am looking forward to right now that might make a difference is DX12 that's it.

You never mentioned the m.2 port on the z170 boards, which is a massive improvement for ssd's 32gb vs 6gb

Again you are ripe picking for the companies. My 256GB SSD is blazing fast and I bought it for $65. Why would I want to upgrade to spend another $250 for a 256GB that's faster? I don't know about anyone else but I am very happy with my SSD as is stands right now. What am I going to gain 1-3 seconds? You sound like an impulsive buyer but by all means if features like that strike a cord with you then spend away buddy.

 

[Sumo999]

Intel didn't even need to release Skylake and the increase in performance again is marginal as it has been since Sandy Bridge. Personally I would go with Haswell but that's because I would rather have the extra money to spend on the other components that will actually make the difference in a gaming PC like the graphics card.

There's £20 diffrence in price so may as well get the latest. In the total cost of the build its nothing, why would you reckomend old tech for the sake of £20.

Because Haswell is super old right? You are the prime example of what these companies want in a consumer.

Not at all but if your upgrading you may as well go for the latest. I went from an amd to Intel so for £20 you would recommend me getting old products 5-10% slower.