skylake worth it?

[Sumo999]

The defining reason(s) for me for buying into a new socket is that I get faster RAM, better compatibility and the latest features. Also, it stands to reason that a newer socket is more future proof. Eventually the performance gap will widen as the technology on the haswell chips gets older.

Like what features for example? You mean like PCIe 2.0 to 3.0? Negligible performance increase. Or do you mean DDR3 to DDR4? Negligible performance increase again I mean we are talking 1-3fps in most cases. You fall right into the consumer type these companies love. They throw a new feature out there and you are pressed to upgrade but for what? The only feature I am looking forward to right now that might make a difference is DX12 that's it.

You never mentioned the m.2 port on the z170 boards, which is a massive improvement for ssd's 32gb vs 6gb

Again you are ripe picking for the companies. My 256GB SSD is blazing fast and I bought it for $65. Why would I want to upgrade to spend another $250 for a 256GB that's faster? I don't know about anyone else but I am very happy with my SSD as is stands right now. What am I going to gain 1-3 seconds? You sound like an impulsive buyer but by all means if features like that strike a cord with you then spend away buddy.

Sounds to me as if you can't afford the latest stuff.

The thread was what he should buy, he has set his mind on an upgrade so for the small CPU price diffrence get the latest then you have the option to get an m.2 drive when they drop in price, you don't have that option going your route.

 

[port27]

Intel didn't even need to release Skylake and the increase in performance again is marginal as it has been since Sandy Bridge. Personally I would go with Haswell but that's because I would rather have the extra money to spend on the other components that will actually make the difference in a gaming PC like the graphics card.

There's £20 diffrence in price so may as well get the latest. In the total cost of the build its nothing, why would you reckomend old tech for the sake of £20.

Because Haswell is super old right? You are the prime example of what these companies want in a consumer.

Not at all but if your upgrading you may as well go for the latest. I went from an amd to Intel so for £20 you would recommend me getting old products 5-10% slower.

I go with whatever is cheaper at that time and I usually go 1 generation behind. I recently spent $260 on a Xeon E3-1230V3 and MSi Z87 Gaming motherboard. I already had 16GB of DDR3 so it made sense when I compared it to a Core i5-6600K the performance difference in real word use is negligible. At most the difference between a 6600K and 4690K is under 10% in synthetic benchmarks. Now unless you are a robot and all you do is run synthetic benchmarks you would never know the difference if both systems were in front of you but I don't expect you to understand that having come from AMD everything must seem foreign.

 

[port27]

The defining reason(s) for me for buying into a new socket is that I get faster RAM, better compatibility and the latest features. Also, it stands to reason that a newer socket is more future proof. Eventually the performance gap will widen as the technology on the haswell chips gets older.

Like what features for example? You mean like PCIe 2.0 to 3.0? Negligible performance increase. Or do you mean DDR3 to DDR4? Negligible performance increase again I mean we are talking 1-3fps in most cases. You fall right into the consumer type these companies love. They throw a new feature out there and you are pressed to upgrade but for what? The only feature I am looking forward to right now that might make a difference is DX12 that's it.

You never mentioned the m.2 port on the z170 boards, which is a massive improvement for ssd's 32gb vs 6gb

Again you are ripe picking for the companies. My 256GB SSD is blazing fast and I bought it for $65. Why would I want to upgrade to spend another $250 for a 256GB that's faster? I don't know about anyone else but I am very happy with my SSD as is stands right now. What am I going to gain 1-3 seconds? You sound like an impulsive buyer but by all means if features like that strike a cord with you then spend away buddy.

Sounds to me as if you can't afford the latest stuff.

The thread was what he should buy, he has set his mind on an upgrade so for the small CPU price diffrence get the latest then you have the option to get an m.2 drive when they drop in price, you don't have that option going your route.

I can afford the latest stuff I just choose not to buy the latest stuff because I have more than a half a brain.

 

[Sumo999]

The defining reason(s) for me for buying into a new socket is that I get faster RAM, better compatibility and the latest features. Also, it stands to reason that a newer socket is more future proof. Eventually the performance gap will widen as the technology on the haswell chips gets older.

Like what features for example? You mean like PCIe 2.0 to 3.0? Negligible performance increase. Or do you mean DDR3 to DDR4? Negligible performance increase again I mean we are talking 1-3fps in most cases. You fall right into the consumer type these companies love. They throw a new feature out there and you are pressed to upgrade but for what? The only feature I am looking forward to right now that might make a difference is DX12 that's it.

You never mentioned the m.2 port on the z170 boards, which is a massive improvement for ssd's 32gb vs 6gb

Again you are ripe picking for the companies. My 256GB SSD is blazing fast and I bought it for $65. Why would I want to upgrade to spend another $250 for a 256GB that's faster? I don't know about anyone else but I am very happy with my SSD as is stands right now. What am I going to gain 1-3 seconds? You sound like an impulsive buyer but by all means if features like that strike a cord with you then spend away buddy.

Sounds to me as if you can't afford the latest stuff.

The thread was what he should buy, he has set his mind on an upgrade so for the small CPU price diffrence get the latest then you have the option to get an m.2 drive when they drop in price, you don't have that option going your route.

I can afford the latest stuff I just choose not to buy the latest stuff because I have more than a half a brain.

Obviously you don't or you wouldn't be moaning about the price diffrence between 4790k and 6700k if your building new get the latest if there's not much in the price.

 

[Sumo999]

Intel didn't even need to release Skylake and the increase in performance again is marginal as it has been since Sandy Bridge. Personally I would go with Haswell but that's because I would rather have the extra money to spend on the other components that will actually make the difference in a gaming PC like the graphics card.

There's £20 diffrence in price so may as well get the latest. In the total cost of the build its nothing, why would you reckomend old tech for the sake of £20.

Because Haswell is super old right? You are the prime example of what these companies want in a consumer.

Not at all but if your upgrading you may as well go for the latest. I went from an amd to Intel so for £20 you would recommend me getting old products 5-10% slower.

I go with whatever is cheaper at that time and I usually go 1 generation behind. I recently spent $260 on a Xeon E3-1230V3 and MSi Z87 Gaming motherboard. I already had 16GB of DDR3 so it made sense when I compared it to a Core i5-6600K the performance difference in real word use is negligible. At most the difference between a 6600K and 4690K is under 10% in synthetic benchmarks. Now unless you are a robot and all you do is run synthetic benchmarks you would never know the difference if both systems were in front of you but I don't expect you to understand that having come from AMD everything must seem foreign.

Your still only going on about CPU not the other features the board has and again if he's upgrading anyway for an extra 20 he may as well have latest features and 10% faster CPU.

I'm not saying upgrade every time a new chip comes out but when it is time to upgrade get the latest if you can afford it.

 

[Max_x2]

Intel didn't even need to release Skylake and the increase in performance again is marginal as it has been since Sandy Bridge. Personally I would go with Haswell but that's because I would rather have the extra money to spend on the other components that will actually make the difference in a gaming PC like the graphics card.

There's £20 diffrence in price so may as well get the latest. In the total cost of the build its nothing, why would you reckomend old tech for the sake of £20.

Because Haswell is super old right? You are the prime example of what these companies want in a consumer.

Not at all but if your upgrading you may as well go for the latest. I went from an amd to Intel so for £20 you would recommend me getting old products 5-10% slower.

I go with whatever is cheaper at that time and I usually go 1 generation behind. I recently spent $260 on a Xeon E3-1230V3 and MSi Z87 Gaming motherboard. I already had 16GB of DDR3 so it made sense when I compared it to a Core i5-6600K the performance difference in real word use is negligible. At most the difference between a 6600K and 4690K is under 10% in synthetic benchmarks. Now unless you are a robot and all you do is run synthetic benchmarks you would never know the difference if both systems were in front of you but I don't expect you to understand that having come from AMD everything must seem foreign.

Lol dude! That one made me laugh. Honestly tho, he's (port27) right in everything he said in this thread. One thing to add, if you plan on getting an M.2 SSD, z97 boards support it, so here you go. CPU technologies have been stalling for the last 5-6 years. Like port27 said, you'll only see a difference in benchmarks, but they won't translate in real life situations. I have an i5 4670k that I bought at launch because there was a deal on ncix.com, and 2½ years later, I'm still very happy with the choice I made. My best pal just bought an i7 4790k, and to be honest, beside benchmarks, there isn't that much of a difference. Hyperthreading works well, but don't expect 2 times the performance in benchmarks... Let alone IRL.

Also, if Windows 10 is not your thing for whatever reason (hint: don't believe the anti-win10 movement because it's mostly BS), you might have some issues at some point, since Microsoft said that from Skylake and upwards, only windows 10 will be fully supported. What that means is that you could probably still run win7 or 8.1, but might not be able to apply all patches and security fixes. So it's another thing to consider.

One more thing: you can find DDR3 RAM that's faster than DDR4. The same thing happened in the transition from DDR2 to DDR3. That might not always be the case, but are you really going to upgrade your DDR4 couple years from now to get the faster, shiny new DDR4 in say, 3 years? I've had the same DDR3 1600MHz for the last 3 years, and it's still serving me very well. I really don't plan on upgrading it for a couple of years, probably never will, and upgrade my whole rig in another 5 years, unless there's a real improvement in CPU speed, and my beloved i5 can't keep up, or worse, fails (I seriously doubt that, Intel's are near eternal, but hey, you never know). At this point, my understanding is that Intel will continue to release new CPU families every year, with a 5% upgrade in performance from the family it replaces, and perhaps shed a couple of Watts here and there that would translate to a whooping 50cents of annual energy bill cost, which won't warrant an upgrade.

Hope this helps.

 

[Sumo999]

Z170 has 20 pic-e lanes and used 4 for the m.2 which get 32gb transfer rate, the m.2 on the z97 only transfers at 10gb.

People are missing the point he is building a new system and price wise there is no reason not to go for the newest stuff. It's different if he was on about upgrading from a 4790k but he's not.

 

[Max_x2]

Z170 has 20 pic-e lanes and used 4 for the m.2 which get 32gb transfer rate, the m.2 on the z97 only transfers at 10gb.

People are missing the point he is building a new system and price wise there is no reason not to go for the newest stuff. It's different if he was on about upgrading from a 4790k but he's not.

At least 70$ less for the i7 4790k, plus it comes with a cooler that's adequate if he doesn't overclock http://pcpartpicker.com/parts/compare/intel-cpu-bx80646i74790k,intel-cpu-bx80662i76700k/

You might be right about M.2 , but again, you won't see much real-world difference between an SSD and a M.2 SSD, let alone between 2 M.2 pcie SSDs. This thread is pretty relevant http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-2311943/pcie-lanes.html , and this article too, which uses the fastest m.2 around http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/10/950-pro-review-samsungs-first-pcie-m-2-nvme-ssd-is-an-absolute-monster/ . Skip right to the conclusions, and look at the last "bad" point, which arrives to the exact same conclusions that I have.

If someone is missing the point here, it's you. But since you bought that CPU, I guess you absolutely want to justify why you paid more than you should've.

Edit: I realized after posting that you, or others, might ask: "Why buy a K sku if you don't overclock?". Well, most of the time, the price difference isn't that great, plus you always have the option of overclocking it a couple years down the road to extend it's useful life.

 

[Sumo999]

The diffrence in price between the 6700k and the 4790k is £20 in the uk about 30 dollars so why would anyone be stupid enough not to buy the 6700k...

 

[Horrace]

Here are my recommendations: Intel i5-6600k and 16gb of DDR4 RAM. The main reason to buy skylake is that you have an upgrade path. The 7th gen Intel CPUs will use: DDR4 memory, The LGA1151 Socket, and be compatible with the Z170 chipset. Basically, the 7th gen chips are drop-in compatible with skylake. To upgrade to 7th gen from haswell you will need: A new mobo. New RAM. A new CPU. You only need a new CPU if you buy into skylake.

I hate when people use "upgrade path" as an excuse. People hardly ever use the upgrade path to buy new hardware. By the time your CPU becomes irrelevant their is already a new socket. Don't make that the defining reason for buying into a socket. You can buy Haswell and it will last you at least another 4-5 years easy. How many sockets you think will be available by then? I put "upgrade path" in the same category as "future proof".

This is a good point. The only time its worth upgrading the cpu on the same platform is if you end up going for a pentium/i3 and get a i5/i7 later.

 

[Horrace]

I agree, and the plus side of it is that when you are finished with that cpu generation, it will still be great for donating, to someone who does not have a system and it will be the best system they never had!