Question Slow (C) boot drive - NVME - 2TB Crucial P3 2TB M.2 NVMe 3D TLC

[Willferox]

Hello, I have a query about my boot disk, which seems to be unusually slow. My boot time is about 60-seconds, with the (C) drive running at around 100% for the next 60-seconds once booted. Understable that it's in use while loading apps, but I'm surprised an NVME is at 100% doing these tasks.

Currently I'm downloading software. In task manager, it says the (C) drive is at 100% and at 20MB/s READ and 200MB/s WRITE. This seems lower than the NVME's specs? The computer is currently running slow and clunky during this relatively small download.

The NVME in question is a 2TB Crucial P3 2TB M.2 NVMe 3D TLC PCIe SSD/Solid State Drive (CT2000P3SSD8) purchase about 2 years ago. Could it be a cache issue?

Computer specs:
Windows 11 - 23H2
13900kf
RTX A4000
64GB DDR5
2TB Crucial P3 2TB M.2 NVMe 3D TLC PCIe SSD/Solid State Drive
Many USB peripherals (about 8-10 inc. thunderbolt 3 x 2)
Other SSD's, NVME's and HDD's
Noctua NH-D15 CPU Cooler

Many thanks,
Will

 

[SkyNetRising]

and wonder if I could speed things up with a newer QLD drive. I also understand this may be a cache issue?

QLC is a downgrade.

TLC is better than QLC.
QLC has less endurance and require more error correction. Only benefit - it has more capacity.

SLC, MLC, TLC, QLC - every next step is worse than previous.

 

[Willferox]

QLC is a downgrade.

TLC is better than QLC.
QLC has less endurance and require more error correction. Only benefit - it has more capacity.

SLC, MLC, TLC, QLC - every next step is worse than previous.

Ah yes, my mistake - amended.

 

[Misgar]

My boot time is about 60-seconds, with the (C) drive running at around 100% for the next 60-seconds once booted.

My 7950X takes more than 50 seconds to boot Windows 10 according to Boot Racer and that excludes the time for the BIOS to detect additional PCIe cards (10GbE NIC and LSI HBA).

All my PCs spend time checking for Windows Updates after booting and this can take some time. For really old machines, I leave them for 10 to 20 minutes on the Second Tuesday of every Month, to sort things out.

Try disconnecting your computer from the internet and see if it settles down faster, after the Windows Desktop appears and all the icons have finished loading on the Taskbar.

I don't know if your machine spends any time "training" RAM like my Ryzen, but it's an added start up delay with DDR5.

There are plenty of programs to measure Windows boot up times and tell you where the delays are.
https://www.thewindowsclub.com/measure-boot-time-windows

 

[Bob.B]

Hello, I have a query about my boot disk, which seems to be unusually slow. My boot time is about 60-seconds, with the (C) drive running at around 100% for the next 60-seconds once booted. Understable that it's in use while loading apps, but I'm surprised an NVME is at 100% doing these tasks.

Currently I'm downloading software. In task manager, it says the (C) drive is at 100% and at 20MB/s READ and 200MB/s WRITE. This seems lower than the NVME's specs? The computer is currently running slow and clunky during this relatively small download.

The NVME in question is a 2TB Crucial P3 2TB M.2 NVMe 3D TLC PCIe SSD/Solid State Drive (CT2000P3SSD8) purchase about 2 years ago. Could it be a cache issue?

Computer specs:
Windows 11 - 23H2
13900kf
RTX A4000
64GB DDR5
2TB Crucial P3 2TB M.2 NVMe 3D TLC PCIe SSD/Solid State Drive
Many USB peripherals (about 8-10 inc. thunderbolt 3 x 2)
Other SSD's, NVME's and HDD's
Noctua NH-D15 CPU Cooler

Many thanks,
Will

Unplug all unneeded ext stuff.....test.
Make the startup group skinny.....test.

 

[geofelt]

On the task manager startup tab you will see the last BIOS time.
Mine shows 13.1 seconds.

Are you using fast startup?
That reads a simple sequential file containing the last successful windows code.
That is faster than refreshing the code.

Then...
Why power on/off at all?
Try sleep to ram(no hibernate) instead
That puts the pc and monitor into a very low power state comparable to a full power off.
sleep/wake becomes a handful of seconds.

 

[Willferox]

On the task manager startup tab you will see the last BIOS time.
Mine shows 13.1 seconds.

Are you using fast startup?
That reads a simple sequential file containing the last successful windows code.
That is faster than refreshing the code.

Then...
Why power on/off at all?
Try sleep to ram(no hibernate) instead
That puts the pc and monitor into a very low power state comparable to a full power off.
sleep/wake becomes a handful of seconds.

Good idea. PS my startup time was 34.1 seconds.

 

[geofelt]

Good idea. PS my startup time was 34.1 seconds.

That suggests to me that added time is taken in the bios.
Two possibilities:
1) Your motherboard has an adapter for which there is no device. It detects that there is no device by waiting for a response. I might think it takes 5 seconds. Perhaps the thunderbird ports.
2) The motherboard did not like the specified ram settings and was searching for something that works.
What is the make/model of your ram kit?
Is it a single matched kit, or is it two of the same part number. Ram must be matched to work properly.
Do you set the specs via XMP?
look at cpu-Z and see if the actual ram settings in use are the same as the xmp specs on the ram itself.

 

[Willferox]

That suggests to me that added time is taken in the bios.
Two possibilities:
1) Your motherboard has an adapter for which there is no device. It detects that there is no device by waiting for a response. I might think it takes 5 seconds. Perhaps the thunderbird ports.
2) The motherboard did not like the specified ram settings and was searching for something that works.
What is the make/model of your ram kit?
Is it a single matched kit, or is it two of the same part number. Ram must be matched to work properly.
Do you set the specs via XMP?
look at cpu-Z and see if the actual ram settings in use are the same as the xmp specs on the ram itself.

Thanks. The RAM is: Corsair Vengeance White 64GB 5200MHz DDR5 Memory Kit; 64GB (2x32GB) Corsair DDR5 Vengeance White, PC5-41600 (5200), Non-ECC Unbuffered, CAS 40, XMP 3.0. Purchased together as a set.

CPU-Z shows as follows:
Mem controller freq: 1200 mhz
Uncore Freq: 800
DRAM Freq: 2400

Slot 2 and 4:
Slot 2 max bandwidth 2600
Slot 4 max bandwidth 2600

Mobo is Z690 proart

 

[geofelt]

Ram looks good.
5200 speed is 2x 2600.

I suspect the empty thunderbird port.
Can you attach something, or else disable the port in the bios.