So A Very Serious Question

[Guest]

My system specs [Basic]

CPU FX4300
RAM Corsair DDR3 4 GB(1 x 4GB) PC RAM (CMV4GX3M1A1600C11)
Motherboard MSI 760GM-P23 (FX)
GPU Sapphire AMD/ATI HD 7770 1 GB GDDR5
Power Supply Cooler Master 450W
HDD 1 TB WD Cavier Green (wdc wd10ezrx-00l4hb0)
Monitor LG 1600x900 @60hz

The problem : I made this rig in March 2014.I used to have a laptop.I am studying away from home.I cannot manage a beast computer that way but for my gaming needs i decided to make this pc. But Ever since i have made this rig i am unable to play games smoothly.There are always micro-shutters during game-play.Now Since i run all games at 1600x900 .Most game automatically set themselves up at high-ultra settings, pre-2013 games with vsync on and post 2013 games with v-sync off.I get good fps in mordern games that include Batman Arkham Origins And Assassin's Creed Black Flag.Batman Arkham origins average fps in normal settings with in game bench-marking tool gives 58fps and Assassins Creed Black Flag Digital deluxe edition is the only game by far that runs smoothly without shutters(However the normal version i had shuttered a hell lot),but that was before the patches and update.Literally thousands of hour wasted to find the solution.Formatted from scratch many times.My computer is heavily optimized and runs like water.

Now i had this windows 8.1 infamous 100% disk usage problem.Most solution pointed to disabling superfetch,Windows Search and BITS.So except BITS i stopped the services and it helped.And I use razer game booster which stops BITS before gaming.Now the problem is games like skyrim shutter a lot(Its Gamebreaking)Everything runs at 60fps but then jolts of shutter set in.So i analyzed that superfetch and prefetch actually analyze the material to be used next and load it from disk drive to ram.My ram usage in any game barely hits 80 as my system is only using 1gb of ram. 3gb of ram is there for game which is the optimal one.Yet i get shutter.Now all hardware equipment are healthy and software updated all time.No burdensome background task running in background.Still the micro-shutter are always there.So i figured disabling superfetch is like disabling pagefile(so maybe even if everthing is displayed ok in ram usage maybe there isnt any real free memory where files from disk will load).It points then to rpm but my friend has R9 270x and he and i use same drive so it cant be rpm problem in a way(though just to note his hard disk failed after a week and he got it replaced same model still).

Now skyrim shutters not just in 1600x900 resolution but in all resolutions at the lowest with low settings(it automatically sets itself on ultra by default).In windowed mode during loading screen the whole window freezes a bit(with not-responding at title bar).Not just skyrim many game shutter one point or another.
Bioshock Infinite,Dark Souls II all run on high or ultra by default.But they all shutter , all of them except Assassins Creed : Black flag(Digital Deluxe Edition)If there is one i cant notice though it definitely does not run on 60 fps its somewhere from 40-55.I never benchmarked the new one but i feel it.The smoothness is superb the kind i wanted
Please note that shutter even happens on lowest resolutions so its not Vram problem,
At last the only two solutions i see is either trying Windows 7 or buying more ram.
So my question is , 'Is this in any way a ram problem'.

Also for additional information when i switch on my room lights sometimes my pc makes sound of something inserted and pulled off like pen-drive(its usually my WiFi adapter but it happens very rarely).I use 3 adapters apart from my mouse and keyboard in my usb ports.
two bluetooth adapter for my duel-shock 3 controller and bluetooth headphone and one for wifi.
So is this a power issue .Nothing overheats though everything is real cool with CPU idle temps from 12 to 18 degrees on numerous tasks and gpu at 37.This increases while gaming but nothing unusual. Additionally i set gpu fan to manual to run at 50 to 100 percent when temps are above 50.I don't care for fan i do care for gpu.

Would buying more ram help.I need a proper answer.I never get replies in forums like these even after being thorough if i dont get proper answers this time i am not posting anything ever again.

I am looking forward to playing shadow of mordor without shutter.
Yes buying ram may sound cheap to you but i am always on budget.Buying more ram which i am not going to use is a pure wastage to money in terms of money and for sake of technological waste dumping in our dear planet earth.

I would be thankful for replies from anyone as long as its not pure idiocracy.

 

[Eximo]

I would try replacing the power supply. Sounds like it isn't delivering what it should be and causing the system to misbehave.

450W from cooler master probably only outputs something like 24 amps at 12V, which is marginal for your setup.

Something like an EVGA 600B or XFX550W. Corsair CX500m or CX600m if you don't want to spend a lot.

 

[lp231]

Update your motherboard bios

 

[logainofhades]

Low end CPU with a low end GPU, don't expect much. That said, I would check your temps.

 

[Guest]

Low end CPU with a low end GPU, don't expect much. That said, I would check your temps.

what are you taking about.Did you read my post....i need solution not typical illogical comments.Who is saying its powerful cpu and gpu , But it is more than enough for what i am doing with it.I am not playing on 1080p with Ultra and SSAA on with three monitors.And I already posted temps as normal and that shuttering occurs on lowest resolutions like 1280x720.I am not living in my home.I typed all the details for a reason.....so atleast suggest solution apart from stating whats already in post.Everday i see this nonsense from people who have barely any idea about world economy and what is actual high end or the low one.I know we are on Noetical age and there are countries where in even presidents office there is a not a pc which is as powerful as my current setup.

 

[Guest]

I would try replacing the power supply. Sounds like it isn't delivering what it should be and causing the system to misbehave.

450W from cooler master probably only outputs something like 24 amps at 12V, which is marginal for your setup.

Something like an EVGA 600B or XFX550W. Corsair CX500m or CX600m if you don't want to spend a lot.

Huh...Well thats something to think of.This cpu has TDP of 95W.I thought enough power should be going through gpu but i have disabled windows settings that turn off power supply in usb hub due to annoying discconnections of my bluetooth and wifi adapters.So i will check if that is the issue.My wifi adapter disconnection as i previously mentioned is very rare.Thanx for the opinion though.

 

[logainofhades]

I have an idea of world economy. I don't live at home either. My system has been pieced together over the years with used parts, and clearance/refurb items. Very little I own was bought new and none at full price. (Microcenter FTW) The FX 4300 is not a good gaming CPU, period. If you couldn't make one or two less trips to mcdonalds to pony up for a better FX 6300, then I do not know what to tell you. I do not think your reporting software is correct, given how low your temps are saying at idle.

 

[Guest]

Update your motherboard bios

i have latest bios as per msi live update 6 utility.I know this utility sucked but for now it works.After updating i uninstalled it though(it launches some stuppid background srvice which uses ram and is useless process unless there is actually an update.I keep regular eyes on updates but BIOS updates are not very frequent.

 

[Guest]

I have an idea of world economy. I don't live at home either. My system has been pieced together over the years with used parts, and clearance/refurb items. Very little I own was bought new and none at full price. (Microcenter FTW) The FX 4300 is not a good gaming CPU, period. If you couldn't make one or two less trips to mcdonalds to pony up for a better FX 6300, then I do not know what to tell you. I do not think your reporting software is correct, given how low your temps are saying at idle.

Bro i used multiple software to benchmark temps .Cpu and GPu temps are often reasons for this kind of crap i know it but
if you do some research rather than just googling or if you give any value to opinions of people who know their shit https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIT9uLDjZcg you will fiind that if somebody gaming on 1600x900 and if he/she is using fx4300 to do it,they dont need more cpu power.

 

[lp231]

Update your motherboard bios

i have latest bios as per msi live update 6 utility.I know this utility sucked but for now it works.After updating i uninstalled it though(it launches some stuppid background srvice which uses ram and is useless process unless there is actually an update.I keep regular eyes on updates but BIOS updates are not very frequent.

Then it could be your psu as mentioned by Exmio, but before going out and buying a new one, try to use your system with the necessary parts like monitor, keyboard, and mouse and see what it does. If it happens to work great, then plug back one device at a time and test again to see if any of the other devices could be causing the problem. Try a different SATA and SATA power cable. Try a different power cord or plug your system to a different power outlet. Clean your GPU from dust, blower style cooler gets dust clogged up between the fan and heatsink.

 

[Guest]

Update your motherboard bios

i have latest bios as per msi live update 6 utility.I know this utility sucked but for now it works.After updating i uninstalled it though(it launches some stuppid background srvice which uses ram and is useless process unless there is actually an update.I keep regular eyes on updates but BIOS updates are not very frequent.

Then it could be your psu as mentioned by Exmio, but before going out and buying a new one, try to use your system with the necessary parts like monitor, keyboard, and mouse and see what it does. If it happens to work great, then plug back one device at a time and test again to see if any of the other devices could be causing the problem. Try a different SATA and SATA power cable. Try a different power cord or plug your system to a different power outlet. Clean your GPU from dust, blower style cooler gets dust clogged up between the fan and heatsink.

Thanx for replying again.I did cleaned it with blower but i will check if another sata cable or fresh power supply give me a different prospective.When i am not gaming i am running things phenomenally smooth.I can do rendering in Photoshop at really good speed.My system works great all time so power supply shouldn't be the use but you know we often find solutions where we dont expect to.

 

[Outlander_04]

Im not sure what your problem is , but is it possible you are experiencing lag in the time it takes to load scenes ?
You would expect RAM to have a large enough buffer , but your hard drive is very slow compared to a regular desktop drive .

 

[Guest]

Im not sure what your problem is , but is it possible you are experiencing lag in the time it takes to load scenes ?
You would expect RAM to have a large enough buffer , but your hard drive is very slow compared to a regular desktop drive .

How do you came to that conclusion man answering on ram issue thats good(really appreciate it as it is the central question) but the actual rpm of my drive is only known to WD as 'intellipower' is their own technology.Besides did you read the part where i said my friend plays games on same hard drive wuth R9 270x without shutters.

 

[Outlander_04]

Im not sure what your problem is , but is it possible you are experiencing lag in the time it takes to load scenes ?
You would expect RAM to have a large enough buffer , but your hard drive is very slow compared to a regular desktop drive .

How do you came to that conclusion man answering on ram issue thats good(really appreciate it as it is the central question) but the actual rpm of my drive is only known to WD as 'intellipower' is their own technology.Besides did you read the part where i said my friend plays games on same hard drive wuth R9 270x without shutters.

Green hard drives are much slower in terms of data through put . I dont care that WD wont tell anyone how fast they spin .
As I said you'd expect the RAM to be buffering needed data well enough , but depending on the other software you are uusing it might not

Have you mentioned anywhere what operating system you are using?
what antivirus
what firewall
whether the problem is the same on and offline ?

 

[Guest]

Im not sure what your problem is , but is it possible you are experiencing lag in the time it takes to load scenes ?
You would expect RAM to have a large enough buffer , but your hard drive is very slow compared to a regular desktop drive .

How do you came to that conclusion man answering on ram issue thats good(really appreciate it as it is the central question) but the actual rpm of my drive is only known to WD as 'intellipower' is their own technology.Besides did you read the part where i said my friend plays games on same hard drive wuth R9 270x without shutters.

Green hard drives are much slower in terms of data through put . I dont care that WD wont tell anyone how fast they spin .
As I said you'd expect the RAM to be buffering needed data well enough

Have you mentioned anywhere what operating system you are using?

Yes i did mention that i am using Windows 8.1 when i referred to 100% disk usage problem sufferd by me and many wother windows 8.1 users.

 

[Outlander_04]

There are several versions of windows 8/8.1

 

[Guest]

There are several versions of windows 8/8.1

well i really doubt people game on anything less than professional version and 64bit variant when it comes to windows 8.

Also some of the games i mention dont have an online requirement like skyrim to play so networking issue dont jumble in thats just farstreching things.If you want to know it happens offline too.I dont use any antivirus because i dont need one.Windows defender and default firewall is good enough for me.I do use Advance system care Pro to keep computer free from registry errors , junk files and so that hard drives are defragged all times.

 

[Outlander_04]

Its not important what you doubt . Only information is important
Besides most people building their own computer have no need for a pro version of windows . It provides no additional features a home user would want or need

So basically from what you have said your software set up is ridiculous .

Reinstall windows .
install the mb drivers
then the graphics driver
install a good free antivirus like AVAST

Do it strictly in that order

do not instal monitoring software , benchmarking software or any other junk utilities

After that most likely you will have smooth game play

 

[lp231]

Something about that advanced care pro might be the cause of it.

 

[Guest]

Its not important what you doubt . Only information is important
Besides most people building their own computer have no need for a pro version of windows . It provides no additional features a home user would want or need

So basically from what you have said your software set up is ridiculous .

Reinstall windows .
install the mb drivers
then the graphics driver
install a good free antivirus like AVAST

Do it strictly in that order

do not instal monitoring software , benchmarking software or any other junk utilities

After that most likely you will have smooth game play

i really did not wanted to be rude but your response is more ridiculous than my software setup..My software setup is on a whole different level everywhere i live and go people always ask me to repair and tweak their computer even if its not my line of study or work.You assume too much where there is nothing to assume and don't use your assumption where you should and i run everything else except games at phenomenal speed.People who really know what they are doing dont need antivirus. Obviously you are just a kid , please do me a kind favor and don't post any more replies in this thread.This post is not made for debating and arguing and our discussion seems to be headed to that road.You are free to of-course have your own opinion but for now just keep it to yourself.Thanx for all the replies.

 

[Outlander_04]

Its not important what you doubt . Only information is important
Besides most people building their own computer have no need for a pro version of windows . It provides no additional features a home user would want or need

So basically from what you have said your software set up is ridiculous .

Reinstall windows .
install the mb drivers
then the graphics driver
install a good free antivirus like AVAST

Do it strictly in that order

do not instal monitoring software , benchmarking software or any other junk utilities

After that most likely you will have smooth game play

i really did not wanted to be rude but your response is more ridiculous than my software setup..My software setup is on a whole different level everywhere i live and go people always ask me to repair and tweak their computer even if its not my line of study or work.You assume too much where there is nothing to assume and don't use your assumption where you should and i run everything else except games at phenomenal speed.People who really know what they are doing dont need antivirus. Obviously you are just a kid , please do me a kind favor and don't post any more replies in this thread.This post is not made for debating and arguing and our discussion seems to be headed to that road.You are free to of-course have your own opinion but for now just keep it to yourself.Thanx for all the replies.

You have been rude a number of times , and not just to me . Your arrogance is at the heart of your problem here , I suspect . When you start with the assumption that everything you do is right , even when it produces a bad result , there is little chance for improvement

I am 54 years old and have been building computers for over 30 years . I am not a professional . Just a keen enthusiast

Unlike yourself the computer I built for myself works .

So follow my instructions , making sure you are formatting and reinstalling from scratch , not just cloning a faulty software environment , and there is a high probability your system will work

 

[Guest]

Its not important what you doubt . Only information is important
Besides most people building their own computer have no need for a pro version of windows . It provides no additional features a home user would want or need

So basically from what you have said your software set up is ridiculous .

Reinstall windows .
install the mb drivers
then the graphics driver
install a good free antivirus like AVAST

Do it strictly in that order

do not instal monitoring software , benchmarking software or any other junk utilities

After that most likely you will have smooth game play

i really did not wanted to be rude but your response is more ridiculous than my software setup..My software setup is on a whole different level everywhere i live and go people always ask me to repair and tweak their computer even if its not my line of study or work.You assume too much where there is nothing to assume and don't use your assumption where you should and i run everything else except games at phenomenal speed.People who really know what they are doing dont need antivirus. Obviously you are just a kid , please do me a kind favor and don't post any more replies in this thread.This post is not made for debating and arguing and our discussion seems to be headed to that road.You are free to of-course have your own opinion but for now just keep it to yourself.Thanx for all the replies.

You have been rude a number of times , and not just to me . Your arrogance is at the heart of your problem here , I suspect . When you start with the assumption that everything you do is right , even when it produces a bad result , there is little chance for improvement

I am 54 years old and have been building computers for over 30 years . I am not a professional . Just a keen enthusiast

Unlike yourself the computer I built for myself works .

So follow my instructions , making sure you are formatting and reinstalling from scratch , not just cloning a faulty software environment , and there is a high probability your system will work

Not going to say too much , debating is pointless.
Aging and growing up are two different things.
I don't care even if were 70 or 90 , i do care you posted replies attempting to give possible solutions and i am thankful for it.But if you really had grown up you wouldnt have replied,you have problem of pride i dont. It.It displays when you use my computer works argument.I dont care for your pride.Moreover if you had just read whats already is there then you would have realized i have reformatted many time(written in original post) and tested games in the software condition you are suggesting.Also if you read even more from my replies here you would have known by analysis i don't keep any program installed,i dont even have a toolbar.I use AVC to uninstall things as it clears registry and empty folder.I know programs like these show false statistics and are after your money.But i use only some features from it like its defragmenting tool and etc which really work and if avast is trustable then avc is too.I dont have many benchmarking softwares installed.I install them then i uninstall them properly and thoroughly.I have good browsing habit and that's why i don't use antivirus.That is all.It was already written before.The conclusion of this paragraph is dont make this thread a debate as i have told you i dont need any more help from you.

 

[logainofhades]

I didn't notice the slow HDD either. That is not doing you any favors at all.

 

[Guest]

With analysis i found only one solid thing that mabe you guys can use to help me.....
this shuttering i am experiencing happens to me at fixed points in games...and by that i mean at exactly same location....and i mean the same point.

whether its skyrim or ethan carter it still happens at the same point.....now does anything ring new in your minds

 

[Guest]

Something about that advanced care pro might be the cause of it.

i had this problem before i installed advanced care pro....it persists after uninstallation of AVC.......so i reinstalled it...i trust this software...its good for cleaning empty folder,leftover items from uninstalled programs in a batch mode.You could do all that manually but it will consume time so i use this software.....of course they developed it so they will fool people by stupid statistics at first scan but competition is high so i cut them some slack.....its just just like tuneup utility or cccleaner but with more options.....but i can assure you it has nothing to do with any of my gaming problem