So Nvidia lied about the GTX 970 for months

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http://hexus.net/tech/news/graphics/79925-nvidia-explains-geforce-gtx-970s-memory-problems/

Wish I would have bought an R9 290x now. No 2MB L2 cache, no 64 ROPs, and really a 3.5GB card with a crappy slow 0.5GB secondary partition. I feel cheated out of my $340 when I wanted a card that could last me a few years.
 
Last I checked Tom's Hardware doesn't receive any type of serious compensation form Nvidia so I have no idea why that would be the case

could be the usual delay that we've seen on Tom's though. we'll see an article in 1-2 days
 
Though this should be fixed, and it shouldnt have happened really, this does not mean Nvidia is lying.
Manufacturing defects happen, and they can slip past QC. If it took users this long to find the issue, QC teams could miss it too. The 970 is a cut down 980, mistakes happen.

I do expect to see some sort of effort by Nvidia, recalls or rebates or the works. They would rather cover themselves than lose presence in the market.
 


You actually point out the two biggest issues here:

a. the anandtech article clearly points out that this is not due to manufacturing defect, EVERY gtx 970 have this problem. in fact they were designed this way. though I'll admit that the way Nvidia advertised the gtx970 does give them some leeway and technically what they did is not bait and switch, but mere misrepresentation (or withholding of information) or a product.

b. this issue is a hardware flaw due to the way VRAM is arranged (3.5gb piece with a separate 0.5GB unit). in the best case this can be fixed via bios flash, worst case this can't be fixed at all

as a 970 owner myself, I can't complain about the performance. but since I bought it for a 1440p panel with a possible SLI upgrade path to 4k gaming down the road, it does make me disappointed (as I need the extra performance). and makes me think twice about getting a 2nd or even 3rd card for SLI
 


A swing and a miss. No one who bought a 970 expected a 980.
 


Why do you enjoy other peoples misfortune? What is funny about it?
 
I don't but hes unhappy and he got hosed so why keep the card ?? why cut it back to make it work ?? is this what he wanted for his money ??

rma the card and get one that fully works as he expects ..... how hard is this to understand ?? the card is bad and that's all there is to it -- like I said you buy a top end proformance card and in order to get it to work right you got to cut it back ?? limit fps ?? what ever ?? silly

look at ll the folks like him that get this with there 970 cards and it gets rma'ed and you the ones telling him it good and to cut it back and reducing his card when he should of got a card that works correctly right out of the box with out issues...

good luck

 
thing is , you see all the threads like here at toms about the card and all the consumer reviews like at newegg [ coil whine what ever ] and its like near 40% with that report and so no but you just go and buy the card and come here crying about it .. as stupid as I am I seen this coming and took it out of the cart and sat back and watched you guys cry this card has been just one issue behind the other, but I guess you felt you were different and non of that would involve you and the card you got ??

like I say '' you get what you pay for [and some times less] ''

maybe next time you will do better research on your next buy so you not here to cry ....
 
Could this be why my 4k Tv refuses to function with my 970 if certain settings are active on the tv? UHD color on my Samsung 8550 renders the monitor "no display" until the UHD color function is disabled on the tv. And, when i first booted the tv up, I wasn't able to get a display because the default resolution was well above 1900x

I had to get another monitor and set the pc to reset it down to 1900, then swap the monitor to the 4k tv and reset the resolution to 4kish. Ever since then, things work normally but I feared it was because the gpu just couldnt handle 4k resolution in the first place.
 
lololol, I think you must address that to someone else and not on me. As for business standpoint, the "marketing strategy" used by Nvidia is not good, AMD or consumers should claim for compensation for misinformation of the product. This action will lead into the fall of the other company (AMD) or less sale by false marketing of the 970 to compete with the 290/290x. It is just not fair.
 
Here is my take:

1. Less than happy about the VRAM issue, not because I bought the card due to its 4GB VRAM (if I cared about VRAM I would have most likely went with 780 6GB or Titan, not 970), but because not all that VRAM is being used to the same specs. Be it design flaw, marketing error, deliberate intent or some other factor at play. IE I am not happy at the company, I am fine with the card itself. It's not as if the performance of a 970 will suddenly dip after the 3.5GB issue was revealed.

2. 980 costs 550 bucks, 970 costs 350. OK, then let's go a little deeper into these costs: if 970 has all these defects, and yet it is not hampered by those defects unless the card is stressed to its limits, then, what exactly are you paying in a 980? By logic of component quality, 980 should be flawless and 970 should be built and run like a piece of crap, yet it isn't (the price drop of 980 to 970 is much bigger than the performance drop), so 980's quality components means jack all if it has nothing to show for it.

The more defects 970 is found to have, the less impressive 980 itself becomes.
 
You have a point there, my main concern is the market competition. It will not be good for us consumers if the AMD will lose its competitiveness due to false claims of its competitor.
 
@sinty
seems it should display at some kind of default and display to where you can set things up as needed ????

@iamlegend

I dont see it. the cards got 4gb of memory but how it gets utilized with the 970 is not the same as the 980 another point of why if you wanted a full fledged Maxwell card you should of went with the 980 and why theres a 200 buck price difference between them -- like I said you got what you paid for ..

and if you can see through the hype well that's too bad .. no one seems to understand this 970 is a salvage / hand me down card from parts that did not cut it for a 980 and old gtx 700 cards and so you got the lesser card .. but then maybe NVidia will resolve it out of the goodness of there harts ??
 
No offense to junkeymonkey, but to consider everything but the high end to be rejects and therefore not worthy of purchasing, then you should only have a top of the line xeon or i7 in your machine, top of the line ram, etc. Lower binned components aren't necessarily defective, they are binned into classes with well defined specifications, they just don't meet higher standards that you or someone else thinks they should meet. Is my i5-4690k a defective i7, sure why not, but it doesn't mean I didn't get what I paid for, I knew what I paid for, that's the problem here.

A component should meet it's advertised specifications. It's not whining to be upset that the advertised specs were incorrect, to blame that on the people that purchased the card under false pretenses is asinine. If you bought it thinking it was going to be a 980 as you keep saying then yes, that was a little silly, but no one said that. However, if you purchased it with the idea that architecturally it had the same number of units and cache as a 980 which some reviewers believed and reported, that's no one's fault but Nvidia's, they put incorrect specification out there to the public. By mistake or intentionally, it is Nvidia's problem not the people who purchased it with those things in mind.

Additionally, I'm saying this as someone who purchased a 970 after this information came out. I know the last 0.5Gb of vRAM are slower, I know that there could be some coil whine (I don't have any on my card), but simply put I have better things to spend my money on than buying a 980 for epeen. If you are buying a card based on how many texture units, shaders, etc. I would argue that is not doing the research. The money so to speak is in real life performance, as demonstrated by in-game or in-calculation performance. I'm still at 1080p and for the forseeable future, this card will deliver adequate fps at adequate quality on my barely adequate grad student budget. I personally don't want to spend the extra for the 980 even with this information nor heat my house with an r9 290x, as these other options don't meet my criteria.

I do wonder how Nvidia is going to handle this. The advertised specs on Newegg and other sites aren't inaccurate, there are 4Gb of vRAM in there it does have blah blah interface and cuda cores so I wonder if they will use that as grounds to not refund or return the cards. I could see this going class action route more than anything where the 970 owners are compensated in some form for the misinformation. My feelings toward Nvidia on this are more along the lines of "I'm not mad son, just disappointed". I could see this being a genuine miscommunication initially, but it went on for a while.
 
I don't really consider it a design flaw. Looking at how the card was cut down from a 980 it doesn't look like there would be any other way to cut a 980 down to a unified memory pool unless they went to 3GB with a 192 bit bus like we might see with the rumored GTX 960Ti. But they shouldn't have covered up the fact that it's not a unified 4GB memory pool, as any reasonable person might expect from the specs. The flaw is entirely in Nvidia not being truthful with the hardware specs with reviewers. They lied and the review sites ran with their recommendations of a 970 as being a barely cut down 980. And now that we know the true specs of the card it still looks to not have been cut down too much from the full GM204 chip on the 980. But it has been cut down a lot more than we were led to expect by the specs Nvidia gave sites like Tom's Hardware, Anandtech, Hexus, and so on. This card would have still sold like crazy advertised as a 3.5GB card at $330, but being lied to by Nvidia puts a bad taste in my mouth even though it's still a lot of horsepower to get for $330 (well, mine was $340 since I wanted a card with a factory overclock).
 
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