Social Security

[JAYDEEJOHN]

(Fun fact: The first three states to ratify were Alabama, Kentucky, and South Carolina. Conservatives LOVED the idea of a tax based on Income.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Democrats
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solid_South#Democratic_factionalization_over_the_Civil_Rights_Movement
Conservatism seems to have left the dems, and is a shame as well.
Kinda ruins the open tent approach.

A simplified tax code is what many would like to have, and as others pointed out, it removes taxation as a tool for election.
No one wants to "do" their own taxes, unless of course, theres incentives to do so

 

[dogman_1234]

Problem with a sales tax is it is regressive, meaning the poor are hit more harder that you and I.

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

A flat tax would have effects on the poor, and would create a 2 tier system, where many in lower incomes who currently pay little, would have to be maintained at those levels, or, we will have to create more "programs" to help them.
These people rely heavily upon their tax returns, as theyre always a boost to their incomes, as the percentage of income vs their tax returns are so high.
This would require many changes in markets methinks as well

 

[musical marv]

Not necessarily. The rich will be buying 90" LED flat screens, Rolex watches, Mercedes Benzs, Yachts, and mansion homes. Therefore the $$ amount they will be paying will be much higher.

The "poor" will have more money in their pocket with the elimination of the income tax. So, proportionately it should balance out.

The poor will have nothing ever with the Republicans leading the way.That is their want in life.Screw the RICH!

 

[MU_Engineer]

I don't like behavior taxes in any form, and I see the income tax as big behavior tax. I'm always depressed by the impression of having what I work for and earn taken away from me before I even get to see it.

A sales tax, or even flat tax would help alleviate that impression somewhat. At least with me.

A sales tax would end up being as much or more of a behavior tax than an income tax. You get all of the "well, a sales tax is regressive because poor people spend a greater amount of their income on food than the wealthy" stuff and guess what will happen? Certain "essential" things will be taxed at a lower rate or not taxed at all and the government is what determines what are "essential" things. You can guess what kinds of crap would be pulled in such a situation. The flat tax has the lowest probability of being a behavior tax as the entire premise of a flat tax is "pay X percent of income, no deductions." The only goofiness that can be pulled there is what is considered income. Judging by the current income tax there is some crap that can be pulled but much, much less than either of the other methods.

The "poor" will have more money in their pocket with the elimination of the income tax. So, proportionately it should balance out.

The poor will have less money in their pocket if the existing income tax is eliminated even though they don't pay any federal income tax. The Earned Income Tax Credit and other "refundable" credits results in more money being refunded than was withheld. Just having them pay zero tax and not getting the extra credits would be less money in their pockets compared to now. If you wondered how the country got so screwed up, this is a good example.

The poor will have nothing ever with the Republicans leading the way.That is their want in life.Screw the RICH!

Dang it, he figured out the secret Republican plan!

- Seize bums' shopping carts and their bag of aluminum cans and give them to Dick Cheney and the Koch Brothers.
- Make Granny eat dog food and then push her off the cliff. Wait, just push her off as why would you waste money feeding her dog food if you are just going to push her off the cliff?
- Only tax people earning under $250,000 per year and give all of that tax money to those earning over $250k/year
- Replace the Statue of Liberty with a Jesus statue
- Mandate that all companies outsource all non-executive jobs to India, China, or Uzbekistan. Also all companies are required to pay their CEO at least $10 billion per year.
- Declare war against every country in the world, and for good measure nuke Mars and Venus too. Oh, don't forget, nuke Uranus as well as it has a stupid name. Uranus...pfffft.
- Mandate that everybody has to drive a Hummer that burns oil made from clubbed baby seals.
- Mandate that all women must be barefoot and pregnant in a kitchen at all times. Oh and nobody can teach women to read, we don't want them getting all uppity instead of having them making me a sandwich!
- Have ExxonMobile, BP, and Halliburton round up all minorities, gays, lesbians, Democrats, Communists, AGW supporters, atheists, Muslims, Europeans, environmentalists, and intellectuals and turn them into Soylent Green.

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

You forgot one:
Mandate everyone needs to own and carry a gun.
If they refuse, ask the star of the movie, and just try to pry it from his hands, and do it like in the movies

 

[musical marv]

You forgot one:
Mandate everyone needs to own and carry a gun.
If they refuse, ask the star of the movie, and just try to pry it from his hands, and do it like in the movies

What the hell is so funny about guns in your mind? This is a cancer that is spreading rapidly.What if one of your kids get shot in school or anywhere how would you feel about guns than!When it hits home it is the hardest than remember that.The movie industry has to be regulated with all the violence coming out today. Killings and more murders they show and more violence and filthy language is being used. It is disgusting!Especially Weinstein Productions.

 

[MU_Engineer]

You forgot one:
Mandate everyone needs to own and carry a gun.
If they refuse, ask the star of the movie, and just try to pry it from his hands, and do it like in the movies

Sonofagun, I forgot the guns. Masters Rove, Limbaugh, and Beck are going to be much displeased at my omissions. I guess that earns me another round at the re-education camp...

What the hell is so funny about guns in your mind? This is a cancer that is spreading rapidly.What if one of your kids get shot in school or anywhere how would you feel about guns than!When it hits home it is the hardest than remember that.The movie industry has to be regulated with all the violence coming out today. Killings and more murders they show and more violence and filthy language is being used. It is disgusting!Especially Weinstein Productions.

Firearms are not a cancer. They are tools, period, just like a crowbar, hammer, drill, screwdriver, machete, baseball bat, wrench, black iron pipe, rope, propane tank, fertilizer, or automobile. All have been used to kill people and all have legitimate uses. There are so many different ways to kill people that it's not even funny- take that from a person who works at a hospital and sees these folks on a regular basis. There is absolutely NO way to prevent somebody else from harming other people with laws because 1) criminals ignore laws and 2) you can kill somebody with nothing but your bare hands and feet using several methods, let alone any tool or implement. Should we cut off everybody's hands and feet because in the last month I saw people come into the hospital where I work dead from blunt cardiac trauma from being stomped in the chest repeatedly or from asphyxiation from being choked with bare hands?

The regulation of the movie industry is an idiotic holdover from one of the Great Awakenings in the 1900s-1910s that also idiotically banned alcohol and cannabis. (Hey, something that the leftists can agree me on!) Real life is MUCH more brutal than the movies. Work in a big city emergency department for a few months and you'll see, especially if you see a good deal of immigrants. "Oh, this limb got blown off/cut off by a government soldier before I became a refugee" is a very common piece of past medical history if you treat very many Africans. The worst stuff that has happened was at the hand of governments. The government militias in Africa pouring hot oil and acid on opponents and hacking off limbs. The well-known and reprehensible actions of the Nazis in concentration camps. And last but not least the lesser-known but very incredible evil of the Japanese during the 1930s and 1940s against the Chinese and WWII POWs. Read about the Massacre of Nanking and Unit 731 if you really want to not sleep very well tonight. Movies don't hold a candle to that, even the worst of the slasher films. You know they are fake, but what happened in those examples I gave are 100% real.

 

[riser]

So wait, if you make < ~100k, you pay payroll tax on 100% of your wages. If you make more then that, your tax load drops significantly. How is THAT fair? Its a walking tax loophole.

If the payroll tax is 2%, make it apply to ALL wages, not just the first $100k or so. You fix SS's fundunding shortfall instantly, without increasing taxes on those making less then $100k or so. Thats about as fair as you can possibly get.

Everyone gets the same amount. You pay into the system, you get your fair share out. If you make $500k a year, you don't get more than someone making $100k a year. Everyone pays in, everyone gets something out, otherwise the system wouldn't be fair.

Remember, when these laws were made they were trying to make fair laws, not class warfare based laws.

 

[musical marv]

Everyone gets the same amount. You pay into the system, you get your fair share out. If you make $500k a year, you don't get more than someone making $100k a year. Everyone pays in, everyone gets something out, otherwise the system wouldn't be fair.

Remember, when these laws were made they were trying to make fair laws, not class warfare based laws.

I think this very justifiable indeed what you posted here.No special privileges .