News Spanish retailer lists RX 9070 and RX 9070 XT GPUs, though the prices might be mere placeholders — RX 9070 for $912 and RX 9070 XT for $1,097

[Warrior24_7]

Please link the $700 4090! Bet you can't because you're talking out your a$$!

https://www.mercari.com/us/item/m18...LBux0MrSd-HqF311CmTA9L0Dw-7rtCwxoCUQUQAvD_BwE

You got anything else to say?

 

[Warrior24_7]

I seriously doubt there’s gonna be a 9070 for €1200, that is the price for a 5080 FE listed on Nvidia’s website.

It’ll cost as much if not more than an RTX 5070! If not, AMD won’t make any money. At that price point it’s not worth it.

 

[drivinfast247]

https://www.mercari.com/us/item/m18...LBux0MrSd-HqF311CmTA9L0Dw-7rtCwxoCUQUQAvD_BwE

You got anything else to say?

LMAO Dude finds ONE that's used and with only a 99% chance it's a scam. And he says prices are plummeting. 🤡

How about this. You buy that 4090 you linked. Receive it. Test it. And I'll buy it off you for $1000. Easiest $300 bucks you'll ever make.

 

[Warrior24_7]

LMAO Dude finds ONE that's used and with only a 99% chance it's a scam. And he says prices are plummeting. 🤡

How about this. You buy that 4090 you linked. Receive it. Test it. And I'll buy it off you for $1000. Easiest $300 bucks you'll ever make.

Don’t give me that garbage!😂🫵🤡 those are the prices between $700.$1,000+. As soon as the 50 series officially drops, prices will fall even more. Why buy it when you can get a $549 card that faster, or the 5070Ti/5080/5090? You make no sense.

 

[drivinfast247]

Don’t give me that garbage!😂🫵🤡 those are the prices between $700.$1,000+. As soon as the 50 series officially drops, prices will fall even more. Why buy it when you can get a $549 card that faster, or the 5070Ti/5080/5090? You make no sense.

It's funny that you honestly think the $549 5070 is going to be more powerful than a 4090. Is this your first GPU launch?

And I'm still waiting for that link to a legit, brand new 4090 for $700.

 

[bit_user]

The only thing combative is the visceral attack on Tom’s Hardware and anybody else shocked about what’s being reported. Whining about adding or subtracting VAT is irrelevant and a way to divert attention away from what’s essentially a $750-$900 card, period!

I'm not trying to divert anything! I make tons of corrections on errors and sloppiness in their articles, without regard for the article's subject, always with the hope that an author or editor will see my feedback and do better, next time. Occasionally, they actually do.

Also, I disagree than a 21% markup is "irrelevant". At approximately $1000, that's about a $200 difference. I doubt anyone here would call that irrelevant. If it were 2.1%, I wouldn't have bothered saying anything, but I certainly don't consider 21% irrelevant.

That’s NOT competitive when you can get better cards in the RTX 5070/5070Ti the RTX 4080S/4090 at the same price or cheaper!

This is all highly speculative. As pointed out in by jlake3 and myself, VideoCardz found another leak with far lower prices. I had included that link in my previous reply to you. If you're not willing to consider all of the available information, then we cannot have a serious conversation.

However, I'd add that I also try to avoid getting in debates about highly-speculative information, because the information could turn out to be wrong and then all that energy was expended over nothing.

The 4090’s prices just tanked and are going for a little over $700!

I'm really going to need you to provide a source on this. Currently, Newegg's cheapest new RTX 4090 is selling for $3183, by a 3rd party seller. Newegg has no new, in stock RTX 4090's for sale by them. The cheapest one in stock on Amazon is $2760.

Ebay sold listings is the only place I see prices like you mention, but those are all being sold out of China or Hong Kong, which seems mighty suspicious. We've previously read about all sorts of tricks, like where cards are having heatsinks swapped and being sold as something different than they are, which is what I'd guess is going on with that.

 

[bit_user]

https://www.mercari.com/us/item/m18...LBux0MrSd-HqF311CmTA9L0Dw-7rtCwxoCUQUQAvD_BwE

You got anything else to say?

In spite of being posted last October, the listing seems to show 0 sales and lots of comments requesting more info (serial numbers, etc.) which the seller hasn't replied to.

I agree with the comments on that listing, that it's likely a scam. I think you should be more skeptical of the information you find on the internet and not just believe everything that aligns with your point of view.

A $700 RTX 4090 doesn't make sense. The new GPUs aren't that much better that prices would fall so much. A lot of successful scams prey on people's greed, which I think this is an example of.

https://www.techspot.com/news/103700-incredibly-detailed-scam-relabels-rtx-3080-tis-rtx.html

https://www.reddit.com/r/PcBuild/comments/144e4nt/4090_for_650_legit_fbmp/

 

[Warrior24_7]

LMAO Dude finds ONE that's used and with only a 99% chance it's a scam. And he says prices are plummeting. 🤡

How about this. You buy that 4090 you linked. Receive it. Test it. And I'll buy it off you for $1000. Easiest $300 bucks you'll ever make.

In spite of being posted last October, the listing seems to show 0 sales and lots of comments requesting more info (serial numbers, etc.) which the seller hasn't replied to.

I agree with the comments on that listing, that it's likely a scam. I think you should be more skeptical of the information you find on the internet and not just believe everything that aligns with your point of view.

A $700 RTX 4090 doesn't make sense. The new GPUs aren't that much better that prices would fall so much. A lot of successful scams prey on people's greed, which I think this is an example of.

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https://www.techspot.com/news/103700-incredibly-detailed-scam-relabels-rtx-3080-tis-rtx.html​

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https://www.reddit.com/r/PcBuild/comments/144e4nt/4090_for_650_legit_fbmp/

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I'm not trying to divert anything! I make tons of corrections on errors and sloppiness in their articles, without regard for the article's subject, always with the hope that an author or editor will see my feedback and do better, next time. Occasionally, they actually do.

Also, I disagree than a 21% markup is "irrelevant". At approximately $1000, that's about a $200 difference. I doubt anyone here would call that irrelevant. If it were 2.1%, I wouldn't have bothered saying anything, but I certainly don't consider 21% irrelevant.


This is all highly speculative. As pointed out in by jlake3 and myself, VideoCardz found another leak with far lower prices. I had included that link in my previous reply to you. If you're not willing to consider all of the available information, then we cannot have a serious conversation.

However, I'd add that I also try to avoid getting in debates about highly-speculative information, because the information could turn out to be wrong and then all that energy was expended over nothing.


I'm really going to need you to provide a source on this. Currently, Newegg's cheapest new RTX 4090 is selling for $3183, by a 3rd party seller. Newegg has no new, in stock RTX 4090's for sale by them. The cheapest one in stock on Amazon is $2760.

Ebay sold listings is the only place I see prices like you mention, but those are all being sold out of China or Hong Kong, which seems mighty suspicious. We've previously read about all sorts of tricks, like where cards are having heatsinks swapped and being sold as something different than they are, which is what I'd guess is going on with that.

First off, AMD stated all performance leaks were wrong. They also refused to release any performance benchmarks and pricing information. That kind of attitude suggests that the card is not competitive at this point, and they know it! So getting bent out of shape and attacking the site over a pricing leak was a bit much. Especially since they said it was most likely place holder pricing. You were upset that they didn’t remove the VAT pricing in the dollar conversion. Making the card seem more expensive. But you didn’t add the U.S. tax yourself. Which makes the card more expensive. So I don’t see the complaint. The 5070 is a $600+ card! It’s irrelevant because the cards aren’t on sale, and the pricing may change. It just gave a ballpark figure on the potential cost. Those prices make the card uncompetitive.

We kind of know what the midrange price should be by what we already know. The RX 9070 is a midrange card. Intel B580 is $250 and the RTX 5070 is $549. The 5070 is reported to be faster than the 4090. The RX 9070 isn’t reported to be that fast. So it should be between those two price points. If it’s higher than $549, then it’s in trouble. The performance IS NOT reported to be better than a 4090. Then there is DLSS 4. It’s better than FSR 4. Yet another compelling reason to buy the Nvidia card.

As far paying for a used 4090, that’s what they’re going for. Nobody had a problem with this before. That’s one link. They’re obviously more. As far as getting scammed is concerned, who’s stupid enough to pay $2,700-$3,183 for a 4090? Who just got scammed? Newegg and Amazon are reputable sites too! So you can be taken advantage of buying online from anyone! The bottom line here is that used 4090’s make more sense than paying those prices for a new one right now. People are selling their cards so they can upgrade. As far as the new Nvidia GPU’s not being that much better than their last gen counterparts is not what’s being reported. They’re almost doubling the performance.

 

[bit_user]

So getting bent out of shape and attacking the site over a pricing leak was a bit much.

It wasn't an attack, it was a correction. My correction is factually accurate and it's the type of correction I post all the time. I'm definitely not getting "bent out of shape".

Especially since they said it was most likely place holder pricing.

They bothered to report on it, in spite of that. If they choose to report on something, then they should do it properly. They converted to US prices, but they did it in a misleading way. I think that's worthy of a correction. @JarredWaltonGPU can be the judge of that.

But you didn’t add the U.S. tax yourself.

There's no such thing as "U.S. tax", because the only sales taxes we have in the USA are on a per-state basis (charged based on the location of the customer). So, all prices listed on US websites are without tax.

When someone takes a non-US price and converts it to US, the expectation is that the US price wouldn't have the foreign country's tax still applied. That makes zero sense.

As far paying for a used 4090, that’s what they’re going for.

The only thing that matters here is new vs. new. With full warranty and reputable seller. Used prices are irrelevant.

However, even if we're talking used, that $700 figure is wildly off. Here are the last 10 sold ebay listings of used RTX 4090's, with a US-based seller. All sales ended today (Jan 12). There were a further 10 which also sold today, but their prices are all in the same ballpark.

Final Price	Link
$1750	PNY GeForce RTX 4090 24GB XLR8 GAMING VERTO EPIC-X RGB OVERCLOCKED VIDEO CARD | eBay With DisplayPort and HDMI connectors, it supports multiple monitors, is G-SYNC/FreeSync compatible, and VR ready. 1 x PNY RTX 4090 GPU in original box. It was very lightly used for less than six months - never overclocked beyond out of box frequencies. www.ebay.com
$2000	ASUS ROG Strix GeForce RTX 4090 24GB GDDR6X White OC Edition Gaming Graphics... | eBay Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for ASUS ROG Strix GeForce RTX 4090 24GB GDDR6X White OC Edition Gaming Graphics... at the best online prices at eBay! Free shipping for many products! www.ebay.com
$1525	GIGABYTE NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090 GAMING OC 24G 24GB GDDR6X Graphics Card - GV-N4090GAMING OC-24GD for sale online | eBay Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for GIGABYTE NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090 GAMING OC 24G 24GB GDDR6X Graphics Card - GV-N4090GAMING OC-24GD at the best online prices at eBay! Free shipping for many products! www.ebay.com
$1450	USED GIGABYTE GeForce RTX 4090 GAMING OC 24GB GDDR6X Graphics Card | eBay For sale is alightly used Gigabyte RTX 4090 24GB Gaming OC Desktop Graphics Card. www.ebay.com
$1750	GeForce RTX 4090 MSI SUPRIM LIQUID X 24G GDDR6X Graphics Card | eBay I am the original owner of the card. It is still under warranty (over 20 months left) with the invoice available. www.ebay.com
$1860	NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090 FE Founders Edition - excellent with retail box | eBay Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090 FE Founders Edition - excellent with retail box at the best online prices at eBay! Free shipping for many products! www.ebay.com
$1800	NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090 Founders Edition (FE) 24GB - All Original Packaging | eBay Used for light gaming. www.ebay.com
$2000	ASUS ROG Strix GeForce RTX 4090 OC 24GB GDDR6X Graphics Card | eBay <p>The card was used for gaming and work (not mining), customer service from home. Bought on 2/1/2023, has warranty until 1/29/2026. </p><p> </p><br /><p>Model: ROG-STRIX-RTX4090-024G-GAMING</p> www.ebay.com
$1800	NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090 Founders Edition (FE) 24GB | eBay This card is designed for multiple monitor support, has a small form factor, and is G-SYNC/FreeSync compatible. www.ebay.com
$1700	GIGABYTE NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090 GAMING OC 24G 24GB GDDR6X GPU - Under Warranty | eBay <p>Great condition,</p><br /><p>Under warranty till 2026</p><br /><p>Will be shipped in generic box and insured</p><br /><p>With 12v connector and sag bracket</p> www.ebay.com

Nobody had a problem with this before. That’s one link. They’re obviously more. As far as getting scammed is concerned, who’s stupid enough to pay $2,700-$3,183 for a 4090?

This confirms for me that you're not being serious and fact-based. You haven't shown that a credible alternative exists to paying those sorts of prices, if someone wants to get a legit RTX 4090 GPU (new). On that basis, I think we have nothing further to discuss.

As far as the new Nvidia GPU’s not being that much better than their last gen counterparts is not what’s being reported. They’re almost doubling the performance.

This figure is accounting for the boost provided by DLSS4. Without that, they seem to be around 27% to 43% faster, but that's just based on what data Nvidia has provided. We'll have to wait for more.

 

[JarredWaltonGPU]

They bothered to report on it, in spite of that. If they choose to report on something, then they should do it properly. They converted to US prices, but they did it in a misleading way. I think that's worthy of a correction. @JarredWaltonGPU can be the judge of that.

So, the weekend news, particularly after CES, can be a bit of a mess. I would say the "might" bit in the headline is totally unnecessary. These GPU prices are not even remotely indicative of actual MSRPs in my opinion. It's probably just some shop putting up listings with made up prices — because hey, maybe someone will preorder!

Realistically, if the 9070 XT can match the RTX 5070 Ti (which is a massive stretch), that's the best-case scenario for AMD. It could maybe charge $599 and get some uptake. Because even if it's at performance parity, I expect DLSS 4 plus DLSS Transformer upscaling will make the 5070 Ti superior.

More likely is that the 9070 XT can only match the vanilla 5070 on performance, but with more VRAM. So basically I'm expecting a $499 or lower launch price, and the 9070 (depending on specs) will come in below that. I could be wrong, AMD has said nothing officially, but all indications are that RDNA4 will be mainstream and below, and so nothing in the $999 price range is remotely feasible.

At this point, the article is two days old, not getting much traffic (really, total views are very low), and rather than trying to "fix" what was clearly speculation and merely reporting on an early listing of price, I'm inclined to let it just die. Maybe if the original headline and reporting had been better, it would have done more traffic, but now? 🤷‍♂️

 

[bit_user]

Thanks, @JarredWaltonGPU !

What's your take on that wild $700 RTX 4090 pricing? Do you think they're just rebadging other GPUs, or might these arrive with a gaping hole where the actual GPU should be (i.e. because somebody transplanted it onto a RTX 4090D card and didn't bother to do the second half of the transplant)?

Either way no credible seller is anywhere close to that, so I'm 100% certain it's some kind of scam.

 

[JarredWaltonGPU]

Thanks, @JarredWaltonGPU !

What's your take on that wild $700 RTX 4090 pricing? Do you think they're just rebadging other GPUs, or might these arrive with a gaping hole where the actual GPU should be (i.e. because somebody transplanted it onto a RTX 4090D card and didn't bother to do the second half of the transplant)?

Either way no credible seller is anywhere close to that, so I'm 100% certain it's some kind of scam.

Oh yeah, RTX 4090 at anything below $1500 is basically guaranteed a scam right now. Okay, maybe you could find a used one that's legit for like $1200, but I'd be VERY cautious. eBay is full of scammers and BS these days and I absolutely wouldn't trust them, though I will say that as a buyer you're usually safer than as a seller.

(I've seen 100% obviously scams as a seller, for myself or people I know, that required a big fight with eBay and still didn't always get resolved. My brother sold a nice road bike frame for something like $700. The buyer said "item not as described" and requested a refund. Sent back a box of rocks and junk. It took something like two months to get it resolved, and obviously it was eBay trying not to have to pay out for its own mistake. It refunds the money to people way too early and easily!)

eBay says 622 were sold in the past month with an average price of $1520, though, and I wouldn't expect to pay much less than that. There are a bunch of clear bogus listings, as well as broken cards, selling for under $1000. Anyone with fewer than 20 eBay feedback notes selling a 4090 is probably a big fat liar. And there are a LOT of those!

 

[bit_user]

as a buyer you're usually safer than as a seller.

(I've seen 100% obviously scams as a seller, for myself or people I know, that required a big fight with eBay and still didn't always get resolved. My brother sold a nice road bike frame for something like $700. The buyer said "item not as described" and requested a refund. Sent back a box of rocks and junk. It took something like two months to get it resolved, and obviously it was eBay trying not to have to pay out for its own mistake. It refunds the money to people way too early and easily!)

100% agree. Back in like 2001, I used an online escrow service to mediate a sale on a hi-fi website's classified ad section. It was so long ago that I forget the details, but it seemed like the way to go.

Ebay can afford to abuse sellers, because they have such a lock on the online auctions market. The only way it really gets better is if there are laws introduced to provide better seller protections. The other ways ebay really punishes sellers is with their fees. I sold a Radeon VII, back in 2022, and was a bit surprised at how much the fees were.

 

[JarredWaltonGPU]

100% agree. Back in like 2001, I used an online escrow service to mediate a sale on a hi-fi website's classified ad section. It was so long ago that I forget the details, but it seemed like the way to go.

Ebay can afford to abuse sellers, because they have such a lock on the online auctions market. The only way it really gets better is if there are laws introduced to provide better seller protections. The other ways ebay really punishes sellers is with their fees. I sold a Radeon VII, back in 2022, and was a bit surprised at how much the fees were.

It used to be 10% for eBay and 4% for PayPal. Now it's 14% for eBay, because it just owns PayPal.